Are alien abductions still happening?

originally posted by: simplesurfer
a reply to: skunkape23
From what I understand its only the greys which can no longer enter
into our atmosphere, others probably still visit and try not to interfere,
although I wish they would..we need all the help we can get.

How did you acquire this understanding?

a reply to: Tangerine
What understanding are you speaking of?
I have no understanding of these experiences.
Maybe you meant to ask that question to Simplesurfer.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: Bluesma
I never could make sense of it, and cannot today.

So, I'm confused, I guess.

Were you abducted by aliens, or did you have an nonsensical event?

I had many experiences, one with a daytime and up close sighting of something commonly referred to as a saucer type UFO, a period of missing time when a super bright light came upon my husband and I while driving in the night, then a series of typical abduction type experiences; in some I was paralyzed and taken from my bed, with my baby son, some were experiences of being explained a genetic program and their history with our evolution, and being introduced to my "children" that were hybrids. My husband and son both remembered being taken by the same beings (the typical "grey" description) and my two year old explained to me how they "made" him, by cutting eggs (when they took him up in their "car that flies".

We had a strange experience with two people that seemed to be government agents, while on vacation in the US after much of this, and another period of missing time for the whole family on that same trip.

I never had any hypnosis done, and my memories are as clear as any other event in my life (none of that foggy vague stuff they do in movies on the subject).

Sense? Well, I just don't buy the alien theory 100%. Our own government has the means to create false memories already, as well as paralysis, and upon being contacted by someone who was doing research on the phenomenon, who told me he was finding a link between people who have these experiences and their parents or grandparents being part of earlier military experiments, I looked into my own family and found out both my maternal and paternal grandfathers were working at Los Alamos at the same time. One grandfather claimed he was part of important experiments there- the other wouldn't talk about it, but came out rather "wierd" with a belief in things like telepathy and other psychic phenomenon.

So there if the theory also, that the offspring of people experimented on at that time are still being watched and followed up on, to see what kind of genetic effects might be passed on as a result- covering their interventions with extremely realistic false memories.

There are more possible explainations I can list for these experiences... so I won't settle for any of them for now. I don't know. That in itself was troubling to embrace, because fo the realness of the memories, that means ANYTHING I think I have experienced in my life might not have happened. I might not be writing on this computer right now. This might be a dream. I just came to accept that fact- I don't know anything. I just deal with what is in front of me and don't worry about whether it is "real" or not.

originally posted by: Bluesma

Perhaps "want" was the wrong word in my original post in this thread, but certainly people see what they expect to see.

Is this an ongoing phenomenon, or has it ceased?

Have you ever gained any testable knowledge from your encounters?

originally posted by: TheArrow

Is this an ongoing phenomenon, or has it ceased?

It has ceased. Since about the year 2000.

Have you ever gained any testable knowledge from your encounters?

Testable, for others, I guess not. It was, however, an experience that I feel stimulated a spiritual evolution for me, with perception that radically changed my life.

I have seen some people place two theories opposite each other- that there are some ET's using us for genetic engineering (or some other usage) and their influence in a spiritual "awakening".
On that, I do not feel the two concepts are opposing- an experience that is "negative" can also have a beneficial effect. We often grown as a result of bad experiences, so... whatever.

I don't want to think about it anymore.

originally posted by: skunkape23
a reply to: Tangerine
What understanding are you speaking of?
I have no understanding of these experiences.
Maybe you meant to ask that question to Simplesurfer.

You're right. My mistake.

a reply to: Bluesma

You've had some very interesting experiences and I applaud you for keeping an open mind about the nature of those experiences.

I suspect that literalists tend to latch onto the ET abduction theory because it is a clean, simple explanation (not because it's based on any actual evidence) and, also, because it is heavily promoted. One has to wonder why it is so heavily promoted and whether the promotion is a spontaneous cultural artifact or whether a sophisticated effort is being made by unknown parties to promote it.

You've already mentioned Jung's theories of the unconcious as a possible explanation as well as government programs. I think both bear scrutiny. Certainly, the government is capable of such a program on all fronts (promotion, abduction, and implantation of false memories). However,this does not explain why similar stories involving abduction by faeries existed long before any government had this capability. I suspect that several things are going on simultaneously.

Our understanding of the paranormal is very limited and worth exploring. Sadly, the literalists are at work in promoting their simplistic interpretations there, too.

I'd just like to add that it's well and good for the armchair rationalist to blow off this whole subject as lonely cat ladies looking to get probed... as that's the safe, usual, rational take. Agreed.

However, if one really looks at the data and (much) more importantly, meets an 'experiencer' in person who seems completely rational and had no prior expectations to trick their minds regarding this ...whatever it is... then they'd likely be more open to the idea of something extremely peculiar indeed happening.

I have no idea what it really is... and who or what is ultimately responsible... but I've been forced to consider the possibility, even likelihood, of it happening as commonly reported. And of course have my best guesses about it.

Heck, I've seen what looked like unknown tech in the sky myself and been close to some folks having this experience... and I know for a fact they are not playing games or are poor witnesses... quite the opposite. Weird things DO happen on this planet... to some folks, anyway.

We do not know everything... in fact, I'd venture we don't know much... at all.

originally posted by: Baddogma
I'd just like to add that it's well and good for the armchair rationalist to blow off this whole subject as lonely cat ladies looking to get probed... as that's the safe, usual, rational take. Agreed.

However, if one really looks at the data and (much) more importantly, meets an 'experiencer' in person who seems completely rational and had no prior expectations to trick their minds regarding this ...whatever it is... then they'd likely be more open to the idea of something extremely peculiar indeed happening.

I have no idea what it really is... and who or what is ultimately responsible... but I've been forced to consider the possibility, even likelihood, of it happening as commonly reported. And of course have my best guesses about it.

Heck, I've seen what looked like unknown tech in the sky myself and been close to some folks having this experience... and I know for a fact they are not playing games or are poor witnesses... quite the opposite. Weird things DO happen on this planet... to some folks, anyway.

We do not know everything... in fact, I'd venture we don't know much... at all.

I would never make the misogynist claim that "lonely cat ladies (are) looking to get probed."

I've met several self-described experiencers and they didn't seem rational. One's son died decades after their "experience" and she's convinced it was because of the experience. Of course neither she nor her young child remembered any event at the time. It was only much later that she came up with the idea. When others pointed out that her story was virtually identical to something that happened in the film "Close Encounters", she claimed to not be familiar with the film. This woman is deeply involved in the abduction movement and we're supposed to believe she's not familiar with "Close Encounters"? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I think it's far more likely she was traumatized by the lingering illness and death of her son and somehow this belief helps her cope or his death sent her around the bend.

Another self-described experiencer had very clearly been heavily influenced by a woman I know who is involved with a major UFO organization. It was only after becoming friends with her that she "remembered" having been abducted repeatedly years ago. Rational? I think not.

Now that's not to say that there aren't any rational people who have had very strange experiences. I know some of them. I also know quite a few people who have a serious interest in UFOs. I would say a small percentage of them are rational, a small percentage are certifiable, and the rest are somewhere in-between with more leaning toward the irrational end.

The sincerity of someone's beliefs is no measure of how factual their accounts are.

a reply to: Bluesma

That's actually a surprise to me. You sound so very coherent and reasonable, I'd have guessed for sure you have a very different approach towards these abduction claims. Yet here we are, right, entertaining the possibilities humans experiment on humans without their agreement in our oh so free and humanistic new first world...

a reply to: Tangerine

Yes, the cat lady remark was an unfortunate attempt at levity, and emphatically yes to the fact that many of the people who are vocal about abduction seem less than rational... but I was just submitting that "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" may not be a good idea in this case (or in any cases of anything).

We are limited by our personal sphere of experience... I have experienced rational people who claim this has happened to them... and they were fully aware of how it sounded.

It doesn't mean the common theories are correct, or that the people were not hallucinating in some manner, it just means some people who's brains seem to work well have had the experience... whatever it really is.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Tangerine

Yes, the cat lady remark was an unfortunate attempt at levity, and emphatically yes to the fact that many of the people who are vocal about abduction seem less than rational... but I was just submitting that "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" may not be a good idea in this case (or in any cases of anything).

We are limited by our personal sphere of experience... I have experienced rational people who claim this has happened to them... and they were fully aware of how it sounded.

It doesn't mean the common theories are correct, or that the people were not hallucinating in some manner, it just means some people who's brains seem to work well have had the experience... whatever it really is.

I agree with everything you said. Yes, there are rational people who have had experiences they interpret as abduction by aliens just as there were people long ago who had experiences they interpreted as abduction by faeries. Because anything is possible, it is possible that they were abducted by faeries and aliens. However, the total lack of testable evidence proving that extraterrestrials exist and have even visited earth makes that likelihood small. Therefore, I suggest that we explore other possibilities without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. To me, the literalist approach seems the least likely avenue of exploration.

a reply to: Tangerine

very well said. Is it possible that aliens are always visiting earth and sometimes abducting people? Sure. After all, only a fool would believe we are alone in the entire universe. But since there is no good proof whatsoever of any alien craft visiting or people being abducted...then let's explore other possibilities. Exciting as the alien option is.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Tangerine

very well said. Is it possible that aliens are always visiting earth and sometimes abducting people? Sure. After all, only a fool would believe we are alone in the entire universe. But since there is no good proof whatsoever of any alien craft visiting or people being abducted...then let's explore other possibilities. Exciting as the alien option is.

The question then arises as to why many people don't want to consider other possibilities. For those who hold this position, would you tell us why?

a reply to: Tangerine

I think it's pretty simple. No proof. I'm an amateur astronomer and a graduate in physics....i DESPERATELY want aliens and ufos to be true. My only wish in life before i die is to see first contact.

But there is simply no proof. Not a shred of decent evidence. Not a single video that makes me question it. And the fact that ufo believers keep pushing blatantly fake footage doesnt help the cause.

In my 28 years of star gazing (im 38) I have seen flashing lights, fast moving dots and a few odd things. Just a handful mind..nothing that made me jump straight to the conclusion that its aliens.

And answer me this...If aliens are visiting and trying to keep a low profile the n why do they keep leaving the flashing lights outside their ships on...that's just silly.

I swear on my wife that i will change my mind and belive in a second....when I see good proof.

We are not alone in the universe. ..but we are alone in out little patch of space..For now at least

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
a reply to: Tangerine

I think it's pretty simple. No proof. I'm an amateur astronomer and a graduate in physics....i DESPERATELY want aliens and ufos to be true. My only wish in life before i die is to see first contact.

But there is simply no proof. Not a shred of decent evidence. Not a single video that makes me question it. And the fact that ufo believers keep pushing blatantly fake footage doesnt help the cause.

In my 28 years of star gazing (im 38) I have seen flashing lights, fast moving dots and a few odd things. Just a handful mind..nothing that made me jump straight to the conclusion that its aliens.

And answer me this...If aliens are visiting and trying to keep a low profile the n why do they keep leaving the flashing lights outside their ships on...that's just silly.

I swear on my wife that i will change my mind and belive in a second....when I see good proof.

We are not alone in the universe. ..but we are alone in out little patch of space..For now at least

I think you must be confusing me with someone else. I am not pushing the ET abduction agenda. I'm one of the people claiming that there is zero evidence supporting it.

a reply to: Tangerine

oops. Sorry mate.

originally posted by: skunkape23
a reply to: Tangerine
What understanding are you speaking of?
I have no understanding of these experiences.
Maybe you meant to ask that question to Simplesurfer.

you're correct. My apologies.

a reply to: droid56

You ask with such a gentle spirit that I can perhaps tell you what I know personally about this phenomena/experiment, but where to begin and to say in short version without a full novel being made in this post lol.

The experiments were difficult to bring to a successful blending of human and other, I say other when in fact it should be others.

For the planet that I may know of, those experiments were indeed a true success and the hybrids were lifted off planet to begin their higher education.

When an individual is chosen whether it is related to their DNA or other, the visitations and physical preparations begin in earnest at about age 3-4.

By the time they reach puberty the visitations take on a different role but by then the individual has been properly groomed for the meetings in ways that are psychologically, spiritually and physiologically a match.

For males it is during the time when his sperm is most viable. For females until the time just before menopause.

As far as placing names on the scientists working with humanity from off world, there are far too many to tag just one species as responsible for what you call abductions. For some, it is almost an offense to call these meetings abductions as the soul chooses the container prior to birth and it is a mutual agreement.

The mission once a success led to a decrease in new souls being born for the programs. It still continues today but in much smaller numbers, however the offspring and genetic matches still remain in the databases for future use.

I think it peaked in the 70s 80s and 90s and has slacked off somewhat. Imagine that the genetic samples that they've taken ( embryos/ eggs/sperm) have now grown to adulthood somewhere off planet and some can now be integrated into society to positions of influence and power. Banking, finance, science, politics, the military. I think their earth born human agents here have gotten older and haven't completely controlled the scene but now there's an entire new generation that will be groomed and placed to take over and will have the numbers to push their plans to fruition without risk or compromise. But mind you, these agents are not perfect human specimens. They're advanced, but they have weaknesses, particularly psychological.
We've seen reports of alien abduction decrease but UFO sightings have increased. And there are so many missing people, still. Look into " Missing 411". They have interviews on its author on Youtube.