Nigel Farage's German Grandad moved to UK without anything to offer the country!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Miliband is better than the media paint him as, with some good policies...
He can't eat a Bacon sandwich? His father hated Britain? And you don't see that as agenda driven right wing nonsense.
Is he two term worthy? Probably not, but I see no problems giving him four years to fix the NHS.

FFS!

You cant be serious?

Its not even Millpede himself it Labour!

How the hell can you think of trusting labour EVER again with the UK?

They :
1) Sold us out to the EU
2) Tony Blair
3) Nearly Bankrupted us
4) Tony Blair
5) Dragged the UK into 2 stupid US wars
6) Tony Blair
7) Oversaw one of the worst economic disasters since 1929
8) Tony Blair
9) Opened the doors to mass immigration
10) TONY #ING BLAIR
11) Brought in mass surveillance
12) Gorden brown
13) oversaw once of the worst cases of corruption IE the expenses scandal
14) Gorden brown
15) Slashed the MOD budget and left us currently without aircraft carriers
16) Gorden Brown
17) Brought in a crap ton of nanny state legislation
18) Gorden Brown
19) F up the nations energy policy by having a wishy washy stance and leaving us with a near energy crisis and high bills
20) GORDEN #ING BROWN!
21) Draconian anti terror laws resembling the US.
21)Extreme politically correctness and pussifying of UK schools ( FFS Kids in most schools cant go out to play in the snow!)
22) GORDEN BROWN AND TONY BLAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok don't vote for UKIP but PLEASE!!! PLEASE!!! PLEASE!!!!!! dont give the country back to those incompetent buffoons called labour!


Dont vote UKIP but dont vote labour or Torys.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs



Russell Brand destroyed Farage on Question Time...
You might want to watch that to understand the bigger picture.

I respect Brand and agree with most of what he says.

But Farage had a point. Why doesnt Brand run as MP?

It one thing pointing out the problems with the UK but what does he suppose we do to fix them?

Maybe if he ran I would send my protest vote to him.

a reply to: crazyewok

Why doesnt Brand run as MP?

He gave his answer on Question Time, he's a comedian, not a politician.

but what does he suppose we do to fix them?

He discusses this a lot on his youtube channel.

a reply to: crazyewok

With all due respect, Tony Blair & Gordon Brown are gone.


And most of the things you claim Labour did, were due to them two men...

Not to mention Conservatives & Liberals all voted on those proposals too.




I'm not gonna tell you not to vote for UKIP...
You're a grown man...

But I will certainly share my opinion on what that vote goes towards.


As for Russell Brand, I think he mentioned why he didn't want to run...
If I remember rightly he said he is not a Politician...
& I'd agree with that.
There's nothing to stop him pursuing that in future, but I'd say like me and yourself, he is just passionate about the way we're being treated right now & wants to be a voice for someone other than the Bankers.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo


The NHS, welfare and education system is failing not because of government mismanagement, funding cuts or privatization, no but because of immigrants. Yeah they are to blame lol.

The * NHS, * Education, * Social Housing, and * Welfare are bursting at the

seams and failing because when the budgets for them were set there was no

allowance being made for the 'huge influx' of immigrants into this country.

Added to which there is the additional expense of interpreters needed to

cover the many languages and dialects involved. It comes to something when

English is not even the first language in some schools.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo


He gave his answer on Question Time, he's a comedian, not a politician.

A cop out if you ask me.


The public need someone to vote for!

Conservative and labour suck

So they are turning to UKIP as a protest vote.


If UKIP are not a valid vote them someone needs to start a better party and Brand has the capital and influence.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: crazyewok

With all due respect, Tony Blair & Gordon Brown are gone.

But the party is still responsible for them. They let them head the party and many old school labour are still lingering around like bad farts.

Sorry but you dont trust someone with a dismal track record.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
And most of the things you claim Labour did, were due to them two men...

Read above.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Not to mention Conservatives & Liberals all voted on those proposals too.

If you read my above post I made it quite clear I dont exactly hold them in high regard either.......

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

As for Russell Brand, I think he mentioned why he didn't want to run...
If I remember rightly he said he is not a Politician...
& I'd agree with that.
There's nothing to stop him pursuing that in future, but I'd say like me and yourself, he is just passionate about the way we're being treated right now & wants to be a voice for someone other than the Bankers.

Well then who do I vote for?

Labour? # track record
Conservative ? # track record
Lib Dems ? # track record


So who is left?

UKIP
Green

Now Id rather pull my eyes out with rusty spoons than vote green.....so thats leaves UKIP


Brands excuse is a cop out. He cant moan but leave the public with no other choice to vote for.

a reply to: eletheia

Oh right, so its nothing to do with the fact we have a conservative government enforcing austerity cuts, no, its not that at all, its the immigrants what did it. So you really are just a mad old racist then, kk, thx, bye.

a reply to: crazyewok

A cop out if you ask me.

Is it really though?, I disagree with U.S foreign policy so why dont I just become president and do something about it or GTFO.

Hmmm not sure if thats how it really works in a free and open society. Pretty sure hes entitled to an opinion without having to actualy become an MP, thats pretty reasonable is it not?

He also tells people if there is no one worth voting for DO NOT VOTE.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: MysterX

Jews do not have to practise Judaism.
Add to that Miliband is an Athiest.


So I don't see the hypocrisy myself.

That's right, Miliband is an atheist, so what if he's descended from Polish Jews. Camerons closer to home with Farage being descended from German Jews

originally posted by: Dabrazzo


He also tells people if there is no one worth voting for DO NOT VOTE.

But that logic does not work!

Cause there will allways be someone that votes.


Be it a self serving banker that wants to keep the torys in power or a misguided soul like CharlieSpeirs who will vote labor or some dip# that just votes for a party as there father and fathers farther did.

Even if there is only a 1% voter turn out they will just form a party round those suckers who voted and we will get another useless tory or labor government.

a reply to: crazyewok

Its the only way man, every single person needs to stop voting immediately, stop taking part and legitimizing these criminals in power. I think if they were faced with a 1% voter turnout they would have to radicaly re-align their concept of governing.

Taking part in a system we know to be inherently corrupt and most definitely against our own interests seem pretty wacky to me.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: crazyewok

Its the only way man, every single person needs to stop voting immediately,

But they wont!

The system does benefit a few elite and THEY will continue to vote.

So if all us plebs refused to vote the corrupt system still stays in place because of a the elite and few idiots that do vote.

a reply to: crazyewok

Your telling me if 1% of the people turned out to vote, nothing would happen?, it would just be business as usual???

People need to stop voting, stop paying taxes, stop going to work en-mass, immediately withdraw money from all banks. Exercise the true power we have over these delinquents.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
Ahhh another raci- I mean "nationalist" *wink* *wink*

It's comments like this that ensures there is no open discussion about immigration. A person is not racist - or even nationalistic - to be concerned about the levels of immigration.

Pathetic.

Regards

Nigel Farage and many other people know that immigrants force down wages and that they are allowed to jump queues when it comes to public housing and medical care.

He also knows that the EU is a pipe dream thats going wrong regardless of where his parents came from.

Hell so many immigrants are being allowed in to server as slaves that the exsisting imigrant slaves are feeling the pain and its high time we looked after our own who cannot even afford to buy a home before any more immigrants are let in to inflate corporate profits.

The field is full, grass all eaten.

a reply to: paraphi

Whats really pathetic is hiding behind the concept of nationalism to hide blatantly racist opinions.

The last thing this country needs are thousands of people who have no cultural understanding of Britain

# off.

.....and will suck the welfare, health and schooling system dry

Did you know Britain enjoys a positive fiscal impact of migration? or that The Office for Budget Responsibility explored the long-term fiscal sustainability of the UK using stats collated by the Office for National Statistics to suggest long term migration into Britain actualy lowers our nations Debt to GDP?.

Have you even ever bothered to study the impact of immigration on any serious level other than what the Daily Mail or the Sun tells you?

You see the real problem here is not the migrants coming into our country its the scumbags in power who want to keep people like you distracted from the real issues at hand.

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
Whats really pathetic is hiding behind the concept of nationalism to hide blatantly racist opinions.

Totally agree with you. Which is why your comment was so wrong.

Yours was the the typical "close down discussion" statement beloved of those who are unable to meaningfully debate this complex and topical issue. The fact remains, as asserted, that uncontrolled immigration harms the host nation and is perceived as negative by the host population. That's neither a nationalistic, nor a racist statement.

Regards

a reply to: Dabrazzo

Whats really pathetic is hiding behind the concept of nationalism to hide blatantly racist opinions.

Sorry mate but the gas the jews, Hitler race card was maxed out years ago and you would do better using Master-Card because with immigration keeping wage inflation down and house prices up that too will soon be maxed out to.

its quite "pathetic" if you cannot make a connection between labour supply and wages without playing the race card if you ask me.

Did you know Britain enjoys a positive fiscal impact of migration? or that The Office for Budget Responsibility explored the long-term fiscal sustainability of the UK using stats collated by the Office for National Statistics

Yeah and the same group says the economy is on the mend and that inflation is only 1% but in the real world many cannot even speak english let alone work and many that do work have jobs jobs that are paid in cash so they pay little in the way of taxes anyway.

Before mass PC immigration people had more money in their pockets and could afford to buy houses

Whites cannot get jobs in the NHS because most go to immigrants so where are all these equal opertunties racial advisers and where are they when it comes to council houses with the right to buy that hardly ever goes to white people ?

No i bet the "The Office for Budget Responsibility" would tell me my eyes are deceiving me but a lot of people can see otherwise.

a reply to: paraphi

Which is why your comment was so wrong.

Then explain it to me.

The last thing this country needs are thousands of people who have no cultural understanding of Britain

I have lived in the United Kingdom all my life, I do not consider myself to be "British". I have no cultural understanding of what it is to be "British", seriously, not just for the sake of argument, I dont know what this concept of "Britishness" is but I hear it a lot parroted by people who think migrants should know.

The fact remains, as asserted, that uncontrolled immigration harms the host nation

Prove that to me, because as far as im aware that is not the case for Britain, Britain enjoys a positive economical impact from migrants just like many other OECD nations.

If not economic harm, because we can easily prove it is not economic harm then what harm does the host nation experience?

and is perceived as negative by the host population

If not racist, then why would it be "perceived" to be negative by the host population?, I do not perceive it to be a negative, I am a member of the host population. What other reason is there being perceived as negative?, because remember it cant be to do with the economy, we know that it helps our economy. So what else is there?