The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

I wanted to address the reason on why men are checking out from women. Did this article give data on how much men on a percentage wise are checking out or what the exact reasons were??

Well my theory is basically the modern woman in that age range given is to picky. This is made possible by the rise of online dating. where basically a woman can shop for a man. Men can theoretically do that as well but there not that picky. I think there is this idea for women now that there perfect guy or their ideal of a perfect guy is out there. An dif that guys has a quirk or two he is just not for them.

so if there is this feeling by men out there that women are just to picky why not check out.

originally posted by: InTheLight

You have the choice to turn to pornography to meet the needs deemed the most important, I suppose; invented by men to serve men and degrade women.

Yes, because women have NEVER looked at pornography... It is just a male hobby designed to degrade women.

Do women like porn as much as men?

a reply to: American-philosopher

A friend of mine said that he couldnt afford to get into a relationship. He said it costs to much to maintain her needs.

The more butifull the girl was the more it cost to maintain her daily needs.

a reply to: Indigent

Man, if I were to ever get divorced, I would not even consider dating again.

People now days are insane. I don't blame the younger generation of males. If I were in their position, with all that is happening in the world today, I would work and stay away from females.

I feel a bit frustrated at this point, with the feminism issue, because like many issues in American society, it is projected as a "global" issue- instead of one that is specific to the american culture!!!

No one around me has ever heard of Ritalin, nor of ADD (I have tried to bring up the subject ). I once tried to spur conversation on feminism at work and everyone just kind of looked at each other and said, "What's that?"
I described briefly, the concern for womens rights. They said, "you mean, like long ago, when women fought to have the right to vote?"

There is none of these actions mentioned in that article, on college campus's (which I didn't quite understand, some sort of consciousness raising on rape). I have three kids in the age group being described- each with partners they live with, long term and closely supportive relationships (they've known a much less complicated romantic life than I had at their age, except one son who had one bad experience).
The women here never had to fight for the right to the pill, to abortion.... and they don't find the muscular savages on Game of Thrones attractive.

That article mentioned something about France, but was TOTALLY misleading, in it's attempts to "globalize" this problem-

In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.

What it failed to include is that at the birth of a child, NO man is OBLIGATED to paternal responsibility.
Whether the mother is married or not, for any father to be registered on the birth certificate and public record, a man must go the mayors office within three days and claim fatherhood. No woman can claim a man is father and make him legally bound to any responsibility if he does not do this of his choice first.

Even though we were happily married, and had other children, each time my husband had to go alone and do this. What's more, there is no social pressure to do so! (which I found surprising) Men are not shamed with any notion of responsibility.


So- the law refer to in that statement is applicable to men who have CHOSEN willingly to accept parenting obligations and rights, and subsequently decide to do DNA testing- if your child is six years old, and has always known you as their father, and you decide to suddenly reject them as not yours, you are subjecting that child to a form of abuse and neglect. The laws stand there to protect the children from parents stupid sexual conflicts!

I read carefully here, and it helps me keep in touch with my natal culture. I am aware there seems to be an overbearing feminist trend over there. I have a brother on Ritalin (well now self medicating with plenty of other substances) who has never been able to hold a relationship with a woman, and another brother who lived on pot and video games until he was forty and finally found a woman he could relate to and marry.
My first child, born in the US, and whose father I was no longer with at his birth, I was simply asked who the father was, they wrote down his name for the certificate, and that was it. If he had wanted to deny it, he'd have to start a difficult legal battle he'd have to pay for.
So I am perfectly open to the claims of this cultural phenomenon in the US. But not so quick to swallow the claim it is a global phenomenon!!!

I also noticed the studies it compared with, done with mice, showed this effect happening as a result of overpopulation- not feminism. No mice were pushing any feminist agenda in those studies. So the author, if he wishes to equate this as a result of feminism, would do better to leave that study out of it....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: InTheLight

You have the choice to turn to pornography to meet the needs deemed the most important, I suppose; invented by men to serve men and degrade women.

Yes, because women have NEVER looked at pornography... It is just a male hobby designed to degrade women.

That was it's original intention, to serve men using and degrading women. These days, with women's varying degrees of sexual freedom, some women may opt to participate without judgement, by choice, if they so choose for varying reasons; one may be that they can satisfy themselves sexually. I would also not be surprised if those at the top of this industry (all men?) aren't trying to cater to women's sexual appetites and desires for the almighty buck.

a reply to: Bluesma

That article mentioned something about France, but was TOTALLY misleading, in it's attempts to "globalize" this problem-

the comment on France kids was made by what they portray as the representative of the men at that age, so you are commenting on the veracity of the article on the comment of someone else.

a reply to: InTheLight

Since you know this, then it should behoove you to update your thinking about it. Though you are wrong about its origins. Porn has existed forever. We have cave drawings of cave men (or women, we don't know what the gender of the artists were) in the stone age drawing porn. There are some other facts in that link you may want to educate yourself with since your words suggest you believe a few of those myths.

Ah, and now its feminists against neckbeards! I knew my reddit-reading would pay off (as I now have very easy ways to understand why and how some people are what they are).

Lets get readddy to fumble!

And yes, it was a waste of time. Funny, but a waste. I now know a neckbeard from 50 yards, a feminazi from a hundred and a fat person from a thousand..

*scnr*


Not Edit: You do realise that there are threads which only offer two choices: turn away or pick up some popcorn and watch the show?

a reply to: spy66

Yeah true there is that out there but it is also on the guy to not start that trend

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: InTheLight

Since you know this, then it should behoove you to update your thinking about it. Though you are wrong about its origins. Porn has existed forever. We have cave drawings of cave men (or women, we don't know what the gender of the artists were) in the stone age drawing porn. There are some other facts in that link you may want to educate yourself with since your words suggest you believe a few of those myths.

I could also cite historical cases of mistreatment of women from eons back, but that will serve nobody. Women up until recent times have been repressed sexually and in some countries are still repressed in more ways than that, but today I see that some porn is specifically directed at women's fantasies and desires, and I consider that a step in the right direction.

originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: spy66

Yeah true there is that out there but it is also on the guy to not start that trend

What? The guy has some responsibility?

I think the article is conflating several more or less unrelated issues and attributing them to radical feminism.

Too many young boys on Ritalin? Blame the DSM III, the DSM IV in particular and the drug companies that have encouraged the shift in psychiatric care toward one where almost any behavior can be described as symptomatic of some syndrome or another, with an associated pharmaceutical treatment. Lets not forget all those psychology majors who find employment as hack school psychologists or the ridiculous zero tolerance policies.

What about this crap?

"Nobody in my generation believes they're going to get a meaningful retirement. We have a third or a quarter of the wealth previous generations had, and everyone's fleeing to higher education to stave off unemployment and poverty because there are no jobs.

"All that wouldn't be so bad if we could at least dull the pain with girls. But we're treated like paedophiles and potential rapists just for showing interest. My generation are the beautiful ones," he sighs, referring to a 1960s experiment on mice that supposedly predicted a grim future for the human race.

Ah, radical feminism is to blame for the lack of meaningful retirement? Damn those women! Get back in the kitchen! "Dull the pain with girls?" Really? That's what women are to this idiot? Something to dull the of a poor employment situation?

This reads like the rantings of Elliot Rodger. Perhaps that's part of the problem? Whiners who think that they are just somehow entitled to female companionship and are so socially inept that they can't figure out how to successfully engage women?

Pathetic.

There are plenty of "man-hating" radical feminists out there but its far less of a problem than this drama queen would have us think. Grow a pair.

a reply to: Indigent

It sucks when the used to be second class citizens rise up and threaten your power?

Is that what we are talking about here?

I've seen women put up with a lot of crap from men.

I have a wife and 2 little girls and I have always worry that some jackass isn't going to come around and rape them while they get in the car. Just like a woman two blocks away from where I live got raped as she was getting into her car.

Don't blame the feminists. Blame the people doing bad things to women.

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: Bluesma

That article mentioned something about France, but was TOTALLY misleading, in it's attempts to "globalize" this problem-

the comment on France kids was made by what they portray as the representative of the men at that age, so you are commenting on the veracity of the article on the comment of someone else.

That article took a misinformed opinion, and instead of pointing out that "men in this age group are misinformed by anti-feminist propaganda, holding false ideas about the laws" (I read the original article that quote was taken from) it went on to leave it as an illustration of how young men feel oppressed and confused by the current laws. That is disingenuous.
The young men refered to are effected not only by the extremist feminist movement, but also by the opposing extremist position as well!!

But my point remains- the young men in France know about their right to claim or deny paternity without pressure,
so this was only used in this article (and the original one) to give non-french readers the image that this sexist phenomenon is global, not local.

a reply to: InTheLight

I'm not arguing against the progress that women have made in our society towards equality. I think it is a good thing and I would never deny that women had a bad lot back in the day. I just don't like feminism. It is just replacing male dominated society with a female dominated society. Why does one side need to dominate the other to begin with? Hence humanism. Humans dominate society.

Between 13 EX-wives .. divorce laws blatantly against men .. feminism .. best thing to do is avoid any serious / longterm relationships with women .. dont need the stress and aggravation ..
As to female company ... thats why theres bargirls .. short term .. no stress ..

With how things are these days theres no way in hell Id get into a serious relationship / marriage .. not about to pay for another divorce lawyers new house ..

There is definitely some demonizing of men, and unrealistic expectations in our culture, but we also treat many women as more financially shallow than they are. Demonizing goes both ways.

There is complete sexual confusion, as there's no more clear sexual identity or rules to courtship, everyone is left to find a way in an ocean of chaos. Is it any surprise some people (both male and female btw) are checking out? Is dangerous and confusing, one can't even flirt safely, and once again this can be true for both genders. Knowing how to flirt right is not an inherent skill, and in a chaotic society, the rules change constantly.

Everyone is individuals following their own individual rule sets and expecting everyone to understand them and being offended if the other person does not get their expectations. Both genders are guilty of this, but it's the nature of our current culture.

Feminism did help create this culture. Equality is good, but, now we need to find a way to deal with the ramifications of such a culture. We forget that courtship is confusing and hard on each other, and selfishly think only of ourselves. So busy thinking in terms of our individual needs we forget everyone else is sharing the same struggle confusions and frustrations as ourselves.

a reply to: grey580

It sucks when the used to be second class citizens rise up and threaten your power?

Well, i have never seen woman as a second class citizens, the ratio of woman to man in all of my academic activities from preschool to PhD have always been tipped towards women, the highest the degree the more woman to man there was (in the group i did my PhD there was 20 fellow woman to 5 men).

So again it seems there is a generational difference as the article says. So you are scared your daughter will be raped, aren't you enforcing the victimized schooling the article claims is being done to women?

Nowhere is this trend more evident than in Japan.

Males in Japan are increasingly becoming more and more distant from women. And I can tell you 100% that feminism is not to blame here in Japan. Heck, I don't even know if feminism exists here. The issue is with our increasing social obligations regarding relationships, and the preponderance of media that paints the ideal partner as something which is normally unattainable.

In Japan, the issue is worse because of the glut of games and sims which aim to replace a traditional relationship with the electronic equivalent. There are hundreds of dating sims circulating at any given time, and several of them even include "ecchi" or "hentai" elements to satisfy not only the emotional need for connection, but the sexual need as well. So, many men in Japan simply choose to abstain from real women, because the electronic equivalent never talks back, is never unwilling, is always excited to see them, and can simply be turned off when not wanted. The stresses of a real relationship becomes to much of a bother.

Society here has also played a role in that as well. Because of old societal norms, it's a little taboo for a woman to pursue a man romantically, it has be the other way around. So many women who have feelings for male colleagues are pressured by society to wait for him to make the first move.