2 NYC officers dead in ambush-style shooting

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: myartisstrong

...And not just monetary penalties for wrong doing, but monetary incentives for good behavior. "Hero cop saves child from car accident, awarded a $5,000 bonus on his next paycheck.

The day that police get incentives to be good Cops is the day I give up on humanity.



The ideology of protect & serve shouldn't be upheld with bribery.

Beat me to it. Protecting and serving is an honor. Paying what amounts to bounties cheapens that.

This is a terrible tragedy. NO ONE DESERVES TO BE SHOT DOWN IN THE STREET LIKE A DOG!
And anyone recommending attacks on police officers is a criminal themselves, imo, and give harm to the legitimate movement to apply justice to police killings of civilians.

The vast majority of cops are decent and just people who are brave and have a dangerous profession.
These are young good people who risk their lives to protect society.

In no way should any one in the movement to get justice for the two events in NY and Ferguson be happy that this murder occurred to two brave young people

It hope it has no relationship.

Unfortunately cops in NYC have been murdered often so this has probably, we hope, nothing to do with the other matter.

What we should do in instances like this is to transcend the rights issue with a massive appeal to stop the general violence in America.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
This makes me sick, people need to stop with the vitriolic hate mongering aimed at the police.

This is a horrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened and I feel heartbroken for the families of the two officers... however a tragedy does not mean that we should ignore a major problem. People also need to stop the vitriolic hate mongering aimed at black Americans and stop accepting profiling. It wouldn't matter if 99.9% of cops were racist pigs, these two officers didn't deserve to die just for sitting in their patrol car, it's wrong to assume they are 'just like all the others'... and it's wrong to assume all black people are guilty of something. Too many people are passive on profiling, ultimately it's hurts us all to allow it.

@butcherguy:

All this type of thing can accomplish is an increase in the power of the police state.

That is the mentality of a slave. The fact that there is a police state is a problem and the root cause of this tragedy, not that it excuses it... violence let alone murder isn't the correct way to react, protest is, we as Americans shouldn't let this tragedy be used as an excuse by the government to crack down harder.

originally posted by: arjunanda
Well if they don't want to pay to have Effective and Safe Law Enforcement, then so be it. It's just it seems like A Small Percentage of Police are causing Big Societal Problems and they should probably be doing other things rather than dealing with the public with Deadly Force Backing Up their Decision Making Abilities or Lack There of. IOW It's Not A Lot of people causing this and a little time talking to a psychiatrist each year would probably identify them quickly and let them move on to doing something else with their lives, they'd probably be much happier as well in The Long Run. Peace

Arjunanda a reply to: Lyxdeslic

Can I use an analogy?

You go to the doctor because you have a wart on your forearm.

All of a sudden the doctor want you to undress and have you bend over.

Wouldn't you think WTF?????

Well thanks to the brainwashing of the MSM and the Feds, are we all not looking at the police state in the same manner as the above doctor was to treat a wart?

Police tactics are not only taught by the government but approved by the government!

a reply to: myartisstrong

Seriously?

I thought the whole Oath was to protect & serve?



The SC messed up with that decision.


To enforce the Law should be a given.


I'm confused by that.


Thanks for the info.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

Were doomed people......plain and simple

I refuse to believe this. I won't let the media or the gaseous airbags they put on the air and give exposure to run or ruin my life or influence my opinions or decisions, and there are many other people who see that this is exactly what they are trying to do.

Sure there are horrible things happening. But the unhorrible things still outweigh the horrible by a wide, wide margin.

a reply to: Lyxdeslic

I've spent days in jail because my bank made an error on a 40 dollar check, I had proof and they still locked me up and forgot about me. I'm not a criminal and I do not trust the police.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It's wierd, I remember a young girl on Twitter said she wanted someone to assassinate Obama and secret service were soon at her front door.

Source.



These threats should have been taken more seriously.

Yeah I remember that too, and there have been other instances.........I just cant make it compute......how did it just slip through the cracks? How could anyone NOT say anything.......so sad

a reply to: Shamrock6

& the people do appreciate that even if you don't hear it enough.



To be honest I'm all for Raising the wage of Police, Nurses & Firefighters...
In the UK & the States.


But as you said they could just become bounty hunters if it's solely about monetary gain.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

www.nytimes.com...

Yup... 'fraid so.

originally posted by: myartisstrong
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

I've spent days in jail because my bank made an error on a 40 dollar check, I had proof and they still locked me up and forgot about me. I'm not a criminal and I do not trust the police.

Who put you in jail?

The police? (the instrument of justice) or the judge?

Your hatred and mistrust is misplaced. The police are nothing more than the equivalent of the enforcers of the judicial system created by our law makers, (politicians)

Just as our military are the enforcers of the Federal government. They might not agree with what they are forced to due, but they do it!

Time for Americans to realize where they need to point their fingers!

originally posted by: Maluhia
Know someone in NYPD - it was two female officers. One on force for two years, one for 7.

When will we learn this kind of stuff doesn't solve the problems?

Your sources appear to have been wrong.

NYPD officers killed in Brooklyn shooting identified as Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos

a reply to: neo96

Thta's not the way out of this bro

Your just brewing more pain

a reply to: Kali74

Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?

Thread about two cops getting killed and here we are reading about how we shouldn't forget about profiling, racism directed towards blacks, police state, etc.

My God people when are we going to stop the violence.

It could be done,
In Japan the have a few murders a year

Japan, the land of Karate and WWII!

How do they do it?

The violence HAS S TO STOP OR IT WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY

This isn’t just an inner city black thing anymore, it never was


Think of the lone killer white young men and then they run off in the woods for a few days…all the serial killers loose

Look at the shows on tv: snap, id channel, murder all day long!

The spree killings all over

Something has got to be done

the soul of this country is being murdered

[a reply to: loki41872

Your sources appear to have been wrong.

Yes, and some pages back I corrected that...they were mistaken

a reply to: Shamrock6

What was the motivation of the murderer? It's opportunistic to talk about the root of why it happened? Sorry I'm not an idiot, so I don't believe that not talking about a problem will make it go away.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Kali74

Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?

Thread about two cops getting killed and here we are reading about how we shouldn't forget about profiling, racism directed towards blacks, police state, etc.

The police state should be the discussion, not race don't you think?

As much as I have been defending you honest LEO's, for you to bring up the police state truly baffles my mind!

So are you as a LEO denying our police have been militarized?

originally posted by: navione
I was born and raised in Brooklyn NY . Bushwick to be exact during that time bushwick Brownsville bedstusy
These were some pretty rough neighborhoods in the mid 80's to the mid 90's with the crack epidemic these area's looked like bombed out war zones. Since 2001 there has been lots of gentrification and rebuilding into these areas. I bring this up only so my point comes across not as someone looking to instigate but someone with
A history and knowledge of the ghettos of NYC.

The last 3 /4 weeks I have never seen or felt the vibe I'm getting now. The poor ethnic people living in the ghettos of NYC are frustrated ,angry and I would say opportunitcly violent or prepared and or preparing for it.
Let me explain. I don't see this ambush vigilantly thing escalating but I do believe that if the situation
Became available for whatever the reason some maybe willing to do something stupid,crazy,violent,destructive
Obviously there could be a million different reason for a person to decide to act or react. I just have a feeling that more then ever the reaction is going to be one of violence toward authority . The people in the ghetto
Feel like the are being pushed out there neighborhoods by gentrification . Rents have doubled and in some cases tripled in areas that 15/20 years ago your couldn't pay a person to live. It's very common for cops to treat the
Newer people coming to this area with more respect and courtesy then someone who was has been in the area
Back when no one wanted to live there. NYPD have always treated classes and races differently but for many of these people they never left the neighborhood so they didn't deal with classism oftent. But now when it's your neighbor and the cops treat them 100 times better then they treat you or members of your family. Well now it's an in your face reality you experience regularly its something you have to deal with.

I don't condone violence exept in self defense but for some of these people they fell its self defense not just from immediate personal harm but for there fight for survival and there way of life. Most feel there is no way out so they imbrace there position and find a way of making it tolerable and sometimes even OK.
But now they feel not just forgotten but now almost unwelcome in areas they were born and raised in.

For along time after I finally moved out of bushwick I didn't want to go back. I just wanted to forget it.
Now that I am older I visit old friends and family and these are people that have been there 20/30 years .
People that were there as children who are now raising there children. All the changes are effecting them and
The police are the enforcers of some of it so they will be the first to feel a backlash.

Pardon me for picking on you but your comments on the resentment of the police by the people who lived in the neighborhood sparked a thought.

I remember an episode of the old sitcom M.A.S.H.. One of the nurses had just gotten married and her new husband was at the 4077. Everyone conspired against Margaret to allow the nurse to have a conjugal visit with her husband before he was sent to the front. Margaret, of course, found out about the situation and punished the nurse. The other nurses complained to Margaret. Margaret replied, "Did you ever think to ask for my permission?" The nurses responded that they didn't think she would have allowed it. Margaret replied that they were right. But not because of requlations but because of the horrible way she had been treated by the nurses. The nurses replied "when did we treat you badly". Margaret replied, How do you think it feels to go pass your tent and hear you talking and know that you are not wanted. Did anyone of you ever offer me a lousy cup of coffee. Once both sides realized how they had been acting their relationship changed dramatically.

Now lets look at the situation with the cops in the newly gentrified neighborhood. How did the people treat the police before the gentrification. Did the people look at the cops with disdain? Would the people help the cops with cleaning out the drug dealers and others who abused the neighborhood. You have to expect the police to treat those who welcome them and help them better than those who scorn the police.

Let's face it, it is a two way street. It takes one policeman to stop and throw a football around with a lonely child to change the neighborhood (KC). It takes one woman to stand up and stop a beating of a person who had no chance to stop and accidentally hit a child (Det). It takes one hello or one time being understanding of the elderly when they hold you up either walking or driving. It takes us all to be compassionate towards each other to make the world better. But how many times do we just get angry and feel it is society's fault.

Like I said, I am sorry to pick on you, but I wanted everyone to see that we are all responsible for how our society acts. But, the truth is that I do not have the answers to fix our situation.

originally posted by: myartisstrong
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

I've spent days in jail because my bank made an error on a 40 dollar check, I had proof and they still locked me up and forgot about me. I'm not a criminal and I do not trust the police.

It's not the cops fault you were put in jail. It was yours and the banks. The cop just did what he was told to do. Your hatred is misplaced. And the vast majority of those who hate cops hate cops because they are criminals. Again, I know myself, my friends and my family are safe. We are not criminals. We don't associate with criminals, and when we are stopped or questioned, we are polite and non-judgemental. The dudes doin' his job.