Nigel Farage's German Grandad moved to UK without anything to offer the country!

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
a reply to: eletheia

Yeah sounds great mate, youv clearly got it sussed.

Well if experience counts for anything I have probably lived through more

governments than most on this thread.... or even most of ATS.


I am neither rich nor poor just an average everyday person and I sure as

hell know when I have been best off.


Condensed into a nutshell Labour has always spent? overspent? IMO unwisely

and the Conservatives have always picked up a depleted economy ...... But

hey what do I know? I've only lived through 16 changes of government!!

a reply to: eletheia

I do not know why experiencing so many changes of governments would make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's

But then surely you should know by now that these "governments" very rarely if ever have the peoples interest at heart and that no major political party should ever be trusted to represent us.

So why you think UKIP are any different exactly?

a reply to: infolurker

He seems to be the Ron Paul of the EU?

Sorry my friend but that's wrong.


The UK has no Ron Paul equivalent as of yet.


& Nigel Farage is a buddy to the big City bankers.


He's a businessman... Not a politician.


He blames everything on immigration, even Traffic Jams!!!


He's a buffoon who borders on racist...
& he is definitely xenophobic along with his entire Political party.


I don't know what videos you've seen, & admittedly you may well have bought into his charismatic approach...
But other than charisma, he has nothing to offer the UK in terms of leadership.



Personally I can't believe the amount of people on here stating he is about controlled immigration...
That's a facade, & you're all buying it.

Every political party is about controlled immigration & that's also exactly what we have in coalition with EU partners.
It's always been labour, conservative, & LibDem talking about controlled immigration...


What Farage did was use his connections in the big City & media to push his voice into the headlines & it was done to make you people believe that he was the first to start discussing it.



He wasn't, and some Google searches will show you this discussion has been on the table long before Farage's big mouth came into the picture.



Russell Brand destroyed Farage on Question Time...
You might want to watch that to understand the bigger picture.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: infolurker

He seems to be the Ron Paul of the EU?

Sorry my friend but that's wrong.


The UK has no Ron Paul equivalent as of yet.


& Nigel Farage is a buddy to the big City bankers.


He's a businessman... Not a politician.


He blames everything on immigration, even Traffic Jams!!!


He's a buffoon who borders on racist...
& he is definitely xenophobic along with his entire Political party.


I don't know what videos you've seen, & admittedly you may well have bought into his charismatic approach...
But other than charisma, he has nothing to offer the UK in terms of leadership.



Personally I can't believe the amount of people on here stating he is about controlled immigration...
That's a facade, & you're all buying it.

Every political party is about controlled immigration & that's also exactly what we have in coalition with EU partners.
It's always been labour, conservative, & LibDem talking about controlled immigration...


What Farage did was use his connections in the big City & media to push his voice into the headlines & it was done to make you people believe that he was the first to start discussing it.



He wasn't, and some Google searches will show you this discussion has been on the table long before Farage's big mouth came into the picture.



Russell Brand destroyed Farage on Question Time...
You might want to watch that to understand the bigger picture.

I don't even need to respond to any of the comments on the first page. A few members have already cleared it up for me. Cheers Charlie, Good job

Whoever said something along the lines of 'He's just another fascist in disguise'.. I owe you a beer.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

Still sounds better than Camron and millipede.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Dabrazzo

Still sounds better than Camron and millipede.

'Sounds better'
You've evidently fallen for that 'ol chestnut.

a reply to: TechUnique

We British did lots of bad things to a hell of a lot of people all around the world over the centuries, whether it was in the name of commerce or empire building, many thousands of 'Johnny Foreigners' were killed by us Brits.

Does the fact that our ancestors participated in such atrocities, mean that the British alive today think that is OK to have done, or continue to do such things now?

Of course it doesn't.

Anymore than Farage can control or influence what his ancestors did, or more strictly speaking, what the British officials of the day allowed them to do back then.

Times were different...back when immigration didn't really matter, Great Britain had FAR fewer people living in these small islands, there were probably around a third the population numbers we have today, so could very comfortably accommodate immigration better.

a reply to: MysterX

Dude. People like to think our country is overcrowded and there's not space. That's stupid, there's plenty of space. There's a lack of houses. That's the difference. Last time I checked, Farage wanted to slow down or stop new builds of homes?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs


He's a buffoon who borders on racist...
& he is definitely xenophobic along with his entire Political party.

He goes on about immigration abit too much but I fail to see the xenophobia,UKIP is quick to kick out racist members. There stance is controlled immigration not Zero immigration.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
, he has nothing to offer the UK in terms of leadership.

Nor do millipede and Camron really.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Personally I can't believe the amount of people on here stating he is about controlled immigration...
That's a facade, & you're all buying it.

Proof?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Every political party is about controlled immigration & that's also exactly what we have in coalition with EU partners.
It's always been labour, conservative, & LibDem talking about controlled immigration...

Really?

Well they haven't shown any evidence of that,

Labor opened the doors and Conservatives have kept those door open.

Controlled my arse.

originally posted by: TechUnique
a reply to: MysterX

Dude. People like to think our country is overcrowded and there's not space. That's stupid, there's plenty of space. There's a lack of houses. That's the difference. Last time I checked, Farage wanted to slow down or stop new builds of homes?

Well...unless you want people to squat on private farmland, or camp on common land, the lack of homes is partly the point isn't it?

We do need more housing, and a programme of affordable housing needs to be implemented, something the scope of an entire new town like Milton keynes or similar i reckon.

However, we don't have that in the works, and even if we did, why should we give up our green and pleasant land (space) to build new towns on which will be filled by Eastern Europeans flooding in to undercut our own indigenous workforce, many of whom also require affordable housing and jobs?

There comes a point, when a control HAS to be the sensible option, and immigration from Europe, especially the new members from the ramshackle, run down gipsy camp of Eastern Europe (meaning of COURSE they want to come to Britain for a better life) is completely UN-controlled...which is an insane policy IMO.

I don't agree with everything Farage or indeed ANY other politician says, but i do agree it's lunacy not to have a sensible, controlled immigration policy in place, perhaps based on skillsets or a points scoring system for the peopple wanting to come here.

It's not just about housing either...it's literally everything from GP and hospital costs and waiting lists, public and private transport, school and university places, everything really, including of course housing and jobs.

There is a tipping point in every system, if uncontrolled immigration continues, we'll reach the point of gridlock...why should British people suffer to simply give away what our own ancestry has built and worked their arses off for, and dilute our own children's heritage?

Political correctness is NOT a good enough reason to keep the borders wide open mate...someone has to bear the brunt of the touchy - feely - lefty brigade who want to hand over everything the British have slogged their guts out for over the years, and Farage is obviously gladly willing to be the whipping boy for such people to prevent European chancers and opportunistic scroungers overwhelming our resources, not to mention eroding our sense of community.

WE deserve what we have...i'm sorry if this is politically incorrect, but nobody from Europe deserves any of it, unless they can prove they can be a benefit to our country, society and well being of our people and not simply swan in through the wide open gaping borders we presently have, in order to just reap the benefits of what other Brits have built here.

I'm sure you won't agree OP, but it doesn't matter if you do or don't...the practical truth of what Farage is saying remains the truth.

a reply to: crazyewok

The xenophobia is evident from blaming immigrants for traffic to fearmongering to people about Foriegn languages on the Train...


Cameron is a classic elitest, Etonian type... He has little to offer but the status quo...
Miliband is better than the media paint him as, with some good policies...
He can't eat a Bacon sandwich? His father hated Britain? And you don't see that as agenda driven right wing nonsense.
Is he two term worthy? Probably not, but I see no problems giving him four years to fix the NHS.



Proof of the Farage facade?
I just need to look into his eyes & hear his rhetoric to come to that conclusion.
When everything is blamed on immigration, it's quite clear where he truly stands.
He lied about "millions of Romanians" & he is a proven liar because of that.
If you want to trust him with your Country, good luck to you.


Who hasn't shown evidence of that?
The media? So what.

Do your own research and you'll see plenty of immigration debates prior to Farage's rantings were publicised as fresh politics.

a reply to: MysterX

I'm not disagreeing with the need for less lax immigration rules and regulations. I've never disagreed with that. What I do do not agree with however, is the validity of Nigel Farage. 100% con artist. Look at the friends he keeps. You can tell a lot about a man by the people he associates with.

On top of that, he wants to frack the hell out of the country and could well be a Freemason.


He's definitely not to be trusted. He's telling the British public EXACTLY what they WANT to hear. This has no bearing on what he will actually be like in office. To answer that question we must look more into who Nigel Farage really is. I'm going to be exposing him in 2015, running up to the general elections.

# this guy.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

He can't eat a Bacon sandwich?

Sure he can, but the reason why it has become a talking point is that Miliband is Jewish...who isn't supposed to eat pork.

I personally don't care if he's Jewish and has a Hog roast every week, but some people would probably see this as utter hypocrisy..which isn't a good sign in a potential Prime Minister.

a reply to: MysterX

I don't even eat pork and I'm a Christian. It's filthy meat. Full of parasites and undigested harmful compounds from the pigs diet. It's just disgusting. Once you fully realize how disgusting pig meat is, there is no way you can even cook the meat without wanting to throw up, let alone eat it.

They are wonderfully intelligent animals but we shouldn't be eating them. If you eat bacon every morning you're probably shaving off a couple years from your life. FACT(probably)

a reply to: TechUnique

So you agree that the policies are generally OK...but the talking head isn't?

I don't claim to know him in any meaningful way in the slightest, but i will say he has the right stuff in the courage department, whether or not he's like the majority of politicians and is corrupt to the core, i couldn't say one way or the other...but then as i say, aren't most of them cynical, conniving swine?

Which begs the question, why are you focusing your vitriol and energy solely on Farage and not working your nuts off exposing Cameron or any of the other dribbling, power crazed muppets in the politics 'show'?

I'm sure you'll find suck-ups, liars, hypocrites and out and out terrible people in every political movement...i don't care for personality based politics...if one of them is shown to be dodgy, i believe they should be held accountable for whatever they've done against the public good - whichever political flag they wave...for me, the policies are where it is at, and how those policies might affect my family and the Good of Britain on the world's stage.

a reply to: TechUnique

FACT(probably)

LOL.(actually)

I LOVE pork...favourite meal in our family is Chinese pork stir fry...Hmmmm...very, very tasty and the meat is cooked for a LONG time, until it falls to bits if you even look at it too long...making me hungry now.

so what? half the royals are german and nobody cares.

a reply to: MysterX

If you check my YouTube channel I have an Anti David Cameron video and multiple other videos outing people like Obama, Tony blair, George bush, Gordon brown etc as the New world order.

Yeah I agree with a decent chunk of the policy to a certain extent. The problem is interpretation. There is a lot in the policy that can be interpreted differently than what the public believe it to be, after he has got into power. I haven't got time to really get into that now, but I will in videos running up to the elections though.

If people vote UKIP in, it will just fast track what David Cameron and all the other politicians have been doing for decades, if not centuries.

The think with UKIP is, with everything they are proposing to to.. if they use those things in a bad way.. we have a disaster on our hands.

For instance, when he 're-writes' our human rights will he allow fracking under peoples homes? What else will he change, Who will be defined Human? You don't know. He is a big proponent of Fracking, that should ring enough alarm bells.

On top of those minor points, he also classes people like me as immigrants basically. My Grandad is Jamaican so because of that I'm a 3rd generation immigrant or whatever. Know what that means? I am last in line for any social care if I need it.

That, is disgusting. It is disgusting to deny people of provisions anyway, but if you're going to allow it only to British Citizens, why am I a second class citizen?

UKIP supporters will loudly shout that it's not a racist issue, but if you are not blind you can clearly see the intent behind this. It would start a class (and possible civil) war of massive proportions.

We literally, cannot, ever, let this party get into power. It will be the end of Britain. (What's left of it anyway)

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
so what? half the royals are german and nobody cares.

Sorry lad, but some people do care.

a reply to: MysterX

Jews do not have to practise Judaism.
Add to that Miliband is an Athiest.


So I don't see the hypocrisy myself.