BREAKING: No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer

a reply to: Greven

Read the 1st post I wrote on on page 12

Garner had a lengthy criminal record that included 30 prior arrests — at least one of which was for illegal vending, just a couple months prior to his death.

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Seems as though people have forgotten what thugs are. Aside from how the asshat police treat them of course.

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

If I use a restraining technique which is not allowed I get arrested for assault no messing, a co worker would report it due to our policies.
What the police officer did was at first assault then after him dying manslaughter.

I don't agree.
I wouldn't care if the cop was gouging his eyes, or any number of other harsh techniques to subdue someone that resisted arrest. When you resist arrest, you give up the right to complain about how you were subdued to be arrested, imo.

This cop is no more guilty of the guy's death than those that (tragically) die from being tazed that deserved it.

I disagree. We should have rights. The Cops aren't Gods who decide our fate. If cops are in the wrong they should be resisted. This is America, land of the free. NOT communist China or North Korea.

There are no rights at the moment of resisting arrest. Regardless of how you feel about the arrest, regardless of how justified the arrest is, there is no RIGHT to resist arrest. Your rights come afterwards. If the cop wrongly arrested you, he should have consequences to face afterward.

Resisting arrest is never a right. It can't be without total chaos.

I see what you're saying... but what about all the crooked cops who may or may not be trying to kill you or torture you first. I realize it's a small percentage but daily we, on ATS, read and see new reports of cops killing people all the time. The cops torturing people in Chicago...the cops in NY that raped the guy with a broom handle. I'm not down for any of that. What rights do those people have...It's not all cut and dry in the real world.

I just don't understand how, two weeks in a row, both cases involving LEOs and dead citizens - we have two failures to indict....if a DA wants an indictment, they get it.

Why are LEOs exempt from prosecution? Why are citizens powerless in the relationship with those charged with upholding the law? This is the very essence of civil rights.

Anyone still denying the existence of the Police State is living in fantasy land.

a reply to: amazing

If someone applies a triangle choke only you have seconds to defend yourself and seeing as this hold is potentially lethal in my country you probably would be legally ok to respond to it(if you know how to) with lethal force of your own.

a reply to: TiedDestructor

So what?
Oh I forget you guys have the death penalty now for petty crime.
Even then he should have been given a trail before being killed.

a reply to: neo96

The 'locals' you speak of are carefully, hand picked zombies who are fed some bullcrap about a head lock vs. a choke hold and basically just say whatever the prosecutor wants them to say...

How anybody can reasonably not question the lack of an INDICTMENT is beyond me. How does this not at least deserve a proper trial?

Its like these GJ's are not even real. Why would you choose not to indict and face resentment instead of just passing the buck to somebody else at a trial if you have your doubts...

There is a video for christ sake. Just because some brain dead sheep believe this is okay does not mean i do and damn right like minded people are pissed.

The entire system of prosecuting LE is broken.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

The cop should definitely have faced some kind of internal harsh review of how he handled the situation. But he didn't commit a crime, and he shouldn't be treated as a criminal.

Regardless, you guys need to consider that this Cop's life is ruined now. Neither he or his family is safe in the short term. They'll likely have to move to another state and he'll probably never be in law enforcement again. He'll have to go be a waiter or something somewhere. It's too bad that isn't enough to appease those of you on the cop witch hunt. You won't rest until he's behind bars as some kind of message sent to all underpaid and over worked cops in the country, right?

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

The cop should definitely have faced some kind of internal harsh review of how he handled the situation. But he didn't commit a crime, and he shouldn't be treated as a criminal.

Regardless, you guys need to consider that this Cop's life is ruined now. Neither he or his family is safe in the short term. They'll likely have to move to another state and he'll probably never be in law enforcement again. He'll have to go be a waiter or something somewhere. It's too bad that isn't enough to appease those of you on the cop witch hunt. You won't rest until he's behind bars as some kind of message sent to all underpaid and over worked cops in the country, right?

We just don't want to be killed, raped and tortured by the police anymore. That's all we want. We also just want to know that cops aren't above the law. That's all we want.

a reply to: TiedDestructor

It was an observation based on the video and this case taken alone. If he had a past violent history, that might change my opinion. As it stands, though, the article doesn't do much to change my perception. If past street vending is the charge they single out for mention, then most likely, his rap sheet, while rather lengthy apparently, is probably filled with relatively minor crimes.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I just don't understand how, two weeks in a row, both cases involving LEOs and dead citizens - we have two failures to indict....

This is the very essence of civil rights.

Anyone still denying the existence of the Police State is living in fantasy land.

I think people that really truly believe the cop in Ferguson should be indicted live in a fantasy land.

This particular case, however, is a lot more nuanced and complicated (to me, anyway).

a reply to: TiedDestructor

Yes lets roll out the fact he had a criminal history,of course he had a criminal history a guy selling cigarettes is obviously a grifter on the outer but isn't it the fact hes also supposed to be a human being with certain human rights,or is it ok to kill if they've shoplifted and have a dui?

a reply to: thrustbucket

And the guy he killed can never do any of that.
Can't kiss his wife goodnight nor his kids.
The cop will be thinking "hooray I got away from that one" he is a free man when he should be behind bars.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

The cop should definitely have faced some kind of internal harsh review of how he handled the situation. But he didn't commit a crime, and he shouldn't be treated as a criminal.

Regardless, you guys need to consider that this Cop's life is ruined now. Neither he or his family is safe in the short term. They'll likely have to move to another state and he'll probably never be in law enforcement again. He'll have to go be a waiter or something somewhere. It's too bad that isn't enough to appease those of you on the cop witch hunt. You won't rest until he's behind bars as some kind of message sent to all underpaid and over worked cops in the country, right?

We just don't want to be killed, raped and tortured by the police anymore. That's all we want. We also just want to know that cops aren't above the law. That's all we want.

I 100% agree.
Unfortunately there is no evidence in this particular case of anything you mentioned.

a reply to: mahatche

Now despite these cases would say there is still problems of racism in America?

Not as big as some people are trying to make it out to be.

Besides there's laws saying people can't be racist. So how the hell can there be 'racism'.

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

The cop should definitely have faced some kind of internal harsh review of how he handled the situation. But he didn't commit a crime, and he shouldn't be treated as a criminal.

Regardless, you guys need to consider that this Cop's life is ruined now. Neither he or his family is safe in the short term. They'll likely have to move to another state and he'll probably never be in law enforcement again. He'll have to go be a waiter or something somewhere. It's too bad that isn't enough to appease those of you on the cop witch hunt. You won't rest until he's behind bars as some kind of message sent to all underpaid and over worked cops in the country, right?

We just don't want to be killed, raped and tortured by the police anymore. That's all we want. We also just want to know that cops aren't above the law. That's all we want.

I 100% agree.
Unfortunately there is no evidence in this particular case of anything you mentioned.

They killed him with a choke hold. That's not right. That should be investigated and taken to trial. Probably the cop goes free, but at least the evidence is out there for the public to see, he's cross examined witnesses are brought forth and we can see that the justice system works.

I'm conflicted because I know that resisting arrest can't be tolerated. You fight it out in court if you think it's not rightful or lawful. Cops don't have time to be the jury or judge.

Then again, while Garner was resisting the STOP, he actually didn't resist the physical arrest. They just jumped on his neck from behind and then compressed his chest while he said he couldn't breathe over and over.

Where was a guy that big and overweight really going to go? And while he WAS a nuisance, and while he WAS breaking TAX law. Do we really need cops spending time on these calls or stops for an ARREST?

Can we just do citations for these acts?

a reply to: thrustbucket

Are you okay? So many contradictory statements...i believe there is a video of the guy being killed. Multiple videos. Do not sit here and say you agree, you just said youd be fine with the police gouging his eyes - so we all know who's boots you're licking.

a reply to: lightedhype

My guess is NYPD lol.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

The cop should definitely have faced some kind of internal harsh review of how he handled the situation. But he didn't commit a crime, and he shouldn't be treated as a criminal.

Regardless, you guys need to consider that this Cop's life is ruined now. Neither he or his family is safe in the short term. They'll likely have to move to another state and he'll probably never be in law enforcement again. He'll have to go be a waiter or something somewhere. It's too bad that isn't enough to appease those of you on the cop witch hunt. You won't rest until he's behind bars as some kind of message sent to all underpaid and over worked cops in the country, right?

We just don't want to be killed, raped and tortured by the police anymore. That's all we want. We also just want to know that cops aren't above the law. That's all we want.

I 100% agree.
Unfortunately there is no evidence in this particular case of anything you mentioned.

They killed him with a choke hold. That's not right. That should be investigated and taken to trial. Probably the cop goes free, but at least the evidence is out there for the public to see, he's cross examined witnesses are brought forth and we can see that the justice system works.

Serious question: Every time someone dies after a tazer gun is used on them, should the cop face criminal charges?

originally posted by: neo96


Besides there's laws saying people can't be racist. So how the hell can there be 'racism'.

yea.....ok.....