Report: Up To 2,000 Feared Slaughtered After Islamists Burn Down Entire Nigerian Town For 'Allah'

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Just to clarify a few points about true christians.

Things like the sabeth
Wearing cloths of two material
The capital punishment of sinners
The invasion of non belivers land


These were old testement things mostly covered in the mosaic lae

When jesus came to to eartn those points were cast away. The idea being they were obsolete.
They werd only needed to estabalish the nation of isreal and keep it healthy and in one piece in a brutal time.


Jesus and his disciples were pretty clear the only laws were:
Love god
Love your neigbour
No idolatry
No blasphermy
No murder
No stealing
No lying
No fornication/adultary
No gambling
No spiritism
No alcoholism (yes to drink just not abuse of drink)
And to hate violence
No exstortion
No blackmail

Pretty straightforward and apart from the fornication bit that some view as strict the world you have to admit would be a better place for following them.

The old testement though mostly obsolete was kept around as jesus quoted a lot from it and it contained prophecys, the standards of living a rules though were surplanted.

As for this massacre in Africa, how long will the governments of this world put up with this level of violence, a time will come when they make a move internationally to curb this level of brutality.

Off topic but people who say Jesus wasn't a Christian, don't seem to understand history, he was the very first Christian, and was a Jew too. Making him the first Christian Jew, Jewish is linage, Judaism is the religion, which he adhered to until his baptism. Then he began to break with the old Mosaic law, from 29AD to 36 AD there was only Jewish Christians.
Then in 36AD an Italian officer was allowed to become the first gentile Christian opening the way for all races and religions to convert to Christianity. Culturally many things carried over from the Mosaic law, but actually were not required anymore, circumcision is a good example. It was still being done amongst Christian males in high numbers in the 20th century.

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a reply to: silo13

well if the un wants to play their global peace keeper roll why don't they send in their blue helmets to protect te innocents from these and i believe this is right term brigands which i think mean burners of towns.

in Chechnya, the so-called "Islamic" terrorists Wahhabis killed and the Muslims goyims and the Christians goyims for money west wiped ass pages from the Koran

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: butcherguy

So what Quran* is Boko Haram reading?

An interesting quote, I see you can use google image search, impressive. I also see you understand how to selectively pick qoutes from a book with thousands of pages that fit your message. You are skilled at the "give no context to properly convey meaning so you can make up your own with a misleading rhetorical question" method of persuasive arguement, I'll give you that.
I want to see if you are willing to use these skills on the google image search to answer ...

Is this to say muhammad (or allah) never once condones violent behavior in any passage of the koran?
does the word innocent mean the same thing to me now that it did to the prophet (or allah) at the time of this qoute?
Does Mohammed (or allah) consider non-believers to be innocent?
what does Mohhammed say to do to those who aren't innocent?
what does he say of infidels?
who are they and what are his thoughts on appropriate ways of dealing with them?

a reply to: dr1234

Being a Muslim I knew the verse, paraphrased & full, without google search...


Your questions are idiotic and have been dealt with numerous times in this thread.


Bother someone else.

a reply to: Bilk22

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: silo13

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Oh yeah Boko Harum.

Thanks so much - off to read and get a better idea about something I wish I didn't need to know.

Peace

It may not be right, but if one wasp stings my child; I feverishly take out every nest I find in my home. I don't mind if the live in the woods. I won't even bother their nest if I get stung in their neck of the woods. This is an unjust world we tread trough.

On the flip side of that statement... I envision a world where I have a Jew living to the right, a Muslim living to the left, and my self in the middle house and we spend weekends barbecuing, horse shoes, and sharing each others world view with understanding and love.

Religion is not a bad thing IMO. Religion has got me trough dark times in my life. Truth is not as important as having a meaning/purpose in life. The problem is when someone thinks that their view is the only way/truth. This view can breed extremism. Maybe I am not a true believer in Jesus because I am open to all opinions and don't cement my belief in blind faith.

my favorite part of Christianity is that we are instructed to test the spirit, evaluate the results, and formulate an opinion based on the results.

When I give my last dollar to the needy I discover 10 fold check in my mail box from "God" knows where or how. Beats me but it works often. Your guess is as good as mine why.

The best religion IMO is one where you only correct your self, never infringe on another.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Just to clarify a few points about true christians.

Things like the sabeth
Wearing cloths of two material
The capital punishment of sinners
The invasion of non belivers land


These were old testement things mostly covered in the mosaic lae

When jesus came to to eartn those points were cast away. The idea being they were obsolete.
They werd only needed to estabalish the nation of isreal and keep it healthy and in one piece in a brutal time.


Jesus and his disciples were pretty clear the only laws were:
Love god
Love your neigbour
No idolatry
No blasphermy
No murder
No stealing
No lying
No fornication/adultary
No gambling
No spiritism
No alcoholism (yes to drink just not abuse of drink)
And to hate violence
No exstortion
No blackmail

Pretty straightforward and apart from the fornication bit that some view as strict the world you have to admit would be a better place for following them.

The old testement though mostly obsolete was kept around as jesus quoted a lot from it and it contained prophecys, the standards of living a rules though were surplanted.

Where did Jesus say the old testament was obsolete and irrelevant?

Matthew 5:17-19 "Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For truly I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least of these commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

We don't have a religion problem, we have a hate problem here.

I actually don't think there is any hope for humanity.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Vasa Croe



Is there violence in the Quran?

Only in self defence!

I disagree, Muslims selectively interpret the Quran to prove that collateral damage is entirely acceptable if it accomplishes the military goal of spreading Islamic rule.

Not self defence.

After capturing Mecca (WAR campaign) the prophet ordered the execution of two “singing girls” who had mocked him in verse:

“…two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819)

Is 'hurting my feelings' considered grounds for a self defence killing order?


The following is also a justification for murder in the name of a tribal faction wanting to rule greater lands under the guise of a religious justification.

" [Muhammad said] “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah. Do not be deceitful with the spoils; do not be treacherous, nor mutilate nor kill children.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992)"

That CANNOT be described as self defence even if he says be nice to the kiddies.

I believe somewhere the invading muslim horde under Mohamed and his GENERALS even cut the heads off all the males in a town with the boys having to pull down their pants to see if they had even one pubic hair.

No that is genocide not self defence.

I understand it is very very very hard to question that tenant of faith in which you dwell, but it is healthier for your mind if you face with reality what was done historically and what was said to justify the binding of a people to a rule. Islam attacked in order to grow economically in regions that did not belong to them, nothing whatsoever to do with a defensive position of an existing infrastructure.

I tend to not go in and attack Islam in threads, I do read a lot of history on religions, well history on anything really, but I do shake my head when I see someone who reads so much like yourself make a statement that really just isn't true.

Under Mohamed Islam was an attacking force, converting regions to a Islamic state.
In no way can attack and occupation be argued as SELF FRICKING DEFENCE.


You have to live with your justifications, I don't, I will sleep another night in peace not believing silly old stories that bind me to a a collective founded on invasion and conversion.

Since America is bombing countries in the name of Democracy. Maybe Democracy itself should be banned. According to the logic of certain folks here considering Islam.

a reply to: maddy21

Well few actually believe that though, and don't follow blindly "we are doing it for democracy". We are cognicent enough to know that economics is the driver.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: butcherguy

So what Quran* is Boko Haram reading?

Can a non-Muslim be an innocent? I'm just asking to try and figure this all out. We have a wide range of suicide bombers of women and children in markets as a favorite spot to do it, Muslim against Muslim. We have isis marching though whole towns raping the women, killing all the males, stomping male babies etc, we have what is pure evil going on in Africa, we have 2 Muslim guys kill a lot of people just sitting at their desks, we have many that want Sharia law that imposes the death sentence for many offences, instead of any form of repentance etc.

How does all this all align with your passage above?

As long as the existence I and my family experience, there is hope for humanity. Maybe we are of the fortunate. I watch the sun rise, my children pay. This is utopia. This is what we live for. Tragedy comes to us all at some point. If we keep tinkering with existence via laws and rule, there will one day be no humanity.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
I actually don't think there is any hope for humanity.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Let's just hope an extremist Christian faction doesn't start up any time soon. Lord knows there are an awful lot of heinous stuff they could pull from the Bible to start doing to people. Would it matter to them that Jesus says to be kind to one another? Not when there is so much violence promoted elsewhere in the book.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

But he wasn't called a Christian. To me, a Christian is someone who follows His teachings and believes in Him and the events surrounding Him.

Did Buddha call himself Buddhist?

It just seems to me that those who originated religions named after them didn't necessarily identify themselves as belonging to that religious practice being the well spring of it. So does it indicate anywhere that Jesus said, "I am Christian?"

Maybe others were already thinking this way while he was alive, but did he think of himself that way? I sort of doubt it.

I don't think you will ever again see a suicide bomber Christian extremist. It just doesn't fit the bill.
a reply to: kaylaluv