Evolution is a farce: Evidence

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Why is it that threads like this go on forever, but threads that actually produce REAL science die within 4 pages or so?

I would love to see just one of these threads that have produced any science at all. What it does produce is "STARS"

As you chaps love data, here is some realtime information.

I personally have created 82 stars (a veritable deity in my own right). New ones will probably pop into existence any moment now.

Dividing this over what I like to call the six pack,
I have generated on average a prolific 13.666 stars for each of you.

No please! you don't have to thank me, I think it is very important to lift peoples ego's and I really do enjoy elevating peoples spirits.

Complain about stars all you'd like but that's the way it is. For the record, I'm stingy with mine. Have you ever noticed how all almost every creationist youtube video has ratings and comments disabled, while the exact opposite is true for every scientific educational video out there? It's because the real world isn't buying that stuff anymore. Same reason why the rational folks that don't try to fight a war on science receive many stars. Similarly, science videos have millions of likes and creationists are either dominated by dislikes or their comments and ratings are disabled. It isn't a conspiracy, people are legitimately tired of the lies that these religions and mythologies have been shoving down our throats for the past thousand years.

a reply to: Barcs

people are legitimately tired of the lies that these religions and mythologies have been shoving down our throats for the past thousand years.

You are describing my very first bout of cognitive dissonance, but I personally decided to move on from that and attempted to discover the truth of reality for myself. I had to work very hard to sort the wheat from the BS and discovered the answers in a multidimensional universe.

It was with much gratitude for research done in Quantum Physics that created the link between spirituality and physical science for me, I can see it clearly now. Most scientists do not study our spiritual nature to the degree that they can make a connection.

The pendulum has swung to the opposite view for now, but as more is revealed about the quantum nature of our reality, the pendulum will settle in the middle and public opinion will change.

Soon I hope!

I feel another star coming on MMMMMMM Ahhhhhh that's better.

a reply to: Barcs

What do you mean there aren't that many people? Every time God made a decision that changed the face of humanity, humans were there to endure the punishment, EACH and every soul. Sure they are all dead, but they left documentation. There is no reason to assume every story in the book is true? No, there is no reason to assume any of it was made up. They were probably real as well, unless you know something that everyone else doesn't .

I'm sorry, Evolution has never been proven to have a strong hold over time. It's all in your imagination. Now if you had a book like the bible that made such claims that we were able to match up with today, you might be onto something.

I don't have to prove anything supernatural exists. We already have a historical document proven we are made from supernatural design. We also have documentation of supernatural abilities in the usage during the bible, as well as today.

Of course I know monkeys aren't claimed to give birth to a human, but through long evolution it might as well be the same thing. You're are trying to tell me that since small research proving that speciation shows groups that no longer create offspring with their original group, that they changed species. I have yet to hear of a doctor telling a woman that the reason she cant make babies is because she mutated. Come on man, get a grip and get your head out of the fantasy clouds and study your lineage and learn at least whats really going on here. There is no speciation, there is no macro evolution, it's all in your head. Now if your done with your fantasy, here are some PROVABLE FACTS you can learn about.

Humans had Telepathy, just like God up until the tower of babel. You probably missed the fact that language was NEVER mentioned in the bible even though God allegedly created Adam and Eve. There was never mention about God teaching them how to talk, but he sure was interested in controlling them. There was also never mention of language regarding other races that were also here on Earth. It never became a problem until God scrambled our language. But taking our Supernatural ability away to speak to our own race and any other race, we had to invent language. God only removed our ability to transmit telepathy, this is why you hear stories about people getting abducted claiming the alien was talking to them via telepathy. It's a primary ability that ALL humanoids have, unless someone tampered with them like God did to us.

The only reason this alien race was able to keep a strong hold on us was they also had the ability to read minds. So while we couldn't transmit Telepathy, it didn't matter, they would just read out minds. The difference is it's invasive compared to telepathy.

Here is the order to have it removed.

The Tower of Babel

7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.” 8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. 9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused[a] the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.[sic]

Scientists have been baffled at how humans got dispersed all over the globe, HERE YOU GO.

Here is proof we are not from Earth, and are from supernatural design.

Faith in Action

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.[sic]

I was however able to find "Earth is Not Our Home (Hebrews 11:1-16)" in a "Supernatural" explanation from a Presbyterian Church, Charlotte, NC.

Faith Produces Action (Faithfulness) (vv. 4-12)

The key question in our messes, brokenness, discouragement, and exile, and in our successes, blessings, celebrations, and joys needs to be, “What is God doing and how can I be a part of that?” That is faithfulness. And that comes out of the hearts and hands of people who realize that earth is not our home.[sic]

Definition of Faith (vv. 1-3)

Verse three points to the basis of this “blind faith” – and tempts me into a discursus on “intelligent design.” It reads, “By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.” In other words, what you see ain’t all we got. There is more to life and this world than mortar and wood and nails, more than DNA and atoms and particles, there is supernatural intention, design, and purpose. And that supernatural intention, design, and purpose belong to God![sic]

So there it is in plain English. Perhaps there is a learning curve on this, I have to remember not everyone has the background I do.

Here is where we lost our secondary ability to Perceive, Aka, remote view, aka, astral project, aka, the third eye, aka, visions.

Isaiah's Commission from the Lord

8 And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here I am! Send me.” 9 And he said, “Go, and say to this people:

“‘Keep on hearing,[c] but do not understand;
keep on seeing,[d] but do not perceive.’
10 Make the heart of this people dull,[e]
and their ears heavy,
and blind their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”[sic]

You might be new to this so I'll break it down for you. God is first describing an ability that is similar to hearing, Are you aware of any such thing? Of course not, we never had supernatural powers according to you. This word he used "understand" is clearer when you solve the second part first.
Keep seeing but do not perceive. You are welcome to look up the word perceive yourself to find that it does include envisioning something. So apparently we had the ability to be privy to Telepathic messages during any vision.
Heavy eyes and ears means we will have to focus more simply using our regular eyes and ears to take up the loss. The last sentence is clear, God is doing this to make us sick, but offers us the chance to be healed if we obey.

If you are incredulous to this even being a possibility, you may want to research more on remote viewing and explain to me how it is that not only have several people had this ability and were even employed by the Government for it, but they later opened up 16 training centers in the USA to teach others how to access this supernatural ability.

Other people with ability in this realm there were several across the globe, and Robert Fludd claimed that he had the ability to see inside his own brain. Later when cameras were created people all around were claiming they could project an image onto the film of a camera. Thought photographs exist around the globe to this day.

Our brains were made to process video and picture images through supernatural connection. Is it just coincidence that we have big screen tv's that display movies, with a camera man watching everything in the exact same way our supernatural ability would be working? We hold personal photos dear. Take pride in art, tattoos, painting, beauty. We even have HD cellphones. Just like how the Telephone seemed to fill the need for something that was taken from us, we also have all these other electronics, to fill the need.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I have over 34 years of personally studying the events of the Supernatural. I have also personally been privy to four just in my lifetime. While all mine were positive, whats in the bible is not. There is not a school anyone can attend to learn these types of things. You have to set out on your own and do your own research. Many years ago, you might say I was more on the fence about believing in such things, and had a GF that would take me with her to a local UFO group once a month. I recollect back when some people in that group would tell me about bizarre things that were hard to imagine, and just sort of thought they were nuts. Later when the internet was invented, I actually did research under those old claims people made and found indisputable evidence that it was in fact true. I felt so stupid of course.

Please see a reply I just did moments ago with more detail about proof of our supernatural abilities.
Keep in mind, They are still disabled, so if you find them working in people, most likely they are not working to their proper capacity.

a reply to: kennyb72

KrazySh0t:
Why is it that threads like this go on forever, but threads that actually produce REAL science die within 4 pages or so?

kennyb72
I would love to see just one of these threads that have produced any science at all. What it does produce is "STARS"

Here are a few of my own orphaned children:

Not Knowing What's Worth Knowing Two flags, two stars, five replies.

Dwarf planet could illuminate the dark sector Seven flags, six stars, one reply.

Body's Own Immune System Offers AIDS Vaccine Hope One flag, one star, zero replies.

Prehistoric proteins: Raising the Dead
One flag, two stars, one reply.

Builders of Stonehenge Came from Afar Eleven flags, eight stars, twenty replies.

These were subjects that really interested me. Turned out they didn't interest other people.

Snide remarks won't win you any stars or flags either. Don't lose your honour just because you lost an argument.

a reply to: josehelps

You're quoting from the bible as if it's a good primary source. It's not - it's been altered too much.

a reply to: TechUnique

Before you attack me

Try not to take the following words as a preemptive strike on my part..

All that really matters is that we are here now, it doesn't matter if we got here by riding on the backs of oversized chickens or not.

The fact is things change over time no matter what word/label we choose to place upon that observation.

Evolution here might very well be a farce in the sense that certain specifics have been worked out already/predetermined and do not necessarily rely on pure chance, but there might be another form of evolution available here that many of us overlook do to all the focus being placed on the physical side of things.

a reply to: Astyanax

Hello again Astyanax, I found your threads to be very interesting and I confess I hadn't seen them before. I will concede that your contribution as far as bringing new and interesting topics to ATS is of a high standard. It is a sad inditement
that each of these topics where not explored more fully.

My comment regarding the stars is simple scientific observation of cause and affect, I post a valid comment, I receive a reply, a simple puerile one liner,can earn the poster 5 stars. My conclusion, I am a star maker.

My original assertion was that new science is not produced on these boards. New subjects are introduced but I have never seen any new original science.

Where is your objection actually to my post and how will it affect my honour?, And please don't be so presumptuous to suggest that our little exchange has settled the argument between God and natural selection because it hasn't, so to suggest I lost my argument is a little premature.

Since the scope of the question has been narrowed down to just evolution, and my counter argument is intelligently designed adaptive organisms, we could actually both be right.

This all comes down to the fundamental question "did God create life?". My view is God created conscious etheric beings that evolved, ascended from the physical kingdom and designed physical biological organism suitable for survival on Earth. My definition of God is more along the lines of Pantheism which I believe was Einsteins conclusion towards the end of his life.

Whenever we exchange views I feel as though you draw me close to whisper and then push a knife between my ribs.

I am sure we would get on just fine in real life. I am also good at multitasking because I produced 3 stars whilst eating my dinner.

a reply to: josehelps

Ya I know what you mean, I think I have posted like four times now that the Supernatural is not bound to the confines or understanding of what we call science

The "supernatural" argument is a weak jutification for relying on presupposition. "Its an illogical cause so your logic is irrelevant. problem solved!"

Um, no.

a reply to: kennyb72

Is this supposed to be funny?

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Astyanax
My comment regarding the stars is simple scientific observation of cause and affect, I post a valid comment, I receive a reply, a simple puerile one liner,can earn the poster 5 stars. My conclusion, I am a star maker.

No you continually make outrageous claims and assertions without any evidence whatsoever, and as one would expect in any rational environment you're corrected where applicable.

And where you attempt to discredit verified scientific information to make room for your ridiculous claims, you're unsurprisingly ridiculed.

People like to shoot fish in barrels, or in this case, blue whales in egg cups.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Just ignore him.
He told me in a pm he knows everything about evolution. ....
No point in educating him.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Actually like I have repeated three times now, it actually HASN'T been altered all that much, and if you have the Supernatural Education like I do, it's crystal clear.

Again you are confusing today's main stream understanding of religion and belief with the bible being out of sorts. And technically you have good suspicion to believe what you do, but you are wrong. Only because I have explained over three times to you now that when you have the Supernatural background like I do, not only can you see where Christianity totally misunderstands the bible, but why, based on the lack of education.

I'm going to give you an analogue to see if the third time here will help you understand. Lets pretend that math is an basically a subject that's not well known. Lets also pretend that the bible is actually a math test. Lets pretend most people, and clergy have studied the bible for ions and feel comfortable to claim they understand it as they have studied it for all these years.

The question here is can you learn math from a math test? Of course you can't, but apparently you are struggling to understanding this view, as I'm repeating myself over again.

I happen to be one of the very few people that not only understand math but excel in it.

Basically what you are claiming is that math can't be accurate because it's been rewritten over the years, and what I'm telling you is that YOU DON'T have the credentials to make that claim.

You can't understand math, let alone the supernatural, so how are you going to make such a bold claim?

What I'm saying is that in my findings on the subject, while I can find slight errors in the bible, 99.9% of it is dead on and crystal clear.

I hope this helps you understand.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Well that's where you are wrong. The bible was here before Evolution was created.

I think I can put all of your delusional minds to rest regarding the seriously flawed subject of Evolution.

It's simply not possible, and I'll explain why...

If everything evolves as you are claiming, and branches off to different species, there are several problematic issues with this belief.

The first is that life has no intent, and everything only is per chance and circumstances. Our Mitochondrial DNA proves to scientists that our species is possibly over 587,000 years old, but possibly older.

I want a concise explanation in full detail that explains HOW and WHY our DNA decided to break off and NOT keep it's prior lineage. What I mean by this, is YOU are obviously claiming that life as we know it started from primordial slime. So since mtDNA holds a birth marker of all your descendents, I need to know why OUR and all the other life on this planet doesn't share the same starting point in DNA.

Your belief is so delusional that you are basically claiming that not only was evolution smart enough to make changes to our DNA over time, with no proof by the way, but you're also claiming that it was also smart enough to dump all of it's prior DNA of history from being a prior species, yet magically keep just those new changes in DNA.

Come on man.

If all life stemmed from all life on this planet stemmed from other life on this planet, be that uni-latterly or bi-latterly, there is no reason in the world why every species would not be carrying that original DNA from the beginning.

Evolution was just a made up belief for people that lost all hope in understanding the bible. Hey I get it, if I was like you and didn't understand it, I would probably agree with you, but you are wrong. The bible is a historical document that is well preserved for a very good reason. I'm shocked with all the NON understanding of it, that we have managed to keep it in tact, but personally I'm thankful they did, as it makes total sense.

Back in 2008, Scientists in Switzerland joined forces to create the largest Hadron Collider in the world. At a cost of over $10 billion dollars. All of this was technically done in the direction of agreeing with the big bang theory or evolution. Here we are days from 2015 and they are no closer to proving the big bang theory let alone evolution.

You don't need to pay $10 billion dollars to find out how all this life got to Earth, I'm telling you for free.
Merry xmas.

Hey there!

Thanks for these videos I am going to watch them tonight before bed. I am researching these topics right now for content for my website and your post was one of the 1st I saw when I logged in today after a long break... synchronicity perhaps.

I have always beleived dinasours and humans co-existed in some way, where else would dragon mythology come from?

Also have been told be a leading geologist that HUGE gaps in the so called human evolution 'facts' exist but science just ignores them as they are too inconvienent or too tricky to explain. They shake the pillars of belief they cling to.

Truth is dynamic people.

I will let you know what I thought of the videos.

Peace.

a reply to: TechUnique

a reply to: josehelps

No, you fail to understand. The bible is a religious document and was written to explain the world as seen through the eyes of a Bronze and then Iron Age people. Therefore there is a substantial amount of politics in it, as various priests spend a lot of time in the bible explaining why they are right and everyone else is wrong.
There are also some factual problems with it. The Kingdom of Solomon for example is presented as being a) large and b) a significant regional player. Unfortunately the archaeology on the ground tells a very different story. There's no indication that the kingdom was viewed as being anything other than a very minor power. There's also no physical proof anywhere that the Temple of Solomon was even built. The bible barely mentions the Hittites, which something of an omission given the fact that Ramesses II fought a massive battle with them in Syria in 1274 BC, The Ark of the Covenant literally vanishes, the fate of St James, who as the brother of Jesus was therefore the head of the early Christian Church, is never explained after he too vanishes from the bible and finally the bible implies that Pi = 3. Which is wrong.
There's also the little problem of the crucifixion. That's a Roman punishment for slaves and rebelliously naughty people. It would not have been used as punishment over an internal Jewish religious dispute. However, it most certainly be used to kill someone whose speeches were stirring up trouble and reminding the people of Judea that they used to be independent. I therefore have a number of doubts about just what exactly Jesus really said and how much has been airbrushed from history.

I'll probably get bashed for this but you speak a lot of sense. i too have came to the same conclusions about the Tower of Babel texts.

i've done my own research, no one has taught me this so it is comforting to read other people coem to the same conclusions.

Also, '___' helps.

peace

a reply to: josehelps

a reply to: daftpink

wow. a bit disappointed you blocked out that word ATS. Isn't this an open minded site?

a reply to: josehelps

Hello josehelps, we haven't chatted before, mainly because the barrage of abuse I receive for each of my posts has kept me rather busy. I have been following your argument however and can see many parallels in our thinking.

As I understand it, the bible was written by Gnostic scholars and much of the story of Christ relates to a man far ahead of the rest of humanity in reference to his conscious awareness,who spoke of the unity of all life.

The bible mirrors my understanding almost completely, but is what I guess you could refer to as an account of supernatural events and concepts that cannot to be interpreted without an understanding of the esoteric. Supernatural being of course, science yet to be discovered. In that context Religion, The Esoteric and Science are all perfectly in accord but the link is hidden in the esoteric teachings. My view is the Bible is esoteric knowledge made exoteric for the public.

Just ignore him.
He told me in a pm he knows everything about evolution. ....
No point in educating him.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Did nobody ever explain to you that it is very bad manners to make PM's public, particularly ones that where in response to a private dig you decided to make, mainly because the message can be skewed, which is precisely what you have done. It is no secret however that the concept of evolution can be easily understood by a child and is not an intellectual feat. I won't report you though as I am not that petty.

And you got three stars for this wonderful contribution which sort of proves my point.