MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

But it is negative attention. Awkward, elephant in the room type of negative attention

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
Its a duh.

I guess I should have just said "DUH" when you argued against that. But then - how would that help me learn to formulate my thoughts? It doesn't really matter whether you keep your position or run in circles, changing it repeatedly, I still get to work on my development either way.

Oh I do not think I am confusing anything. You just keep changing the topic to different things. Now the topic is class. And your the one talking to me, bestride all my efforts to make you not talk to me...

It was a minor point in my post which you chose to pick out and argue. It was in reference to women who have "class" not being materialistic and superficial, and that they actually exist in the world. Why did you pick it out to challenge if you did not want to?
Efforts to make me not talk to you? Is that what responding and and asking me what I mean are?
You are mistaken about what kinds of acts will get you what you intend.

Success...Intent...Goal..Those are all for the most part personal concepts.

Yes, they are. Not all people have the same intents, be they men or women, and whether they are successful can only be measured according to what they personally intended.

No offense but I dont want to argue in circles

Earlier, you wrote:

Ah you see there I to can turn things around...Round and round we go.

The circling was YOUR CHOICE of behavior, and you were quite proud of it before. Don't blame me for you choosing to do something, then changing your mind.

I asked you over and over, what is it you want or trying to say? I mean I already told you...You are you...And I am me...And like everybody else who are individuals and singularities.

So now you circle around to oppose yourself again. "All women are this, there is no exceptions, all men are that, there is no exceptions..." I disagree and argue that there can be differences between individuals, an you end up saying this as if you'd been saying it all along???

Round and round we go, eh? You disagree, then you agree, again and again....

a reply to: Salamandy
What are you talking about dude? They can not possibly be that overweight.

Or! Ever heard the phrase no publicity is bad publicity. I think that females think along those lines when it comes to attention...Or really who cares. If there not actually getting in your face and bothering you, then just ignore it if you have an issue with it.

a reply to: Bluesma
You know what. For some reason you starting to make sense...Kind of, but it still does not matter. No offense, but I think I have thought to much on this already. And considering that its not much, it really is puzzling.

No offence but it really does not matter who is right or wrong. I mean I know I am right, but in your own way you could also be right as well. Obviously we can not both be right. One of us has to be wrong, not because it matters who is right or wrong. But because just to get this whole thing over with and move on.

So, if you were a man. Whatever you issue and opinion this would be easy to solve. I would just challenge you to a duel and beat you up and take your lunch money. But since your a woman, I cant do that. And so, I have come up with another idea on how to find out which of us is right, and which wrong. Lets play a game, if I win, then you need to accept that I am right and you are wrong and quit trying to spread your disinformation onto me. And if you by some wayward change actually win, then I will agree that you are right, whatever that is you are talking about and do as you say....OK.

So unless you got some other game in mind, since there were a few I seen online, I think there was a game online about hitting kittens with a hammer like wack a mole only more funny, but I cant find it now and it was not multyplayer.

Anyways, I challenge you Bluesma to a duel at internet chess. Do you accept?

Or are ya chicken.


I found this site, Internet Chess. I even made an account ie SirSmacky. Its free, so it should suit this purpose. Though not now, I am to sleepy and I need to go look up how the game is supposed to play, I only remember the horse goes in a L shape on the board, and the rest of the moves, but I need to be sure.

So unless you got another game, lets get this over with and find out which of us is right. And which wrong.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

That is not something I want to do.

I am not interested in who is right or wrong, winner or loser.
I debate with others in the intent to pull from it mutual benefit.
Meaning, we both "win" higher self awareness.
In a debate, we both are forced to analyze our perceptions, thoughts and ideas;
to know more clearly what they are, why they are, and how they influence our choices and acts.
I don 't need you to agree with me for that, nor do you need me to agree with you for that.

You have repeatedly tried to find out what I think of you, how I judge you..so I will reflect on that and offer my perception. It is only that, and I am quite aware that I may be way off.

It seems to me that you oppose ideas simply out of a desire to oppose and challenge- not because you really have any clear opposing view.
Thus, you change position according to whatever view you perceive as the "stronger" one, hoping to "win", and assuming I am doing this for the same reason and that I will also jump to oppose you no matter what... even turning against my own original opinion, just to remain adversary.

The source of your mistake is in the assumption of my intent.
Though all women and all men are not alike, this does seem to be a difference that is very common between the majority of men and women, and a great source of misunderstanding.
Where you see a competition, and the need for a winner and a loser,
I see an exchange, in which each benefits and grows.
It is not because a woman refuses to bend down and submit, hierarchy-style, that she expects the man to!
We can both stand tall and face each other as individuals with our own personal sovereignty intact.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

i love russel peters! sorry for the interruption. continue with your regularly scheduled stereotyping.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I have heard that line before. Makes me think of prostitution in this case. I mean, who are these women (and men sometimes) trying to sell their faux youthful sexy image to exactly? Just themselves? I don't buy that for a second. No, there are serious ego related mental # going on and it borders on insane. Certainly mAkes society a drag a lot of times.

Oh, and these same people do tend to get in your face with their constant loud babbling as though anyone wants to hear about their lives because they are just so unique. Again, messed up ego thing going on.

a reply to: Bluesma

Reading about some of the things you have to say about Latin cultures I think we could learn a lot from each other, not bottling things up for example, that sounds very reasonable to me and has always been a personal policy in my own life.

I've never been to France myself but I imagine that I'd probably like it as perhaps somewhat of a compromise between the fiery Latin cultures and the Germanic ones. Though, to be honest I'd probably feel quite alienated being from such a reserved and aloof culture myself and being largely introverted to boot.

a reply to: Dabrazzo

As someone who is a male and a part of this younger demographic, I can confirm what you are saying. It is frustrating and a bit saddening to see how both young females and males generally show no interest in things that are of any importance. Twitter, Instagram, Vine, etc are all pumping young minds with celebrity idolizing bs and other nonsense.

To be put simply, IMHO, It seems much of media is loaded with propaganda designed to taint a young woman's self worth and moral values.

In turn this turns us men into a bunch of non trusting, jealous, insecure wrecks. Media has us thinking our girl will cheat on us so easily.

Bummer is, it works! If you give in and expose yourself to this madness, the poisonous thoughts will ultimately manifest into the reality your trying to avoid.

a reply to: Bluesma
Exactly...And like I said, it does not make one iota of a difference. If we played that game or if not, if I won or if you won or who cares, or anything else. It really does not matter. The only thing it would solve is now I can quit bothering with this. Besides, I figured you gonna do like the french at the battle of Waterloo and...

In a debate, we both are forced to analyze our perceptions, thoughts and ideas; to know more clearly what they are, why they are, and how they influence our choices and acts. I don 't need you to agree with me for that, nor do you need me to agree with you for that.

Exactly but a debate actually accomplishes even less. Especially among females, look at government, the whole thing is based on the female mental process and how far has any of it gotten? Democracy anyone? Even you talking and chatting or agreeing among your other girl friends or guy friends does nothing, but create a false bubble world were you all believe your right. And that only lasts as long as you dont have to test out that theory. So ya! even that depends on the different sex you are. And it will effect them differently. But in time it will effect them, of that there is no doubt.

You have repeatedly tried to find out what I think of you, how I judge you..so I will reflect on that and offer my perception. It is only that, and I am quite aware that I may be way off.

Listen I can respond to you, or any of that. But that to is pointless, I was not joking or kidding when i said we may be in a different dimension. And for all its worth, ya it may as well be that. And each and every day, and each and every year, that moves ever on. So tomorrow I may not be the same dude I was today, and next year...Hell no. So really, one day it just may come to be that we have very little in common except for the fact that we both are made of meat...And in the future even that may not be true.

Here just ran into this on the Facebook. Robot worm, give it a few generations and ghost in the shell may be a reality for some of us. Its cool stuff.
Science Alert

It seems to me that you oppose ideas simply out of a desire to oppose and challenge- not because you really have any clear opposing view.

NO. Its just that your are clueless on a lot of things. And I am not just saying that to be mean or anything. It's simply a fact, and some things that you seem to get upset over mean nothing to me, and some things you say obviously piss me off, mostly because you seem to think there true. And, well does it matter.

Thus, you change position according to whatever view you perceive as the "stronger" one, hoping to "win", and assuming I am doing this for the same reason and that I will also jump to oppose you no matter what... even turning against my own original opinion, just to remain adversary.

Your so far off its just headshaking facepalm embarrassing. I really dont know what to say. Read the top of the page again.

The source of your mistake is in the assumption of my intent. Though all women and all men are not alike, this does seem to be a difference that is very common between the majority of men and women, and a great source of misunderstanding.

You dont say. Oh ya! You really dont say.

Where you see a competition, and the need for a winner and a loser, I see an exchange, in which each benefits and grows. It is not because a woman refuses to bend down and submit, hierarchy-style, that she expects the man to! We can both stand tall and face each other as individuals with our own personal sovereignty intact.

Like I said before. And many times I believe in other threads as well. It does not matter...Literally, Figuratively and anything else you can put it as. The whole point of me asking you to duel in an internet game was to get you to see how little any of this matter. Even if you won, or I won, or anything or if you did not play...None of it matters. It all may as well just be words on a screen...And really that's what it is. In fact even if you wanted it to matter, you would not be able to make it so, not now, and not in a million years.

And so! Ya I agree with you. That whole competition hierarchy thing, well all of that is in your head...Not mine. Gee I wonder why? Oh! No I dont. I have a pretty good grasp of the why of it all. Though I confess some things are not as I thought, albeit on in a small miniscule insignificant difference.

a reply to: Salamandy
Oh dude. Let me tell you a story. I once used to work parking at a stadium. Generaly when the big football games were on, you would get the big balers in there. There used to be this woman, she had a plastic face, you know hella cosmetic surgery. She always came with this girl, I would say she may have been 18years old if even that, and it looked like she was mixed race or not from the US. Anyways they always used to meet men older who looked more well off who also came in some sweat rides for the game.

It was only after the 3rd or 5th time that happened with a new guy each time, before this though hit me. "Dam shes a pimp"...So well. I could be wrong. But I have seen stranger things. Or who knows what is going on there. So ya! The problems you have my friend are really not in any way significant. If some woman wants to dress as skimpy as possible, and make a big deal about her rights and how men are dogs and all that. I could care less. I have plenty of other problems in my life then worrying about nonsense.

a reply to: undo
Oh the guy is funny. I got introduced to him from a Indian friend I have.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

What "matters" is different for everyone. It matters to me, to know myself and what is influencing my choices and acts, because my choices and acts influence my experience on this earth. I have a measure of power and responsibility for everything that happens in my life.

Without that focus and conscious programming, I would just end up blaming others for my situations and experiences, which does not change those situations, they only result in a lot of grumbling and complaining that leads no where.

Like men bitching about women and women bitching about men, that seems a waste of time and energy to me. But whatever. Sometimes that is easier to do than self analysis and working on self mastery.

I can assure you that nothing you have said has upset me, and I am sorry if anything I said upset you. I tried very hard to be respectful and not have that effect on you. I have definately "won" here, but that says nothing at all about you. I have won some more insight into myself and some power over my future. Because I value that, I will naturally hope you did too... but if it is not what you wanted to get out of it, then I hope you got whatever you were looking for.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: Bluesma

Reading about some of the things you have to say about Latin cultures I think we could learn a lot from each other, not bottling things up for example, that sounds very reasonable to me and has always been a personal policy in my own life.

I've never been to France myself but I imagine that I'd probably like it as perhaps somewhat of a compromise between the fiery Latin cultures and the Germanic ones. Though, to be honest I'd probably feel quite alienated being from such a reserved and aloof culture myself and being largely introverted to boot.

I think all cultures could benefit from something in every other culture! It is just like with individuals- we are bundles of characteristics, ideas, beliefs, and when we meet another, some of those things are useful to adopt and learn from, and others to just leave, (as they might not be compatible with the systems you already have running in you).

I think the latin cultures are right about the problem of oppressing emotion- and that is something that I find very difficult to change- I don't trust emotions to the extent they do.
But I have also found that they seem to have more emotion than I do.... now that sounds weird, but I observe that they use thought forms and practices which have for effect to provoke and stimulate emotion. (and when I say emotion, I mean the actually physiological reactions of hormones).

Most of my concepts and ideas are chosen precisely because they limit the creation of emotion, so I have less to restrain anyway. Like the whole concept of "forgiveness" which I have because forgiving someone inside makes me feel more calm, happy and have less negative chemical reactions in my body. They don't see any value in that concept, culturally.

The subject is fascinating to me, but I don't want to lead off topic- in my head there is a connection with what I am saying and this problem between men and women. Because my personal view is that this confidence and appetite for emotion is highly feminine in nature (why I often refer to these cultures as maternal - mamas are important figures for these people...). They feel that their emotions give them more quick and realistic evaluations of things than the intellect and reason.

I have to admit, in some cases, this can be true. In others, less true.

But I often refer to the relationship between France and America as a symbol of the relationship between men and women. France has for it's representative symbol, a woman (the Marianne)

When all our patriotic symbols are men.

-except the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the french... and note her eyes are blindfolded, liberty lies in the sensations of the body, not the thoughts of the head, it says.

-And we love to snear about them being weak, vulnerable, needing aid in the past, and obsessed with love and aesthetics,
and also fascinated by how they can eat as they do and not be fat or have as many health problems,
and other issues of more "physical" nature, which just don't seem to be problems for them (sex, for example).

I think both men and women have things to learn from each and share, and it isn't easy to do. We are faced with deep differences in value and perception that get challenged.

I think that people refusing to procreate is probably part of a natural evolutionary effect of over population, as in the studies I mentioned earlier here.
But the fact that there are people who DO have great partnerships, that are fulfilling... men who are very happy with a woman and find her a valuable source of support and love is, to me, proof that the judgement "it is just all the women have become too much of a pain in the ass) invalid. Apparently some are not. Apparently some men ARE able to interact with them and have them respond postively. So it isn't impossible.
But maybe people (men and women in general) have just gotten used to life being so easy they are too lazy to make the effort at relationships?

There might be a growing number of women in the US that don't want to make the effort to think, and men that don't want to make the effort to feel.

a reply to: Bluesma

What "matters" is different for everyone. It matters to me, to know myself and what is influencing my choices and acts, because my choices and acts influence my experience on this earth. I have a measure of power and responsibility for everything that happens in my life.

OK! I mean it makes no sense. But its good you have a measure of power and responsibility for everything that happens in your life. I mean many do not, and if you are to believed. At one point you as well did not. But really, I still dont get it. Its just words you know, they mean nothing even if you wanted them to.

Without that focus and conscious programming, I would just end up blaming others for my situations and experiences, which does not change those situations, they only result in a lot of grumbling and complaining that leads no where.

You know you like to insinuate a lot of thing...And yet...Well, its funny no. Who is blaming and who is saying what, or in your case kind of round about way saying it. Lets just say I have met and ran into plenty of women like you. I do not want to run into any more.

Like men bitching about women and women bitching about men, that seems a waste of time and energy to me. But whatever. Sometimes that is easier to do than self analysis and working on self mastery.

Oh its a waste of time, kind of like going to see a psychiatrist is a waste of time. Like I said there is a lot of bad blood out there. And some that is coming your way in this game of life, will be like a mountain compared to a mole hill. But the truth is. YA its a waste of time, either way none of you can do anything about it but react to things when they happen. And even if the sexes complexity split and go there way slowly over time and in some distant future...Such is life.

I can assure you that nothing you have said has upset me, and I am sorry if anything I said upset you. I tried very hard to be respectful and not have that effect on you. I have definately "won" here, but that says nothing at all about you. I have won some more insight into myself and some power over my future. Because I value that, I will naturally hope you did too... but if it is not what you wanted to get out of it, then I hope you got whatever you were looking for.

That's good. Its was one of my goals. Things one day, well not likely in your time but one day. Things may get complicated. Consider this...Practice. After all if you get frustrated or even waned by this stuff, over the internet of all things. What would happen when it actually hits you in real life...Oh ya! Like a deck of cards...Ashes ashes...We all fall down.

So I take it. Now your done doing whatever you were on about bothering me and such. Cool stuff Bluesma...Se around this site...Hopefully though, not any time soon.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
Now your done doing whatever you were on about bothering me and such. Cool stuff Bluesma...Se around this site...Hopefully though, not any time soon.

Oh stop that... each time you find me in a thread, and start making comments to me, and I answer, you claim I am "trying to do something to you". There's obviously some sort of ambiguity on your part here. If you do not like exchanging with me, then simply don't start to anymore.
This is one of those things some self analyzation could help you with- why do you go and engage in actions you already know you will regret? Be true to yourself, remember this moment and next time you see me active in a thread, just pretend I am not there and do not post to me. Have a better day that way! Ciao!

originally posted by: Expat888

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Single straight conservative white men are the most oppressed minority in America. Well from reading ATS that's the impression I'm getting. What a whiney, paranoid sorry excuse for men, some are here .Jealous of the fact they haven't been persecuted for their race or sexuality and can't have their own movements or parades. It's pathetic, no wonder women arnt interested in you. Your still craving for your mother to call you her "special little soldier" and tell you what a tough little guy you are.

Have ex-wives in u.s .. europe.. and asia .. two are diagnosed sociopaths .. six cheated .. three died .. last two mistook me for a walking a.t.m ..
Dont need the lies.. deciet and bull# from women and refuse to put up with it. And no Im not a white male am japanese . So take your politically correct feminist inspired drivel and shove it .. women are far from being the damn saints that you lot try to make them out to be ...

wow...!

Sorry to hear of your plight, and I TOTALLY agree !!!!

2 words that can describe the ongoing issue ..


Submitting .. and Obeying.. as per it says in 90% of ALL marriages vows....personally, for some of us, we've sacrificed our personal freedoms and lives while the other half s/o, always wants to last word...and gets it in court 90% of the time...

sorry ladies, it's just the way it was designed from the beginning...i'm just the messenger, not the author ..and until women can see how this is to their benefit, the MGTOW will continue ..

thus far, UK women have an edge over USA, in this regard, but, not much ..

a reply to: Bluesma
Actually no, it has been a trend lately, but its gone now. I dont know what it was but it had to do with french things, even in my real life it went on with such bizarreness at the end of last year up to the beginning of January. You just seem to be a bit part in that, in fact these threads were not the first I ran into you.

I even ran into you, well remember when ATS was ddosed and went down, it totally messed up my post, even my music vids I was posting the whole dam site was lagging badly, it did not even go through, and they removed some threads as well I think. But anyway, lo and behold the next day ATS was down, so I went to a website to see what everybody was saying, and lo and behold again, wannabe french person was there, really you are a blonde. That's hilarious, it was the first thought that came to my mind, "omg that's that ditzy blonde person who's full of herself, it has to be" I think your name started with a L and you were whining on something about something or other about not having ATS on while you were something or other yada yada.

But ya! Just remember, your the one who keeps responding to me, I think I pretty much did everything to make you go away. And it seems to have worked, besides I did learn a lot more then I would think on chatting with you in these various threads, I learned that I am more right then I know, and that you people really are clueless in a lot of ways. So! In all its a whatever thing, all is well, and everybody can carry on now.

So ya! # happens, it was not the first time or the first hundred, were situationist happened to me for a period that involved a motif being repeated over and over in my life, like the guys on this site with the whole 11:11 thing, only much more bizarre and I expect it will happen again like always. But anyways, why are you still talking to me? Should you not be watching Jerry Lewis reruns or something, I heard he is quite popular up there were your at. Because really I have wasted enough contemplating the disinformation which you spewed and for some reason seem to actually believed. None of it exists really.

Its probably more female bubble realities which only exists in there head because its supported by the fact that there females ie purely biological and held together by duct tape and the fact that they will not likely have to test it out for themselfs, and when they do, man does that house of cards fall fast. A interesting bunch of theories you have there on just how females are or supposed to be and the world. But like I said, I have heard of them, but I have never seen them.

Be true to yourself, remember this moment and next time you see me active in a thread, just pretend I am not there and do not post to me. Have a better day that way! Ciao!

I plan to. But I sometimes and forget all these names and avatars people have and constantly change, Its not like I bother remembering this #, so I respond anyways. If I do it again, its likely because I forgot who you were.