BREAKING: No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer

originally posted by: vor78

originally posted by: truckdriver42
Don't be a thug and you wont end up dead. Its that simple.

Sorry, but I really don't see anything here to suggest that the man was a 'thug'. A petty criminal? Perhaps. A thug? That's quite a stretch given the alleged crime here.

I'd say he'd had his share of "incidents" involving LEO

Garner had a lengthy criminal record that included 30 prior arrests — at least one of which was for illegal vending, just a couple months prior to his death.

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I'm not condoning the behavior of the police but "petty" certainly isn't a proper designation considering the "persistent" criminal behavior.

a reply to: seeker1963

You're alive for one thing, we're talking about an issue that involves a cop choking an unarmed, non-violent black man... to death and the larger context of how often black people are killed by cops.

I'm seeing a lot of "black" and "white" overlooking the full article. Figures.

I heard the audio of the footage on the radio today, and this case is NOT being blown out of proportion. The cop(s) were way out of line and deserve to be punished.

BUT, that article wouldn't be pasting "white" and "black" on the people involved unless it had a race-baiting agenda. We're seeing another police brutality issue turn into another "Omg its racist!" issue.

Just what we need. MORE uneeded racial tension and division. No one is going to target police. They're going to target the evil white people again.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's EXTREMELY tired of seeing this happen. Cops getting away with blatant murder and everyone blaming the racist whites.

Do I have to point out that this is yet ANOTHER black victim getting a lot of publicity while all the white people gunned down by cops in the past month or two are ignored and almost unheard of. I can't post the links right now because I'm on my phone, but I can post them later when I'm on my laptop if anyone wants me to.

This is getting old, media...

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: neo96

False narrative?

The NYCPD have been banned from using choke holds for 21 years...they kill a guy using one and they get off.
People can spin it all they like but I just see it as a policeman who committed manslaughter and got off.

Administrative policy violations and being illegal are two entirely different things.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: seeker1963

You're alive for one thing, we're talking about an issue that involves a cop choking an unarmed, non-violent black man... to death and the larger context of how often black people are killed by cops.

I'm alive?

Barely!

This SHOULD BE about a cop unlawfully killing another human being!

My life means nothing at this point. So don't patronize me by telling me I should be thankful to be alive!

Wow, what timing on this. The GJ ruling being released right when the tree lighting ceremony is to begin. Who organized the protest and why would they do it when people are going to be there for the tree lighting?

I thought the Mike Brown case was correct. That thug was the wrong guy to back, and he got his Karma.

Eric Garner though is another story.

I agree the guy was a public nuisance, like a homeless guy who hangs out in front of the same store and drives down business,

I agree he was doing something "Illegal". Though we let Illegal Immigrants get away with murder and don't even TOUCH them

He resisted the arrest process, but he didn't resist the physical arrest because some short guy jumped on his THROAT, how could he resist? And he didn't even resist then, he just went into protection mode and died.

This was still a tragic death. I won't say he 'died over cigarettes' because that's not accurate. But they do need to at least make it a fine, or ticket, and not an arrestable offense...I think...I dunno.

The fact that Millions of Illegals can walk free and this guy gets choked, bothers me. I don't know if this is justice, it seems a little heavy.

a reply to: thrustbucket

If I use a restraining technique which is not allowed I get arrested for assault no messing, a co worker would report it due to our policies.
What the police officer did was at first assault then after him dying manslaughter.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: neo96

False narrative?

The NYCPD have been banned from using choke holds for 21 years...they kill a guy using one and they get off.
People can spin it all they like but I just see it as a policeman who committed manslaughter and got off.

Yeah FALSE NARRATIVE.

Considering the Trayvon Martin shooting was all about race, and yet YEARS later no formal charges have been laid against Zimmerman.

Hell that case was such a 'slam dunk'.

The same with the Brown shooting.

And yet again the locals clear the cop in this one.

Apparently some people have no concept of what STATE rights means.

a reply to: seeker1963

Sorry, I thought we were having a discussion. I didn't quite realize you needed some sympathy. I'm sorry you've been harassed and you feel your life is # now.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

If I use a restraining technique which is not allowed I get arrested for assault no messing, a co worker would report it due to our policies.
What the police officer did was at first assault then after him dying manslaughter.

I don't agree.
I wouldn't care if the cop was gouging his eyes, or any number of other harsh techniques to subdue someone that resisted arrest. When you resist arrest, you give up the right to complain about how you were subdued to be arrested, imo.

This cop is no more guilty of the guy's death than those that (tragically) die from being tazed that deserved it.

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

If I use a restraining technique which is not allowed I get arrested for assault no messing, a co worker would report it due to our policies.
What the police officer did was at first assault then after him dying manslaughter.

I don't agree.
I wouldn't care if the cop was gouging his eyes, or any number of other harsh techniques to subdue someone that resisted arrest. When you resist arrest, you give up the right to complain about how you were subdued to be arrested, imo.

This cop is no more guilty of the guy's death than those that (tragically) die from being tazed that deserved it.

I disagree. We should have rights. The Cops aren't Gods who decide our fate. If cops are in the wrong they should be resisted. This is America, land of the free. NOT communist China or North Korea.

originally posted by: SloAnPainful
Wasn't aware that selling smokes makes you a "thug".

It seems to me that a lot of people, not saying here necessarily but definitely elsewhere, are using the word "thug" as a substitute for the N-word.

And it isn't just me:
Has 'thug' become a covert substitute for the N-word?
Richard Sherman: 'Thug' is accepted way of calling someone N-word

Otherwise, its use often doesn't make sense in the context of the situation.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Niemoller comes to my mind. But instead, I inserted my own nouns.

First they came for the Natives, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a Native.

Then they came for the Blacks, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not Black

Then they came for the Hispanics, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not Hispanic.

Then they came for me- and there was no one left to speak for me.

Very powerful, people should read and take heed

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Wow, what timing on this. The GJ ruling being released right when the tree lighting ceremony is to begin. Who organized the protest and why would they do it when people are going to be there for the tree lighting?

Maybe....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Greven

It absolutely has, a lot of people using it as a buzz word don't even realize it.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thrustbucket

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: thrustbucket

If I use a restraining technique which is not allowed I get arrested for assault no messing, a co worker would report it due to our policies.
What the police officer did was at first assault then after him dying manslaughter.

I don't agree.
I wouldn't care if the cop was gouging his eyes, or any number of other harsh techniques to subdue someone that resisted arrest. When you resist arrest, you give up the right to complain about how you were subdued to be arrested, imo.

This cop is no more guilty of the guy's death than those that (tragically) die from being tazed that deserved it.

I disagree. We should have rights. The Cops aren't Gods who decide our fate. If cops are in the wrong they should be resisted. This is America, land of the free. NOT communist China or North Korea.

There are no rights at the moment of resisting arrest. Regardless of how you feel about the arrest, regardless of how justified the arrest is, there is no RIGHT to resist arrest. Your rights come afterwards. If the cop wrongly arrested you, he should have consequences to face afterward.

Resisting arrest is never a right. It can't be without total chaos.

a reply to: thrustbucket

But what you have just said would be illegal.
Isn't their motto "Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect"? I didn't see any of that in the video and how the officers restrained him.
People have rights not to be harmed while being placed under arrest even when they resist.
I thought you guys in the states are all for rights.....
Only when it suits you eh?.

originally posted by: thrustbucket

Administrative policy violations and being illegal are two entirely different things.

Shouldn't be.

If police violate policy and it leads to the death or physical harm to another person it should be an illegal action. That is part of the problem, allowing police to use policy as a shield against prosecution in nearly any situation imaginable. And holding them accountable is the only way we'll ever be able to get them to change their attack first mentality.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: mahatche

Whites being mistreated is no justification for the dismissal of racism against blacks though.

So Trayvn Martin, Michael Brown, And this latest one is all about RACE eh ?

More like the media, and a certain group of people in politics. Cherry picking a few events to spin their false narrative.

Trayvon's case defiantly had some.

Zimmerman had a history of violence before trayvon, and since killing trayvon he's gone on to threaten 3 or 4 other people. He told one man "do you know who I am, I will kill you". He is a hero in some minds.

Trayvon threw fingers in pictures, and fought a man who chased him at night, that makes him a thug worthy of death in those same minds.

You don't think any racial undertones helped establish those portrayals? When I was a teen I did everything trayvon is called a thug over, and i grew out of them. I've never done any of zimmermans violent behaviors. Zimmerman is by far the bigger thug.

I don't know if gardner's case is racially motivated. Gardner broke up a fight, and sold some loose cigarettes, which made the cops act like he was a major threat. What inspired them to act this way?

I'm on the fence with the brown case.

Now despite these cases would say there is still problems of racism in America?