Brother-in-Law has Pancreatic cancer that's spread to liver, here's the alternative Regimine I got

a reply to: Hellhound604
And for other cancer sufferer too.

Give consideration to a ketogenic diet and possibly caloric restriction. AFAIK the cancer that responded the most was brain cancer, if I remember well glioblastoma multiforme (GBM).

This diet may not be a cure but have the potential to slowdown cancer by not helping the anaerobic glycolysis (the Warburg effect) and is neuroprotective. Also, ketone bodies can be used as fuel for the brain after some time of adaptation, thus minimizing requirement and presence of glucose in blood (highly required by cancerous cells).

Take good note that it is NOT true that carbs injestion is required for life, the human body is capable to make the strict minimum of glucose it need only from protein or lipid. We are truely carnivor by nature. Please give no consideration to the "urban legend" that it is red meat that give cancer. Modern "healthy" high carb diet is what make people sick...

For ref. try to find this paper: ZUCCOLI et al. - Metabolic Management of glioblastoma multiforme using standard therapy together with a restricted ketogenic diet: Case Report.

originally posted by: Rezlooper
Here's some more to think about on natural cures. This diet worked for my father-in-law and I think the key ingredient was the baking soda treatment along with cutting out all acidic foods.

We may have cured father-in-laws cancer naturally - symptoms gone in 3 weeks!

He's doing the baking soda with maple syrup off and on

originally posted by: strongfp
Hate to be 'that guy' but the doctors who told you red meat is linked to cancer is very, very bias opinion, and they ignored the fact that he drank up to 12 cans of soda a day!?
Do not go back to those doctors, any person with minimum knowledge of how the pancreas works knows the sugar from the soda had a much, much larger impact then eating red meat. Digestion of meat is only contributed to about 10% of what the pancreas does.
That being said, hope this works out! The body is an amazing thing and can bounce back.
I've heard that even going on fasting diets have slowed down cancer growth as the aggressive cells need more to live, if they aren't getting enough oxygen, nutrients etc, they get tired, and the healthy cells in your body stay strong, eventually the cancer cells slowly become almost dormant and chemo can easily 'zap' them away. Scientists have seen this in labs many times, and it's an old farmers trick for sick cows and pigs - minus the chemo -. Good luck!

No mate, the link between meat consumption and cancer rates is about as strong as science is capable of showing. Diet is the most important factor by a vast margin.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Fresh fruits, vegetables, and whole grains deliver much higher concentrations of vitamins and minerals per calorie than meat. The most common nutrient deficiency in the West is dietary fiber, only found in plants. It's not about unhealthy meat vs healthy meat, it's the meat itself. We simply function better on plant-based diets, regardless of ethnicity or genes or blood type, etc. Hundreds, and hundreds of studies accumulated for over 70 years is painting a very clear picture of this.

A great resource

Science > Ideology

Yes let's blame a perfectly normal and healthy food like red meat for developing pancreatic cancer! Doctors are morons! The research linking red meat to everything under the son like pancreatic cancers is BS! There is a strong genetic link to pancreatic cancer and being exposed to chemicals etc. even the soda drinking has very little to do with it. People don't necessarily need fruits and vegetables to be healthy. They are a benefit but people who eat iceberg lettuce and potatoes aren't going to get much out them. You don't need to eat upwards of 8-10 servings a day or whatever crazy amount the RDA suggests either. Blueberries are probably the best fruit to consume if you had to consume only one. A cup a day is all you need.

Anyways good luck with your brother. Please no alternative medicine has a very small success rate when done in conjunction with chemo. Chemo is worthless!

Even living a healthy lifestyle won't always protect you against cancer (it will NEVER cure you of it anyway).

Most Cancers are just "Bad Luck"

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dominicus



A long time friend of mine passed away from this last year, he was in his 40s.



He refused alternative treatments and burned through Chemo Therapy treatments for 18 months.



FYI - Turmeric with black pepper (bioprene) has some promise.


It's interesting what you said about Turmeric. I heard what it could do and decided to give my cat, Moses, 1/8 tsp for his sebaceous cyst that was growing on the side of his mouth (I can't afford to keep getting it drained since it grows back) His cyst went down considerably and the small one under his chin disappeared.

I don't know how it will help people but because it's a spice it can be safely used. If it doesn't help, it certainly can't hurt.

OP: My thoughts and prayers are with you!

originally posted by: dominicus

originally posted by: Rezlooper
Here's some more to think about on natural cures. This diet worked for my father-in-law and I think the key ingredient was the baking soda treatment along with cutting out all acidic foods.

We may have cured father-in-laws cancer naturally - symptoms gone in 3 weeks!

He's doing the baking soda with maple syrup off and on

No. He's only done the treatment twice. Once during this initial diet plan which killed his cancer and then a year later he did it again for two weeks as a preventive measure.

Oh yeah, and it's molasses he used for his mix with the baking soda.

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: dominicus

originally posted by: Rezlooper
Here's some more to think about on natural cures. This diet worked for my father-in-law and I think the key ingredient was the baking soda treatment along with cutting out all acidic foods.

We may have cured father-in-laws cancer naturally - symptoms gone in 3 weeks!

He's doing the baking soda with maple syrup off and on

No. He's only done the treatment twice. Once during this initial diet plan which killed his cancer and then a year later he did it again for two weeks as a preventive measure.

Oh yeah, and it's molasses he used for his mix with the baking soda.

Okay, I got you.

Ca-19 Numbers are back, just got back from the Hospital with him for his 5th round of Chemo. They went up from 150, to 249 and the doctor said its normal for the numbers to go up during chemo because the cancer is getting killed and releases more of its proteins which heightens the readings, and that he's still on an extreme low end for these numbers with the cancer he has.

2-2.5 more weeks till he gets scans. I'm making him the DCA in pill form today, hitting him from every angle. And next week we are going to a Chinese Herbalist for a Thunder God Vine mix

Glasgow in the UK. has the highest incidence of Cancer in the UK. Plus its the Murder capital of Europe. The main food is meat and spuds. So diet doesn't only effect the behaviour of cells it affects social behaviour as well. If you went to the Doc and said "Does diet stop cancer?" It would first of all be a stupid question to ask because he/she is not a nutritionist , and wouldn't have a clue. Secondly if everyone eat good food he would be looking for another job. Industrialised food production , pharmaceuticals, and many more industries would collapse. The modern world has walked into an economic straight jacket, and as far as health goes its up to you.

originally posted by: anonentity
Glasgow in the UK. has the highest incidence of Cancer in the UK. Plus its the Murder capital of Europe. The main food is meat and spuds. So diet doesn't only effect the behaviour of cells it affects social behaviour as well. If you went to the Doc and said "Does diet stop cancer?" It would first of all be a stupid question to ask because he/she is not a nutritionist , and wouldn't have a clue. Secondly if everyone eat good food he would be looking for another job. Industrialised food production , pharmaceuticals, and many more industries would collapse. The modern world has walked into an economic straight jacket, and as far as health goes its up to you.

If you study Eastern Mysticism, aspects of Hinduism, Buddhism, they have lists of how each food effects you and in what way, and they've been around for a Loooooong time. The first person to ever propose the "Atom", was a mystic named Kanada in 600 B.C.

Wiki Kanada

Some Eastern beliefs on meat:

Ancient Rishis have said you take on the karma of the animal you eat
When you eat meat you are ingesting all the stress hormones released when that animal was killed. The hormones released at death are present in the flesh when you eat it. At a cellular level, your body is getting the message that you are dying.

further along:

Meat has a very low vibration. On a continuum of lower vibrations, fish, chicken, lamb, beef, and finally pork have increasingly lower vibrations and their energy is very dark, dense and congested. Through the centuries it has been observed that vegetarians have a more refined etheric body and brighter aura. A vegetarian whose etheric body is brighter and healthier will generally heal at much faster rate than those who are not vegetarian.

Source Link

I remember reading a few yoga books that mentioned meat eaters become more aggressive, overly sexual, and judgement becomes clouded from overproduction of hormones

commenting so i can come back and read all of this tomorrow... my best friend was diagnosed with kidney cancer a few months ago so i'm hoping some of you learned people can make alternative treatment suggestions as well

a reply to: dominicus

That's an interesting point on meat with regards to the stress hormones. I notice that in the freezing works they have to de stress the meat by putting it through electric shocks. If they don't it is to tough. The industrialised feeding stations, where the cows are fed on corn, are very suspect as well. As a grass eater they are not designed to eat corn. So they put more fat on.

When you think what the cows milk is designed for.( Making a calf into a two ton, cow in eighteen months.) Then think how it does this, Primarily by high amounts of the Bovine growth hormone. Which signals cells to divide rapidly, around ten times the rate of human cellular division. Then consider that, after maturity the human slows the production of this same hormone, because growth is complete. But then ingests vast amounts in milk and cheese, signalling all cells to divide rapidly, after adulthood is reached. Especially fat cells, also providing the fats to sustain this. Its no wonder that their is an obesity epidemic.

Praying for your Brother In Law. I hope he gets better soon.

originally posted by: GrantedBail
a reply to: dominicus

Good luck. I will be keeping an eye on this thread. The love of my life was recently diagnosed with primary liver cancer . His only chance at survival is a liver transplant but his tumor is too big to qualify to be put on the donor list. Very scary times.

Thanks to the thread that dominicus mentioned in the OP, i started making and drinking liposomal vit c and I have never felt better.
Last summer my brother was diagnosed with prostrate cancer so I mentioned the liposomal to him.
We done some more reading up on it and found it's widely used to treat cancer.
I found a site in the UK that gives advice to men with prostrate trouble and the guy who has ran it for around twenty years believes he cured his cancer with the liposomal vitamin c.
Here's his site.....

www.prostatehelp.me.uk...


It's worth anyone with prostrate trouble having a look.
At the moment my brother is taking the encapsulated liposomal vitamin c and molasses and baking soda .....the two taken alongside each other seems to be pretty helpful towards anyone with cancer.

a reply to: PeterMcFly
Thanks for the interesting info.

For ref. try to find this paper: ZUCCOLI et al. - Metabolic Management of glioblastoma multiforme using standard therapy together with a restricted ketogenic diet: Case Report.

Here it is - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Good news, bad news

Results

After two months treatment, the patient's body weight was reduced by about 20% and no discernable brain tumor tissue was detected using either FDG-PET or MRI imaging. Biomarker changes showed reduced levels of blood glucose and elevated levels of urinary ketones. MRI evidence of tumor recurrence was found 10 weeks after suspension of strict diet therapy.

Conclusion

This is the first report of confirmed GBM treated with standard therapy together with a restricted ketogenic diet. As rapid regression of GBM is rare in older patients following incomplete surgical resection and standard therapy alone, the response observed in this case could result in part from the action of the calorie restricted ketogenic diet. Further studies are needed to evaluate the efficacy of restricted ketogenic diets, administered alone or together with standard treatment, as a therapy for GBM and possibly other malignant brain tumors.

originally posted by: dominicus

If you study Eastern Mysticism, aspects of Hinduism, Buddhism, they have lists of how each food effects you and in what way, and they've been around for a Loooooong time. The first person to ever propose the "Atom", was a mystic named Kanada in 600 B.C.

If they believe meat or vegetables "vibrate" in that way, then they've been wrong a loooooooooong time, as well.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: dominicus

If you study Eastern Mysticism, aspects of Hinduism, Buddhism, they have lists of how each food effects you and in what way, and they've been around for a Loooooong time. The first person to ever propose the "Atom", was a mystic named Kanada in 600 B.C.

If they believe meat or vegetables "vibrate" in that way, then they've been wrong a loooooooooong time, as well.

What the f&^%$ was the point of your post?

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Yes there is good news and there is bad news. But if there have been positive sides added to such a "lost cause" kind of cancer like GBM, maybe lots of "good news" may be added to less agressive cancer.

It must be noted that body weight reduction is NOT to be associated with a balanced ketogenic diet, probably due to caloric restriction and/or cancer. Also tumor returned AFTER suspension of diet. We can live indefinitly on a balanced ketogenic diet.

Another paper: VEECH, R. L. - The therapeutic Implications of ketone bodies: the effects of ketone bodies in pathological conditions: ketosis, ketogenic diet, redox states, insulin resistance, and mitochondrial metabolism.

I'm actively researching this field, if someone find the topic interesting, please say so, I will post.

originally posted by: anonentity
What the f&^%$ was the point of your post?

Ancient Eastern mystic beliefs have no particular value, medically. The #ing point is, if your medical belief structure depends on the quality of "vibrations" of meat or vegetables for its basic theoretical foundation, it's bollocks. Was that more clear?

a reply to: Bedlam

If they believe meat or vegetables "vibrate" in that way, then they've been wrong a loooooooooong time, as well.

Actually, all matter "vibrates" at certain rates anyway. All physical matter is atoms, with space in between them. The denser an object, the more tightly packed they are, and vice versa, like water isn't dense, because the atoms are further apart. Also, epigenetics is a "thing" now in science. Literally generations passing down memories, traumas, and how knows what else down to 2 or more generations. Read much science at all ? Literally everything, including you, is vibrating at a variety of rates