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The Su-24 practiced the missile runs a dozen of times following the peace times protocols of maintaining distance and not aiming radars etc. Most probably USN ship did not find anything offensive or threatening to these "shadow boxing" type moves.

The bored media elements need to add spice to make better bucks, so they must have cooked a story that Su-24 had complete command of the area as it had shut down the electronic systems of the ship.

originally posted by: victor7
Candidly, I think Russians are only ahead in missiles technology and their population can live on much less resources than those in the west. In rest of the areas, they have some catching up to do.

That pretty much matches up to every assessment that I've read and made. The gap is much closer than it used to be in some areas, but it's widened in others.

It Russians have focused their military technology developments on EM counter measures. then It is quite possible for them to be ahead of US in this area. The news articles on this subject say the jet as within 500 feet, which could mean this jamming technology is range limited. The close proximity might be also required to focus a beam pulse on a radar dome, and attennas. Its not a full proof win all technology just another type of weapon which has its strength is certain situations.

This whole thing reminds me of what Scotty said in one of the star trek movies.

He said and I quote " The more complex the pluming the easier it is to stop up captain"

I hope this is not the case with the aegis combat system. I am not sure of the cost per ship.

But I bet it was a whole lot of money.And then it gets shut down by a simple electric warfare system.

I just don't get how Lockheed Martin could drop the ball so badly.

a reply to: grayghost

Because they didn't. A self protection system isn't going to put out enough power to knock out an entire Aegis system, and if there was a flaw this bad, it would have come out long before now, during one of the hundreds of times that Soviet/Russian planes did similar things to them.

a reply to: bjarneorn

You saving the Jews, have put the Jews into an enemy territory ... and everything you do, you make "the jews" to blame. You're always murdering millions ... for the poor Jews. And everybody, hates the Jews, as a result. Becaused they lost their loved ... all because of the Jews.

You didn't save anyone ... you made absolutely sure, that the Jews would be sent down to that desert nowhere land, and then turned every man, woman and child in it's neighbourhood into their enemy.

Those are plain facts.

Thank you for those wise words. You are seeing the jewish side.
For me Americans is a crazy drugged swat team running on their missions around the globe with their hidden agenda.
They even started to look more dangerous than people like Putin. Who is Putin ? - the worst case he is a dictator that will make life of common Russian folks harder. This is the worst case. With Americans I don't know what is the worst case, but last 10-15 years looks terrible in the result. Almost everyone on the planet have a feeling that USA is a terrorist state.

information is encoded on a carrier signal by modulation the carriers amplitude, phase or frequency. Im far from an expert on signal transmission but I would make a guess that Em weapons will target on the modulated information, corrupt it so its undecipherable. Doing it this was would reduce significantly the amount of power needed to disrupt as the disruption signal is not trying to stop the carrier signal.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

Except that it would be difficult to match it to the radar frequency, which can be changed as necessary, as well as getting close enough to use it. Not to mention that the system named is a self protection system, not an offensive system.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I don't disagree these are technological changes in design of Em weapons, but if they really did disrupt the ships tactical system then it indicates these technical challenges are not impossible.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

They aren't impossible, just ridiculously difficult. EM weapons are incredibly short ranged, and power intensive. CHAMP is a prime example. It's a large missile, and it can only take out targets that are along its flight path, almost directly underneath it. They're expecting to have a steerable EM system by 2016.

a reply to: pez1975

A molecular destabilizer from the year 2959 apparently the Russians also invented time travel. And went forward in time where the planet is dominated by aliens from the planet Altair 6. Figure if we're going to tell stories might as well make it a good scifi.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Im not a Em weapons expert and neither are you. When I say expert I mean someone who works in EM weapons projects 24/7. Now most the research is classified so what we speculate is and isn't possible is really just ideas of the novices. Personally Id be more interested in verifying the source of the story as it could be Infowars BS. At the same time the story is a sober reminder true or not for the West not to under estimate Russian military capability.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

US ships are shielded to prevent damage from EMPs this was developed in the 6os and it's easy to do the only threat EMP have is to civilian infrastructures which aren't shielded. So an EMP wouldn't shut down navy vessels you could blind them momentarily using EMPs to scramble a signal but the effects wouldn't last long enough to be useful.

Also if an EMP where to be used and shielding failed we have a ship being sold for scrap metal. You are not going to replace all wiring in the ship. And you would have to the ship become a a big 'parerweight . It would have been towed to port and spent months in dry dock and no way to hideal that.

a reply to: dragonridr

I think the protection you are referring to is EM grounding and shielded cables, which stop the system electronics overloading with power (burning circuits out). The EM effects I was referring to was those that corrupt signal interpretation but don't physical harm the hardware electronics.

The idea of having two jets one doing the momentarily disruptor gives the second jet further out a window of time to fire a weapon.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

It's not Infowars BS, it's Russian propaganda. The only sites to carry it are Russian, like Voltaire. Infowars picked it up from them and copied it almost word for word.

a reply to: AthlonSavage

You are clueless preventing emp damage is simple there called Faraday cages. There's no sugh thing as burning anything no damage occurs to the equipment. Militarily speaking EMPs are useless since most hardware is designed to operate after a nuclear blast. Even M1 tanks have there chips shielded. Electronic equipment will not shut down if shielded period. You Could Jam Radar However This Would Effect The Missile As Well Preventing Lock on. In other words this is science fiction at its worse started by a Russian blogger with zero understanding of electronics and physics.

The Russians didn't divulge any secrets...

Both the Soviets AND the U.S. have a very robust electronic and electrical infrastructure warfare capability. This article makes it sound like this capability is a big surprise. Its not.

The U.S. has extraordinarily destructive weapons along these same lines. The only news here, might have been the poor countermeasures response to the Soviet "dry run".

It is probably also fair to say, there is plenty of additional hardening of critical systems we could do to prevent this kind of stuff.

a reply to: Zaphod58

So you only read American Propaganda and apparently all of that tells the truth completely.

This is how it seems when reading your posts, it is amazing how you think everything is out in the open , yet question someone showing you "their hand" when you claim you already know what they do or do not have.

Then insinuate that it is silly to test things because it would only benefit the USA,

How is the world so black and white to you ??

a reply to: Zaphod58

You NEVER reveal something that changes things as radically as this system supposedly does unless you're engaged in an active shooting war, and you have a high value target in your sights. A single destroyer is nothing.

Oh you don't?

Well, actually you do if you're only showing relatively redundant and out of date technology.

The thinking being that while potential adversaries are busy figuring and installing counter measures to the 'old' tech, the Nth generation tech, which bears virtually no resemblance to the original version is waiting in the wings...when the NNth generation is perfected, the Nth gen tech will similarly be 'advertised' to potential adversaries to beaver away and waste resources on.

It's no secret why nuclear weapons enabled nations make it known they are nuclear enabled nations...it makes a potential adversary think very carefully before carrying out an attack...demonstrations of a battlefield technology that is a game changer, with Nth gen tech waiting in the wings, is the same as nuclear nations flaunting nuclear weapons...basically saying attack us at your peril...it's a deterrent.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: grayghost

Because they didn't. A self protection system isn't going to put out enough power to knock out an entire Aegis system, and if there was a flaw this bad, it would have come out long before now, during one of the hundreds of times that Soviet/Russian planes did similar things to them.

Have you read this yet, it seems the story has about as much truth as the Iranian claim of hacking the RQ 170 last year

A Russian Su-24 bomber buzzed the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea in early April, escalating the military standoff over Ukraine and outraging American officials.

Now Russian media claims that the Su-24 managed to jam Donald Cook’s Aegis air-defense system, which combines radars and long-range missiles. “The algorithm of the radar in the Aegis system on the destroyer did not load under the influence of jamming by the Su-24,” the Russian Radio Website reported.

It’s a bull# story.

How credible is this story? First off, how would Russian operators even know the destroyer’s Aegis had shut down? The Pentagon insisted shortly after the incident that Donald Cook was “more than capable of defending itself.”

And Russian Radio stated that after the alleged jamming, Donald Cook “rushed into a port in Romania.”

“There, all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation,” the Website claimed. “It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives.”

Um, Donald Cook has a crew of around 280 people. There are no verifiable reports that any of the ship’s sailors resigned. That’s not the sort of thing that happens, well, ever in the U.S. Navy.

Besides, why would Russia would give the U.S. a chance to analyze its latest jamming system? Spoofing a solitary warship isn’t worth betraying an purported major leap in electronic-warfare capability.

Still, it’s not hard to see why Russian Radio would disseminate this propaganda. The site quotes a Russian political scientist saying the jamming of Donald Cook, along with a long string of U.S. missile defense failures, proves that America’s multi-billion-dollar missile defenses don’t work.

“The ground component of the [anti-ballistic missile] was tested in ideal conditions and showed a low efficiency,” said Pavel Zolotarev, deputy director of the Institute of USA and Canada, a Moscow think tank. “This fact is concealed by the Pentagon. The most modern component, the sea-based system Aegis, also showed its shortcomings in the present case.”

With Poland shopping for its own missile-interceptor system, the jamming story might be meant to discourage Russia’s nervous neighbors, as well as the U.S., from pursuing such defenses.

Russia Claims Its Bomber Jammed U.S. Destroyer
Don’t believe it



Cool pick, those TU22M's armed with the KH22's are arguably the most potent anti shipping system in the world

Anybody remember The Sum of all Fears?



And for those of you who continue to mistakenly believe the Russia military has the ability to challenge the global hedgeonomy enjoyed by the USN, they cant and unless the U.S. drastically cuts military spending we will continue to enjoy a substantial advantage for the foreseeable future.

As far as the nonsense claim that the VVS scared away an Oliver Perry Frigate from the Black Sea, if there were any truth in it at all it would only have been long enough to join with her carrier task force...

Here is a photo taken during the incident... That backfire pilot was really pushing it to get at those ships.

A twitchier captain or XO very well might have sent the Russian pilot swimming, fortunately everyone stayed calm for most of the deployment though their nerves were frayed and none were in any kind of upbeat mood everybody remember what happened to the U.S.S. Carl Vincennes? ......oops.

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