Evolution is a farce: Evidence

a reply to: kayej1188

That is correct, mostly. However The ability to remote view, which is a Supernatural ability listed in the bible as "Perceive or visions" employed several through our Government during the cold war for 25 years. They were decommissioned in 1989 and opened up 16 training centers across the USA. 70 shared Psy trainers in all, and they have graduates in all.

So you would be partially wrong on this one. But I'm going to agree because along with the rest of them God used manipulation of our DNA to switch them off, also giving him the ability to switch them back on again to people that were good.

I'm not exactly sure, but what it looks like is he used the reprogramming of our DNA through frequencies and words, just like how this Russian Scientists stumbled onto.

www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com...

Is it just possible this is what was meant every time the bible refers to the "Word' of God?

We might very soon see a day where sickness and disease will be cured by a doctor popping you into a sound booth for an hour and fixing the problem by reprogramming your DNA.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Well I wouldn't argue with you that it's purity has been tainted, however I'm able to read through the backwards meanings and ill interpreted parts to get the point.

I think what YOU are referring to is the actual misunderstanding that is so rampant amongst society.
I have over 34 years into the study of the Supernatural. The bible is prefaced as dealing with Supernatural events. So Joe, blow that is preaching it, is doing it all wrong, and I can tell you that it's not what you think it is, and it's not even close. Something HORRIBLE has been done to the human race, and if you have the background I do, it will be crystal clear to you.

a reply to: flyingfish

You have that backwards, you can torture science, it's the Supernatural you can't torture, and that's what the bible is all about. You assumed wrong. I have no faith, I have no belief. The Supernatural is not bound to the testing that your science is. I posted the definition of "Supernatural" earlier because of this. Of course the other problem is that the subject is scarce on our planet now, where it used to be rampant.

originally posted by: josehelps
Something HORRIBLE has been done to the human race, and if you have the background I do, it will be crystal clear to you.

I find this theory or idea interesting actually. Or the possibility interesting anyway. Got anything more you'd like to add to that statement???

Are you talking about Alien Gene Manipulation??? Divine Intervention??? Biblical Punishment stuff??? Or what???

a reply to: josehelps

i love talking about the supernatural. if the super natural crosses over into the natural universe by very definition it is not supernatural. and if the supernatural is indistinguishable from the natural, how do you know it exists?

a reply to: kennyb72

Neighbor you are clutching at straws with the repeated "its not fair you play by the rules and insist we do too" logical fallacies. Sorry old bean but thems the breaks. You must be completely at a loss to have to resort to a homophobic double entendre.

Its ok, you can't actually prove evolution is a farce, and I'm not going to rise to your religion baiting. So yeah its not fair, but life is not fair.

a reply to: josehelps

You have that backwards, you can torture science, it's the Supernatural you can't torture, and that's what the bible is all about. You assumed wrong. I have no faith, I have no belief.

You are contradicting yourself, you claim faith in witnesses of the supernatural and turn around say you have no faith, no belief? Claims that the supernatural is an aspect of reality must be supported with evidence, as must any claim.

The Supernatural is not bound to the testing that your science is. I posted the definition of "Supernatural" earlier because of this. Of course the other problem is that the subject is scarce on our planet now, where it used to be rampant.

I already explained science does not deal in the "Supernatural" the supernatural is so undetectable to science that it is irrelevant and superfluous. Remember Sagan's invisible fire breathing dragon that lives in garages?
The dragon doesn't change the world around us in any meaningful or measurable way, and yet people believe in the fire breathing dragons that live in their garages.
This debate is about evolution, let's get back to the fact you have been misrepresenting and distorting evolution, and science in general.

There is simply no empiracle evidence when it comes to evolution. No one has witnessed a monkey spawning a human

This is an outright lie or willfull ignorance..pick one!

a reply to: Commonlaw

No they are not pagan beliefs either mate. I really wish you guys would do some research and not throw comments like that out. If you look (for example) at Hindu and Persian (pre Islam) faith they talk about millions of years of history in their myths. Nice try but wrong, and also not pertinent to this debate.

a reply to: kennyb72

this whole exercise is just a Pi$$ing competition to see who understand physics more than the other.

Well, Kenny.

The theory of evolution is a scientific theory, after all. If it is to be disproved, it must be disproven in scientific terms.

The science, as it happens, is biology, not physics. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is physics, but it is creationists (or, if you prefer, intelligent-design proponents) who invoke it to argue against evolutionary theory. This obliges us to ask whether their argument is good physics or not. Well, it isn't. Physics says it's wrong.

There is no room for philosophical or theosophical discourse.

If you wish to engage me in a philosophical argument against the theory of evolution I should be happy to oblige you. I know a little philosophy — not much, but enough to hold my own in an argument. By all means start a thread titled something like 'Philosophical Arguments against Evolution' and u2u me with the link. I will take up your challenge.

As for theology — I'm sure you didn't really mean Theosophy, which is a very specific form of Victorian proto-New Age mumbo-jumbo — it is hardly relevant, is it? Theology presupposes the existence of a deity. Since that itself cannot be proven, there is no empirical argument that can arise from theology to challenge the scientific — that is, empirical — theory of evolution.

It all seams so one sided.

It always does when one has the misfortune to have chosen the wrong side.

Evolutionists will probably never have a feeling so strong, an intuition so powerful that it completely changes the way you view life, to the extent that you can see evidence for your existence from the moment you open your eyes to the moment you fall asleep.

Probably not. Lovers, religious fanatics, political extremists, committed bigots of every stripe, delusives, obsessives and madmen have such feelings. When you are trying to determine whether something is true or not, the last thing you should trust is a feeling like that.

Keep scratching in the ground guys, if you keep scratching long enough you may even find God there.

See, this is where you go wrong. You think evolution is about God. You can't seem to understand that God doesn't come into the picture at all.

You can go on arguing all you like, Kenny, but you've lost. Why not face the truth and let it set you free?

a reply to: kennyb72

I am a very ordinary working class guy, not particularly smart nor particularly dumb, I have no delusion of grandeur and in my very ordinary life I am a very humble person.

Your humility is indeed becoming.

Don't you think, then, that in keeping with such a humble attitude, you should leave complicated things like the theory of evolution to people who are smarter, rather than trying to formulate your own opinions on the subject?

The world is full of other things to think about, as I'm sure you're aware. Things that concern you more directly. Things that affect your future and your children's, if you have any. Why not leave philosophy to the philosophers, science to the scientists, and just live your life? Believe in what you want to; just don't try to argue about it with the cleverclogs of the world. You will save yourself a lot of heartburn if you do.

a reply to: kennyb72

This information has been esoteric for at least 5,000 years and similar accounts where recorded from Egyptian antiquity and along with numerous other sources was also related by a man known then as Thoth and Mentioned in early greek history as Hermes Trismegistus.

Oh, hell. You did mean Theosophy.

I reckon it's too late for a cure in your case.

originally posted by: kennyb72
a reply to: Barcs

Hi Barcs, at least we have had a spirited debate

I think you may have jumped a few of my posts, I have laid out my beliefs as briefly but as succinctly as I am able to.

I am not a scientist, I have every respect for scientists, I have studied at University and I am fully aware of the work involved to achieve any accreditation. My subject was not science, but I received high distinctions in all my studies due entirely to hard work. My greatest hope is, that a scientific mind explores without prejudice, some of the information I have tried to explain. Even if it piqued the interest of just one person more knowledgable than myself and who tried to look at what I am saying in a holistic sense, then maybe it could help to turn the tide from a physicalist world view to a more spiritual worldview.

At that, it's time for me to bow out of this topic and to thank you all for being patient with me and also to those who where not so patient.

The scientific method requires that you explore without prejudice. If there is no evidence for something, it is not considered. That isn't prejudice, it's logical. If science did nothing but make up random guesses about the unknown and then taught them in school without even verifying them, it wouldn't be science, it would be religion. Science requires experiments and facts to back up all theories. I would have been happy to consider your viewpoint, but you never answered the questions I asked about your critiques of science. To me, that means you either were making it up, or looking for a place to promote your beliefs. If you created a thread about Pythagorism, I would definitely take a look at it.

All I'll say is that there's a great deal more evidence to support evolution than there is to support religion.

That's probably something worth considering, OP.

a reply to: Astyanax

Why not leave philosophy to the philosophers, science to the scientists, and just live your life? Believe in what you want to; just don't try to argue about it with the cleverclogs of the world. You will save yourself a lot of heartburn if you do.

By the age of 7 or 8 years old, I wanted nothing more than to be a scientist, I thought what a noble and interesting thing to do, As I grew older I began to ponder on the question, why is it that as we become more advanced technologically the worse our world is becoming? What possible kind of mentality could apply these most amazing discoveries and turn them into the world worst nightmares?

The scientists that created these monstrosities can't have any humanity in them, how could they live with themselves knowing they had invented machines that have mutilated and killed million upon millions of men women and children.

Then I thought about geneticists, that create GMO’s, maybe they will create food that grows larger and more nutritious grain to feed the poor. So they created a seed that could soak up glyphosate without destroying it and then feed it to the undernourished to ingest and kill their essential gut bacteria, destroying lives slowly with lingering painful diseases. Or the scientific genius who came up with the terminator seed that stops a grain from re-germinating forcing poor farmers off their land to suicide or into bankruptcy.

One day I was talking to an acquaintance who had worked in cancer research and he told me he had left the profession because he had discovered the focus of their research was aimed at extending cancer patients lives rather than curing cancer, providing a lucrative predictable cash flow for the pharmaceutical companies, it occurred to me these scientists where earning a good living from donations and grants by perpetuating the suffering of patients rather than curing them, including 12 of my close friends who have died over the last five years of chemotherapy.

The largest proportion of the people in the world today survive this scientifically assisted, increasingly dystopian hellish world comforted by their faith and belief in their God. Only the other day I discovered there are people devoting their entire lives trying to collect evidence and even attempting to blind people with science to convince them that evolution and not God created humanity. These people who want to destroy the faith of billions of souls call themselves scientists.

Just a few examples of the wonderful contributions science is making to build a better world to live in. Better for who exactly?

Where you grinning when you said I shouldn't challenge you smart assed clever clogs of the world?

ARE YOU MAD?

a reply to: kennyb72

why is it that as we become more advanced technologically the worse our world is becoming?

Technology, the child of science, puts power in our hands. We do what we please with that power. Most of us use it in ways we believe are good. But we are self-interested and greedy, just as nature made us. So often we use the power of technology in selfish ways, to the detriment of others or of the planet.

Also, the use of technology sometimes has unforeseen consequences. We reap the benefits, but there are costs. No lunch is free.

Are you suggesting that we should stop doing science, stop enjoying the benefits of technology? You'll have a hard time selling that solution. Most people don't want to go back to the Dark Ages.

It is entirely possible that we shall destroy ourselves and take much of the contemporary biosphere with us. In doing so, we will be acting as all species act if given the opportunity. Our reason and our knowledge may help us avoid this unfortunate outcome, but I am not very hopeful. Ecocide is just the Tragedy of the Commons writ large.

Where you grinning when you said I shouldn't challenge you smart assed clever clogs of the world?

I never claimed to be one of them. I was merely offering a suggestion that might improve your peace of mind — although, as I said in a later post, I now think it is a bit too late for that.

ARE YOU MAD?

I don't think so. What can you do about any of it? Not a thing. So why worry your head about it?

Enjoy the time you have left.

a reply to: kennyb72

Right, so according to you it's a bad thing to give cancer patients extra time with their families, it's a bad thing to have invented cars and trucks and planes, it's a bad thing to have invented the internet and it's a bad thing to have discovered antibiotics. Oh and scientists are involved in a global conspiracy to educate people about where their species came from by looking at fossils and DNA!
I suppose that you'd be happier if we still lived in caves and hunted mammoths rather than inventing things like fire. Look how many people's lives have been ruined by fire! Let's ban it!

a reply to: mOjOm

Well you might want to go back and pick up some tid bits here and there in the last 10 pages. I had one post that was pretty informative. Let me know if you want to know anything else after that. And just to let everyone know, I don't have a belief or a faith.

Intervention is the understanding that we were brought to this planet by another life form, against our will. It's not a religion, not a faith, not a cult, not a belief, not a practice, not a church, not a following, not a theory, not a hypothesis, it's certainly not a joke, it's simply an understanding based on redundant facts. This understanding can only be realized if you have a plethora of years in the study of the supernatural, and have a keen eye for spotting activity in stories, even if the author doesn't. Of course the best source for this information is several versions of the bible, in addition to the facts that concur in science. Lets be sure I'm clear on this. Lets pretend for the moment that you know nothing about math, and let's say that I present you with a problem that says four times four. Now lets say that this subject is seriously something you want to understand, as this is about your lineage. You might even come up with some ideas as to what it means. But there is seriously no way you're going to guess what it all means.


So you settle with the best understanding you can (which actually doesn't result in making any sense by itself), and now you have just explained today's religion. So I tell you this equation equals "sixteen." Would you, could you, indicate that what I'm presenting to you is surely my belief? You could, but you're out of context. If I understand it, and you don't, that doesn't constitute it being a belief, it's an understanding based on redundant facts. A belief implies that I have an opinion or a faith, you will soon realize this is nothing like that. I understand the supernatural extremely well. Of course, what this means in English is that 99.99% of the people reading, preaching, worshiping, the bible, don't understand it. Now I hope you understand why trying to label this anything other than an understanding is obviously incorrect. My goal is to open your eyes to the reality of what has happened, and what's been done to us.


You might wonder, why in the world would anyone try to understand the bible through the supernatural perspective. Perhaps it's the bible being prefaced as dealing with the supernatural, which actually means if you don't have that experience, your not qualified to understand it. In addition, we have no other books to compare it to. Perhaps it's the thirty four versus in the bible about aliens. Perhaps it's the Ezekiel chapter where Sky Daddy comes down from the sky's to visit us in his space craft. Maybe it's all of the activity mentioned in the bible that match with our reported alien encounters. Maybe it's the documentation of advanced technology used in the bible. Perhaps it's the mentioning in Hebrews that Earth is not our home, obviously meaning we are aliens to this planet. Heaven is a planet, not a place you end up when you die. If the bible was meant for dead people, they would have it, not us. Several years ago, while researching the Ezekiel chapter, I made contact with one of the pastors at the Union Gospel Mission, here in my town. I shared some of my findings with him, and asked him if it were possible that God was a space alien. His response revealed, that it's entirely possible.

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I think soon, I will be starting my own forum to explain all of this in more detail.

a reply to: flyingfish

Accepting testimony from hundreds if not thousands of people used in the bible is not a faith, what you are eluding to would be a conspiracy. People don't lie, the person lies.

Well Evolution is clearly false if it's been identified exactly how we got here an who placed us here.

All I was saying about Science is you're trying to tell me that Science trumps the Supernatural. Yet notice how you know very little about it. It's obviously the other way around. Again as per the definition, The Supernatural is not bound to the same principals of science. You're trying to dismiss it as not being possible when we already have documentation that it's happened, I mean after all, how do you think your species was made, with Supernatural abilities to boot?

Great so I will accept your challenge and allow you to explain to everyone when a monkey spawned a human.

a reply to: josehelps
That last bit in your post just shows you don't even understand the basics of evolution so obviously you are ignorant about it.
Plus The bible is not a good source of science.
Evolution is happening now and gas been forever.
The facts are in this thread I suggest actually attempting to read them.

a reply to: vjr1113

You have it slightly wrong, what you mean to say is if we are ever able to explain the supernatural through scientific avenues, it will no longer appear to be Supernatural to our standards.

It exists, it's explained in the bible that it exists, we had supernatural ability very evident which conclusively proves it existed until God took it away from us. In addition, there are actually a few rare people on Earth today using Supernatural abilities, of course they are weakened as God disabled them. Thought photographs exist around the world which is the ability to transfer images into a camera usually by touch and thought, but sometimes never touching the camera and while in another room. Some people are able to have visions, and our Government employed such people during the cold war, decommissioned in 1989 and they opened up 16 training centers in the USA sharing 70 psy trainers, and they have graduates too.

We had Telepathy up until the tower of Babel as well. We also have evidence of having psychokinesis and possibly levitation, just like how Jesus walked on Water or Moses parted the Sea.