Are alien abductions still happening?

originally posted by: Thorneblood
a reply to: droid56

Because a species that advanced would have advanced computers capable of extrapolating the necessary genetic code for any number of projects from a very small group of specimens. This is of course assuming they would have any need of our biological data, which I tend to doubt. Furthermore what evidence to we have that humans would make good slaves when most of history and human nature proves that wrong.

No, if anything they are hunting for pearls. Rare specimens amongst the flock prove the most profitable.

[/quoteThey are here no matter what we say.

They realized there is no intelligence on this backwater rock and left to search elsewhere for intelligence in the universe ..

originally posted by: pheonix358
Well, I just want to know how many anal probes it takes to change a light globe.

You would think that after x number of said anal probes they would have their research completed and just go home. I can't see why they need to continue this for ever in a day.

Let's face it, according to valuable resources (Ancient Aliens

) they have been here for thousands of years, just how many anal probes do they need.

P

Because the aliens are a horny lot .. if it moves they probe it ..

originally posted by: droid56
a reply to: Tangerine

Except the testimonies. Deny them if you please.

The testimonials are questionable to me. Most were discovered under hypnosis. That, can be controlled by suggestions by the hypnotherapists. The problem I have with this part, and I looked into this part intensely, is that many, if not all the hypnotherapists worked within a network and knew each other. Sure the victims or abductees didn't, but their therapists did!

Often times the abductees were encouraged to seek the ones from the network " because you can't just go through the yellow pages picking one as they they must have experience with the phenomenon". Now that is not a word for word exact quote but pretty darn close. I had the documents that proved this but I tossed them out. So you can choose to consider it or not. Up to you. I found this out because I had wrote to John Mack and talked to Budd hopkins via telephone around 1997. They sent me these papers and encouraged this and suggested to me I was an abductee! Honestly, I was pressured to accept this like you would not believe. This made me suspicious. My suspicions caused me to reject the whole thing and my rejection and confrontational attitude was not welcomed. I was outright harassed to "go get hypnosis". What on Earth all that was about I have no idea but I have a hunch, and it has nothing to do with aliens. Paranormal or supernatural yes, but not aliens.

There's a hidden agenda in it and that agenda is regarding religion. No point getting into that on this website.

It is also widely known that Mack, a well respected Harvard psychiatrist, was tricked by an alleged abductee who convinced him she had been abducted. Also there's some people who worked in Macks Peer network who have been proven to be outright liars. One is a Judith Orloff I believe is her name. There's others who got involved like Uri Gellar and we all know he was busted on the johnny Carson show.

Additionally, my opinions on the hybrid thing regarding reproductive organs in order to steal eggs, fetus, embryos etc is just plain silly. Like come on, if you want eggs or sperm, send down some aliens to rob a sperm bank! Steal blood from the blood banks. Plenty of DNA there. Why go to all the bother of sneaking into bedrooms at night for one lousy sample?

So I would say I started off trying to believe this but gave up on it long ago.

I must admit I always thought the idea of alien abductions was painful. I could read anything on the UFO subject, except abduction reports. They just seem so fake, maybe egotistical. Its like listening to some of the Rendlesham witnesses talk. Just way to sure of themselves. Somehow their confidence in what they swear is truth makes me flinch. 

But, Im the cliche, Im the person who got sucked into all of this because of a series of I-cant-explain-this moments. I used to just read ancient civilizations on ATS. Now, things like missing time, alien lights, massive black triangles, psychic camoflauge, and advanced propulsion technology take up my late night reading. Im looking for answers in all directions. Sometimes irrationally...

But to answer your question directly: What if my wife and I had been abducted? What if we really did experience an extra-terrestrial event? 

Well, maybe, after our mutual experience, we spent hundreds of hours reading everything we could find on the subject, and discovered our experiences were not that special. Maybe we're mystified, but not motivated to stand out.

We could come out and say something, but so what?
We have nothing new to say, other than it happened to us too.

Maybe thats the secret to getting away with things? Make it so mundane the "experiencers" just shut the f up.

originally posted by: droid56
a reply to: Tangerine

Except the testimonies. Deny them if you please.

Claims unsupported by an iota of testable evidence are just claims. All this time, all those claims, no evidence.

originally posted by: violet

originally posted by: droid56
a reply to: Tangerine

Except the testimonies. Deny them if you please.

The testimonials are questionable to me. Most were discovered under hypnosis. That, can be controlled by suggestions by the hypnotherapists. The problem I have with this part, and I looked into this part intensely, is that many, if not all the hypnotherapists worked within a network and knew each other. Sure the victims or abductees didn't, but their therapists did!

Often times the abductees were encouraged to seek the ones from the network " because you can't just go through the yellow pages picking one as they they must have experience with the phenomenon". Now that is not a word for word exact quote but pretty darn close. I had the documents that proved this but I tossed them out. So you can choose to consider it or not. Up to you. I found this out because I had wrote to John Mack and talked to Budd hopkins via telephone around 1997. They sent me these papers and encouraged this and suggested to me I was an abductee! Honestly, I was pressured to accept this like you would not believe. This made me suspicious. My suspicions caused me to reject the whole thing and my rejection and confrontational attitude was not welcomed. I was outright harassed to "go get hypnosis". What on Earth all that was about I have no idea but I have a hunch, and it has nothing to do with aliens. Paranormal or supernatural yes, but not aliens.

There's a hidden agenda in it and that agenda is regarding religion. No point getting into that on this website.

It is also widely known that Mack, a well respected Harvard psychiatrist, was tricked by an alleged abductee who convinced him she had been abducted. Also there's some people who worked in Macks Peer network who have been proven to be outright liars. One is a Judith Orloff I believe is her name. There's others who got involved like Uri Gellar and we all know he was busted on the johnny Carson show.

Additionally, my opinions on the hybrid thing regarding reproductive organs in order to steal eggs, fetus, embryos etc is just plain silly. Like come on, if you want eggs or sperm, send down some aliens to rob a sperm bank! Steal blood from the blood banks. Plenty of DNA there. Why go to all the bother of sneaking into bedrooms at night for one lousy sample?

So I would say I started off trying to believe this but gave up on it long ago.

This alien stuff smacks of a new religion: some of the aliens are here to save us and others are evil. The collection plates are replaced with book sales. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Many people are highly suggestible. For example, the huckster David Icke came up with the reptoid stuff and suddenly people are seeing reptoids. It would be laughable if it weren't so frightening how gullible people really are.

I think some people have a desperate need to be seen as special while others are mentally ill and delusional. There are also probably a few who have genuinely had strange traumatic experiences that they can't rationally explain and have been coached to interpret them as alien abductions or have been influenced by stories about aliens to interpret them that way. Trauma does very strange things to people and there are plenty of hucksters out there willing to make a name and a buck on it.

Nothing that I've said is intended to dismiss the fact that there are unidentified flying objects seen in the sky. But there is simply no evidence that aliens have visited earth or abducted people. Perhaps the people who believe in abductions should ask themselves why. I think the answer lies in the direction of religion: a new high tech religion.

originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: droid56

Before you ask if it's still happening, don't you first have to ask if it ever happened? All this time has passed and there's not an iota of testable evidence proving that aliens have ever visited earth let alone abducted anyone.

Totally untrue and undeniably false.

There are tons of cases with testable evidence, and they definitely have been put to the test in world class laboratories, and this hard evidence has been documented now for decades. Try doing some basic research and see for yourself, assuming you can, or even desire to learn. I get the feeling you already know everything though, and if that is the case, congratulations.

From reading your statements above, it is easy to see you have not done the slightest research yourself, but just take the easy and labor free answer that is pushed quite dramatically by the average Joe.

Note that what I said above does not claim anything except that there is testable evidence if you want to look for it, but YOU have to take those steps, no one can do it for you. I am not making any claims other than research is more powerful a learning tool than demanding others "show it to you". It only works if you do the work, and there is no guarantee you will learn anything since it is based on the effort you put in personally. Starting from scratch if you must.

I just love seeing people parroting "there's no evidence" and they have never even lifted a finger to find out, only going by the commonly stated beliefs of what they hear from others that also do that same thing.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: droid56

Before you ask if it's still happening, don't you first have to ask if it ever happened? All this time has passed and there's not an iota of testable evidence proving that aliens have ever visited earth let alone abducted anyone.

Totally untrue and undeniably false.

There are tons of cases with testable evidence, and they definitely have been put to the test in world class laboratories, and this hard evidence has been documented now for decades. Try doing some basic research and see for yourself, assuming you can, or even desire to learn. I get the feeling you already know everything though, and if that is the case, congratulations.

From reading your statements above, it is easy to see you have not done the slightest research yourself, but just take the easy and labor free answer that is pushed quite dramatically by the average Joe.

Note that what I said above does not claim anything except that there is testable evidence if you want to look for it, but YOU have to take those steps, no one can do it for you. I am not making any claims other than research is more powerful a learning tool than demanding others "show it to you". It only works if you do the work, and there is no guarantee you will learn anything since it is based on the effort you put in personally. Starting from scratch if you must.

I just love seeing people parroting "there's no evidence" and they have never even lifted a finger to find out, only going by the commonly stated beliefs of what they hear from others that also do that same thing.

I've been reading about this stuff for decades. Claims abound but not testable evidence. You claim to have some so let's see it.

Cite the testable evidence proving that a) aliens (that is sentient beings from other planets or solar systems) have visited earth and b) have abducted humans.

Remember that claims are not evidence. Evidence must be testable by scientific methods. Explain how the evidence you cite has been independently tested via the scientific method.

a reply to: Tangerine

No I didn't claim to have any.

I said that there simply is (edit) testable evidence. Some very well known scientists have shared quite a lot.

Call all the world class labs and personally ask research scientists if they have ever seen manufactured or fabricated and not naturally occurring alloys with elements that have isotopic ratios that can't be found in this solar system without that they were brought here.

Look for books and read or research it a tiny bit. Lab results on the above prove a lot, but you still have the dilemma of believing it or not.

I find it roll on the floor hilarious that you make all the demands of science, but never employ any of it yourself to discover anything, all you do is troll these threads and act the same way and demand everyone else do the work for you, so that you don't have to lift a finger. In fact, that is all I have ever seen you do.

To say you have been studying this for decades is even more funny. If that is truly the case, you are in the wrong business. If you haven't learned anything at this late date, you are never going to. But I get it, you are hoping to prove the contrary by doing nothing, but demand others do all the somethings.

Tangerine, this old thread has lots of material for finding out that this planet has been visited by non humans.
Am ATS thread on evidence


To address the OP, Yes abductions are still being reported world wide. and there are all kinds of patterns and connections about them, that the victims could possibly not know about them all, until after it happens and are told by investigators, which shows they can't be all hoaxes or lies.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Tangerine

No I didn't claim to have any.

I said that there simply is (edit) testable evidence. Some very well known scientists have shared quite a lot.

Call all the world class labs and personally ask research scientists if they have ever seen manufactured or fabricated and not naturally occurring alloys with elements that have isotopic ratios that can't be found in this solar system without that they were brought here.

Look for books and read or research it a tiny bit. Lab results on the above prove a lot, but you still have the dilemma of believing it or not.

I find it roll on the floor hilarious that you make all the demands of science, but never employ any of it yourself to discover anything, all you do is troll these threads and act the same way and demand everyone else do the work for you, so that you don't have to lift a finger. In fact, that is all I have ever seen you do.

To say you have been studying this for decades is even more funny. If that is truly the case, you are in the wrong business. If you haven't learned anything at this late date, you are never going to. But I get it, you are hoping to prove the contrary by doing nothing, but demand others do all the somethings.

So you don't have any testable evidence for your claims after all. Thought so.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Tangerine, this old thread has lots of material for finding out that this planet has been visited by non humans.
Am ATS thread on evidence


To address the OP, Yes abductions are still being reported world wide. and there are all kinds of patterns and connections about them, that the victims could possibly not know about them all, until after it happens and are told by investigators, which shows they can't be all hoaxes or lies.

It's not my job to read through threads to find testable evidence to support your claims. It's your job. You claimed the testable evidence exists so cite it.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Tangerine, this old thread has lots of material for finding out that this planet has been visited by non humans.
Am ATS thread on evidence


To address the OP, Yes abductions are still being reported world wide. and there are all kinds of patterns and connections about them, that the victims could possibly not know about them all, until after it happens and are told by investigators, which shows they can't be all hoaxes or lies.

It's not my job to read through threads to find testable evidence to support your claims. It's your job. You claimed the testable evidence exists so cite it.

See, you just proved you are far too lazy to even bother with. You don't deserve it and are getting NO free handouts from me because you are a known trolling type of wannabe debunker. That is your history. That kind of behavior is not conducive to the learning process. When and if you ever grow past that I will be happy to oblige.

And I did cite it, I told you to call some world class labs and ask them the questions I mentioned. Is that too hard for you? Or if you need help, you can ask someone to dial the phone for you.

originally posted by: pheonix358
Well, I just want to know how many anal probes it takes to change a light globe.

You would think that after x number of said anal probes they would have their research completed and just go home. I can't see why they need to continue this for ever in a day

As a long time amateur astronomer and science geek, i would love nothing more than to say that aliens have visited the earth...sadly, there is not a shred of decent proof. No decent footage, nothing. In my opinion, abductions have never taken place, ever.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Tangerine, this old thread has lots of material for finding out that this planet has been visited by non humans.
Am ATS thread on evidence


To address the OP, Yes abductions are still being reported world wide. and there are all kinds of patterns and connections about them, that the victims could possibly not know about them all, until after it happens and are told by investigators, which shows they can't be all hoaxes or lies.

It's not my job to read through threads to find testable evidence to support your claims. It's your job. You claimed the testable evidence exists so cite it.

See, you just proved you are far too lazy to even bother with. You don't deserve it and are getting NO free handouts from me because you are a known trolling type of wannabe debunker. That is your history. That kind of behavior is not conducive to the learning process. When and if you ever grow past that I will be happy to oblige.

And I did cite it, I told you to call some world class labs and ask them the questions I mentioned. Is that too hard for you? Or if you need help, you can ask someone to dial the phone for you.

So you don't have any evidence. Thought so.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Tangerine, this old thread has lots of material for finding out that this planet has been visited by non humans.
Am ATS thread on evidence


To address the OP, Yes abductions are still being reported world wide. and there are all kinds of patterns and connections about them, that the victims could possibly not know about them all, until after it happens and are told by investigators, which shows they can't be all hoaxes or lies.

It's not my job to read through threads to find testable evidence to support your claims. It's your job. You claimed the testable evidence exists so cite it.

See, you just proved you are far too lazy to even bother with. You don't deserve it and are getting NO free handouts from me because you are a known trolling type of wannabe debunker. That is your history. That kind of behavior is not conducive to the learning process. When and if you ever grow past that I will be happy to oblige.

And I did cite it, I told you to call some world class labs and ask them the questions I mentioned. Is that too hard for you? Or if you need help, you can ask someone to dial the phone for you.

So you don't have any evidence. Thought so.

LOL I have already given several places you can find it, but you seem to want it delivered in a probe or something, and you repeat yourself as if the repetition is strengthening your position, but it just exposes your ignorance as self inflicted. I would think you would be embarrassed, but I can see you are oblivious to your own self subversion. Your replies look like a Peewee Herman stunt as well.

If we look at the handfull of popular cases an interesting picture emerges. Those stories like the Hills and Walton etc... With each telling of their stories the narrative gets more and more alien. But when we look at some of their initial or later recounts, that isn't exactly the case.

The Hill's early accounts described aliens that were very human like. Walton described humans. Even Whitley's accounts got more and more human to the point I think he tweeted he wasn't sure if it was aliens at all. But of course the people running the alien and ufo circuit don't want you to know that.

Even the flying saucer narrative is falling apart as people more and more are reporting craft that don't exactly look "alien". So I think things are happening, but the culprits might be closer to home.

As far as evidence, there was one good case, which ironically got ditched when the tests showed it wasn't alien. That guy from New Zealand that was raped by aliens became a huge buzz on the scene for one because of his story and two for that fact he had hair samples. When the tests showed them human he was dropped, but the tests showed it to be a rather unique type of human.

We'll NEVER get the answers we need about this phenomena until we boot the ufo con artists out of the picture.