Evolution is a farce: Evidence

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yep.

That was pretty much the point of me asking. Because there isn't anything to support a YEC model. So they will either ignore the question or... Present whatever they consider evidence. I give the latter some credit because at least they're trying. Plus, you never know when you'll get a YEC who is actually open to trying to get a better understanding of things, and isn't a lost cause. I'd have no problem accepting a young earth model if the data backed it up.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I have been on this site for a couple years and recognize most of them from other threads. I don't think there is any hope for them to be honest too many have been indoctrinated to the point that they will actually force themselves to believe a man can live inside a fish for three days. If you can ever get them to objectively think about those stories it would cause them so much discomfort they will simply abandon the thread or website before gaining a better understanding.

The YECs have been brainwashed to the extreme now the others that don't take the stories literally may not be lost causes.

a reply to: BlackManINC

You attempt to use that as a slur....it isn't.
You are a great ape like it or not.
Look into the eyes of a chimp and deep down you will know we are connected.
Just like every living thing on earth.
To deny all the evidence is just ignorant and insulting to nature.

a reply to: BlackManINC

Thank you for finally trying your self at an answer.
Preliminary remark : I acknowledge evolution, I do not believe in it. I believe in God.
You do believe in creationism, because need to convince yourself of God and the content of the Bible.
That's doesn't make you sound like a true or even better believer to me.
When I tried to point out inconsistencies in your almighty scriptures and therefore the futility of it's literal understanding, you found no way to disprove me ... Embarrassing for an absolute truth.
Re-read what I dared to write about it, how is it that couldn't disprove me in a more convincing fashion ?

The fact that an isolated strain of bacteria's could be identified, while displaying natural antibiotics resistance doesn't demonstrate anything whether or not bacteria's, that doesn't display that natural or God-given ability, are able to finally develop one.

I agree with Peter Vlar when he says that you guys sound very annoying when you pick the 3 words in a 10 lines statement that manage to fit with your 'understanding' of the book in order to squeeze some proof out of it.

I wonder what for a reward you expect from the Christian God for making the Bible sound ridiculous in the eyes of sensible, educated people.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: borntowatch

Chemist as in chemistry degree, as opposed to Chemist as in Pharmacist. I've made pharmaceuticals for the big boys

As to where the elements came from? Not really a Chemists area, but go find an astrophysicist. ALso I am not an atheist so you really are going to have a different tac with me

No I dont have to change tac at all.
My keel is far from off kilter.

The point is that you may be wonderfully talented in your chosen field, doesnt make you any smarter than some lay person in general.
A chemistry degree is not a biology degree nor an anthropology degree or a geologist. There are a good many fields I would imagine you are not learned in.
clearly this is one of them.
Astrophysicists dont have answers, nobody here will give an answer,sure they will offer say they think, its believed, the evidence suggests, but no answers. Hence the pseudo science label.

Your not an atheist, doesnt surprise me or change a thing. Gnosticism seems to be the flavour of the month here, they are as delusional as those who think evolution is a proven science.

a reply to: Daedalus

this post reminds me of an interview with Tom Cruise, that i saw once....

he was going on to the interviewer about how "you don't know the facts and history of psychiatry, i do", when his sole basis for understanding psychiatry, was the lunatic assertions and ramblings, put to paper, of L. Ron Hubbard..

I respected your posts upto this point. Then you had to go and talk about psychiatry. I'm no lover of Cruise or Scientology...but you should look into why after 100 years they're still looking for that magical "chemical imbalance" to attempt to bring psychiatry out of its quasi religious status. Psychiatry is not a science. It has taken the place of the confessor priest with the added bonus of chemical shackles - often psychiatry works with the State in suppressing dissent.

here you go, theres plenty of good info out there

"www.szasz.com/"
"http://www.astrocyte-design.com/pseudoscience/"

a reply to: BlackManINC

The Bible is the only book on the planet that tells us where these pagan gods come from and who they really are. The Bible "validates" all other gods as fallen angels and devils disguising themselves as forces of nature.

1.Where did Baal come from?
Who was Apollo?

2. Why aren't the Summerian gods Enki or Anu mentioned in the bible.

3. Where in the bible does it say Apollo was a fallen angel?

When you tire of trying to answer the above you could give yourself a mindbender working out the difference between an angel and a devil.

You make little sense

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Psychiatry is just a science in its infancy. There are many misconceptions and falsehoods that are believed in it. But that is just a problem with science that is just starting. Over time we will round out the edges and it will make a lot more sense. Unfortunately right now there is a big push for pills and drugs, but things are changing. There are only so many chemical combinations that can be attempted and eventually the pharmaceutical companies won't be able to make new drugs. This will push many human related sciences in new directions and that includes psychiatry.

a reply to: BlackManINC

This is nothing more than the old Hindu belief in reincarnation

At least Hinduism is acknowledges by scholars as being the oldest religion in the world, more importantly they didnt need god to kill god or the Roman Empire pagan emperor Constantine to says whats going to become the religion of the State.

a reply to: borntowatch

So, are you going to answer my question, or aren't you?

a reply to: BlackManINC

it occurred because there was a being called Yahweh, also known as Jesus doing the informing

Nah...even the idea of the trinity is contested by the Early Church Fathers.

Heres something for ya, "http://www.theopedia.com/Development_of_Trinitarian_theologyfrom "

The use of non-biblical language
Christians should be cautious while using language not found in Scripture to define God, however, they should not refrain from doing so. John Frame, in his Doctrine of God (2002), shows that "as it struggled to define the doctrine of the Trinity precisely, the church came to adopt specialized terminology for God's oneness and threeness... in general, these terms have served the church well. But they have also raised additional questions and caused some misunderstandings," (p. 696). Frame openly admits that these terms have not solved the problems or answered every question. However, these terms did help the church solidify what it believed against the ever present heresies.

in case you missed the above, I'll repeat

adopt specialized terminology for God's oneness and threeness... in general, these terms have served the church well

Served well...indeed

Yahweh=Satan They have you worshipping evil
"http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread919821/pg1"

a reply to: BlackManINC

as supernatural in origin verses all other gods where there is no distinction between the creator and its creation,

So all the other gods are not supernatural..?

If these stories had any truth to them at all, then we would see proof of it by the scientific method

What, scientific proof for the creator? You're not making sense.

You do realize that the biblical creation story is an adaption of the earlier mythos called Enuma Elis, not very original were the OT writers, heh?

and the only source described in this manner is Yahweh.

Again you spew ignorance, plenty of non biblical creation stories out there. Thats if you care to a search.

a reply to: BlackManINC

then that makes Yahweh, being supernatural the most likely source among all other gods

hmmm...Reductio ad absurdum

a reply to: BlackManINC

it is an eye account of historical events, written as the author saw it

So no eyewitness accounts of god giving moses the 10 commandments on Mt Sinal, for all we know like St John at Patmos it could all have been a dream,

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: borntowatch

Could you (the OP is free to do this as well) spell out here, as clearly as possible, what evidence — if any — would be required in order for you to accept that evolution by natural selection is the cause of the variation between different species (that is, to accept that all life on Earth, humans included, is descended from a common ancestor)?

I ask because you have stated repeatedly in this thread that the evidence presented thus far has not convinced you. Is there anything that would convince you? What is it?

I would love to, sadly though I dont have one question, I have hundreds, thousands.
My questions start at the big bang, yes I know many dont believe they are related to biological evolution and I am disingenuous for stating as much. Irrespective the BB is the beginning and it needs an answer not based on pseudo science myth
then there is
Chemical evolution, why are there so many different elements, stellar evolution, abiogenesis.

Though biological evolution is classified independently, its not in its own vacuum as far as I am concerned. Arguing I am wrong for believing as such is irrelevant, simply because I disagree. Others dont set my opinion or agenda, its valid to me

Thats not even the tip of the iceberg, thats the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

The foundation needs to be set before the roof.




Thanks Kent Hovind, you are the man.

a reply to: BlackManINC

This idea that we create our own reality is also the same rubbish preached by the metaphysical occult

I wont bother going into the theories of consciousness with you because you're still waiting for jesus to reappear and feed the 5000. Know that you can manifest anything you need. Even jesus said as much, But again you call what doesnt suit your fundie brainwashing "rubbish" "occult".

originally posted by: borntowatch

The foundation needs to be set before the roof.

Thanks Kent Hovind, you are the man.

With this statement, you've just shown that your foundation is being built with particle board. Maybe try some academic journals instead?

a reply to: Noinden

I bet you would bleat a lot louder if your pharmaceuticals were designed and made in kitchens, by untrained and uncaring people. I would bet a lot that at some point you've taken a pharmaceutical for something.

Who knows maybe he is "The One" who lives on air and his body converts poisons through faith.

Silly me! it wasn't science that converted cellulose pulp into paper for his bible. Or science that delivered it from the printer, it was a metal chariot using 4 wheels.

Gutenburg must have had a deal going with St Constantine, they then used Jesus or the mormons to get one into everyhouse.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Elohim is ... a plural. Yes, I know, it's embarrassing...
It actually means 'the lordS'

hehe, you're preaching to the unconverted, I too was brainwashed into the jehovah cult. Then I really started to look at the bible seriously. And I mean the plurality of gods in the OT who where subsumed into Jehovah...lets not get started on Mithraism or the Trinity.