Senate CIA Torture Report Released: "Mismanaged Dungeons"

a reply to: spiritualzombie

If you think that #e is the truth, and not just political fodder, then you are living in fantasy land. Any 'torture' that DID occur was minimal and only for a select few who wouldn't spill for much lesser perks, like food that their leadership couldn't see them eat and in one case, better digs...

Jaden

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: spiritualzombie

If you think that #e is the truth, and not just political fodder, then you are living in fantasy land. Any 'torture' that DID occur was minimal and only for a select few who wouldn't spill for much lesser perks, like food that their leadership couldn't see them eat and in one case, better digs...

Jaden

Riiiight. Totally minimal torture. I just go by what Dick Cheney said. He says the report is full of crap, just like you say, and that's good enough for me!

Dick wouldn't lie, right? I mean, again... He wouldn't lie again, right?

In ref. to my other post here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This author believes the same:
There’s No Way Bush and Cheney Didn’t Know

Like I said, Bush is not lying when he says that the appropriate members of Congress were told about the "techniques" being used for interrogation, but he lied when he said it wasn't torture, and it is likely both he and Cheney knew what was going on.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: spiritualzombie

If you think that #e is the truth, and not just political fodder, then you are living in fantasy land. Any 'torture' that DID occur was minimal and only for a select few who wouldn't spill for much lesser perks, like food that their leadership couldn't see them eat and in one case, better digs...

Jaden

What evidence do you have for your position, aside from your own political ideology?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Umm.. Ok, so your kid is flying on an air plane and it just got hijacked and is just about to slam into a building. However, that hijacking could have been prevented with a well placed rectal hydration and a few other torture techniques.. I am sure from your moral high ground, you would rather sacrifice your kid so that misguided terrorist can then move on to your neighbors kid. Whatever..

If it's about to slam into a building it's too late to do anything. On top of that we have proof that the information from torture is unreliable. Want to know how to prevent terrorism?

1. Don't spend your vast wealth to influence foreign governments into selling out their own people for your own benefit.
2. Don't invade countries in pre-emptive war.
3. Don't turn foreigners (in many of these cases non combat civilians) into heroes by putting them through unspeakable acts of depravity and pain.

Terrorism thrives when the political process fails. It's laughable that you speak this way of terrorism as an American citizen. We (I too am American) came about through terrorism. To the British our vastly inferior army that fought and died to rebel against the crown and everything it stood for used guerilla warfare, supply depot raids, and acts of sabotage. We did not fight conventionally and we were not fighting under the banner of a nation. We were regarded as terrorists by England and by our own standards today are still classified as terrorists. One mans terrorist who seeks to change the government is another mans heroic freedom fighter that is rebelling against oppressors. If you don't want these acts to happen then perhaps we should be looking to address things before they degrade to that point.

Just some food for thought. We executed Japanese, Germans, and Viet Cong as war criminals for doing to opposing soldiers less than what we have done to innocent Iraqi's that we just gathered up off the street. What we have done here is despicable and in response to what we now know heads are quite literally going to roll. It's just too bad they won't be of the ones who authorized and carried out such actions.

Fourth, given we are invading their countries often and are seen as terrorists to them, they then under your view have the right to kidnap and torture americans without due process? Right? RIGHT?

Many people never try and look at it from the other persons perspective. Everyone always believes they are the good guy, even when they aren't.

I've been a lot of rhetoric along the lines of "blame Obama" or "blame Democrats" even though this fiasco is owned by the GOP. Here is a trip back in time to 2004 when the Bush Admin. ordered the CIA to purge Democrats from the CIA, in the prelude to ordering torture tactics.

2004: Goss was 'given instructions' to purge Democrats from the CIA

WASHINGTON - The White House has ordered the new CIA director, Porter Goss, to purge the agency of officers thought to have been disloyal to President Bush or of leaking damaging information to the media about the conduct of the war in Iraq and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to knowledgeable sources.

"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."

One of the first casualties appears to be Stephen Kappes, deputy director of clandestine services, the CIA's most powerful division. The Washington Post reported Saturday that Kappes tendered his resignation after a confrontation with Goss' chief of staff, Patrick Murray….

CIA purge may be in the works

"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda."

Now we know what that agenda was.

originally posted by: ausername
I'm proud to be an American.... Wait, what?

Kinda hard to claim the moral high ground with revelations like these.

Extraordinary rendition wasn't any prettier... Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

Not cheap at all, check out the numbers here.

link id: CIA paid two ex-military psychologists $81 million to help design and run torture program

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I'm reading the report now. It's slow going because I keep wanting to swear and walk away in utter disgust. The level of arrogance, cruelty and above all utter stupidity displayed by the CIA beggars belief. The Bush Administration really was a moral vacuum.

See now, the torturers want to disturb you and that's why the report is released. We, the garbage gut consumers, eat it right up (exactly as they want us to). What are any of us gonna do about it? Nothin'.

Do you feel tortured having read it?

originally posted by: ItCameFromOuterSpace
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

No one can feed rectums like the CIA can.

LOL

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Oh hey, guys, hold up-- this just in...

Dick Cheney says the torture report is "full of crap"".

So there it is. Our beloved truth bringer has spoken.

See, now that's a torture tactic. Throws a wrench in the mind, causes doubt and confusion, puts the mind into conflict. Okay, it's full of crap. Let's all just forget about it then and move on to gingerbread cookies and tea.

Do you think they care...

a reply to: Masterjaden

Links or it didn't happen.

I would love to see that image that surely must exist of a group of detainees sitting around eating their Happy Meals, watching The Breakfast Club in their pajamas, and texting their loved ones back home.

I hear the DOD got them all new IPhone 6's for Christmas.

I really don't understand the right wingers that turn a blind eye to atrocity just because it's their party. we have evidence here of war crimes and all they care about is it's an attack on Bush. If it's Obama they are enraged. It's the insane retarded morally repugnant mind of the modern day republican.

originally posted by: masqua
A 6,000 page report gets whittled down to 525 pages for the public.

That's pretty damning in itself. Nothing like seeing 1/12th of an issue and pretending anyone is getting the 'Big Picture'.

And what happened to those IRS emails? the ones that were supposedly targeting a political party?

Yeah - this administration wants to make illegals legal, and they want to make criminals out of people who fought and served this country.

You detractors that are "horrified" and "ashamed" of your country because of what the CIA did? really? They didn't gang rape a minor, behead an unfaithful wife, or behead any of those detainees at Gitmo.

Yeah ... those people should have been treated better than animals ... really?

I aint losing a wink of sleep ...

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I really don't understand the right wingers that turn a blind eye to atrocity just because it's their party. we have evidence here of war crimes and all they care about is it's an attack on Bush. If it's Obama they are enraged. It's the insane retarded morally repugnant mind of the modern day republican.

Actually, the person who designed the ACA claimed it was the Democrats that were the retarded ones. (And us Republicans have always known that).

You can see it throughout this thread how you are promulgating the agenda of our nation's enemies. Its what retards do.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

You're going to compare IRS emails or amnesty for illegal immigrants to torture of innocent people? You're going to compare that to war crimes and crimes against humanity?

The Bush administration lies to us to get us into a war and tortures innocent people, collecting piles of false confessions to prop up their lies to the American people-- and you want to compare that sh*t to GD emails?

seriously? This is the insanity of the Republican Party. They all need a psyche evaluation. Not fit to govern. Not fit to even think rationally.

Putting emails on par with the torture of innocent people. WTF? Wow, 911 really mind-F'd republicans on such an epic level.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Don't forget leaking false information to the media about foiled plots in order to justify the programs. I'm sure we all remember crap like the underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber, or how about those unnamed acts of terrorism that we stopped, but we can't give any details on because it would compromise our intelligence network.

The CIA used the press as a weapon against the American people. The press went along with it. I am not sure who to be more angry with.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Don't forget leaking false information to the media about foiled plots in order to justify the programs. I'm sure we all remember crap like the underwear bomber, and the shoe bomber, or how about those unnamed acts of terrorism that we stopped, but we can't give any details on because it would compromise our intelligence network.

The CIA used the press as a weapon against the American people. The press went along with it. I am not sure who to be more angry with.

Exactly. All that sh*t and not a peep from Republicans. They suck it all down... Until someone mentions healthcare or amnesty, then they suddenly get angry and become constitutionalists overnight. They need a psyche evaluation. I seriously think their minds are gone.

All that FOX News, 911 fear, Muslim hate... and all those bogus lies... It fried their brains. And now, they just can't even think like rational people. They are so much more like nazi's than they realize. They look at war crimes and torture and it doesn't even phase them. Talk about healthcare for poor people though and they scream like mad men.

They are seriously insane.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I wonder if the enemies of the states will remember this report when dealing with American hostages. Can you imagine being in the middle east, getting kidnapped, force fed crap, raped by animals and all kinds of sickening degrading things they'll do before cutting your head off.

a reply to: whyamIhere

You're still taking it for granted that torture is an effective interrogation technique. It's not. It doesn't work. It has never worked. Life isn't an episode of '24'.