The Real Problem With Americans and Their Disrespect for Obama According to a Canadian

a reply to: burdman30ott6

That's not fair to Bob Costas. He'd be eaten up inside of 5 minutes here and I like Bob.

I have a slightly different view.

The bad seed that has been planted deep is the idea that belief is as good as knowledge and understanding. I'm not just on about religion per se, but about the basic idea planted and nurtured slowly over decades, perhaps beginning with JFK's assassination, continuing through Watergate, the Iran Hostage Crisis, Iran-Contra, Clintongate, 9/11 ... and so on.

We have been infected with the idea that we can't know what reality is, so mere opinions, beliefs, and yes, conspiracy theories about what's "really going on" replace actually digging down to the objective truth that everyone can agree on, because its obvious.

To my mind, only when we replace belief and opinion with cold, hard, objective facts and reasoning will we even be close to coming out of this abyss we've been pushed into as a People.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Is that you way of saying that America is being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is that facts generally deal with the "reality" of who, when, where, and how. The why is just as important but many times it is deeply hidden in a subjective motive or personal ideology that necessarily needs to be investigated and opined.

originally posted by: khnum
this guy got a free pass with quite a dubious/mysterious history

This is the sort of garbage Obama haters post - there is nothing dubious or mysterious about Obama's past, but the stupid birthers and also racists hate the fact that a black man was legally elected POTUS twice, so they make all sorts of lies and crap up about him.

a reply to: hellobruce

Seriously. Why does the fact he's HALF Black matter? Total BS imo.

originally posted by: queenofswords
When we wanted answers about Benghazi, all we got was obfuscation and a "what difference does it make" attitude.

No, you got answers but as those answers did not agree with what you wanted them to say you claim it was obfuscation.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: hellobruce

Seriously. Why does the fact he's HALF Black matter?

You would have to ask the birthers and racists that question....

Total BS imo.

Yes, it is total BS to most people, however to some it is a very good reason to hate.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: queenofswords
When we wanted answers about Benghazi, all we got was obfuscation and a "what difference does it make" attitude.

No, you got answers but as those answers did not agree with what you wanted them to say you claim it was obfuscation.

You obviously did not watch the hearings. They were the epitome of obfuscation.

originally posted by: hellobruce
....however to some it is a very good reason to hate.

Early 50's here. I found out not so long ago that hate really is a useless emotion. It takes and gives nothing back.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: khnum
this guy got a free pass with quite a dubious/mysterious history

This is the sort of garbage Obama haters post - there is nothing dubious or mysterious about Obama's past, but the stupid birthers and also racists hate the fact that a black man was legally elected POTUS twice, so they make all sorts of lies and crap up about him.

Yes..
Because the only reason that anybody would not love Obama is his race.
Some of the most popular athletes, actors and singers are black but we will not tolerate a black politician. Maybe he's just incompetent.

My response to Canada would be the following:

Is Obama the elected President of the United States the answer would be yes. Is he a leader no. And if you want to know why I do not respect this man, then here is the answer:

The man has done nothing to get my respect. In fact if anything he has managed to do the one thing, which very few have done, and that is, gather my contempt. He has not brought the people together, but rather continues to drive a wedge in the fabric of society to continue to try to get his policies rammed into the public, be it that they like it or not. He has constantly ignored the cries of those who do not like him, and ultimately has further divided a strained country, in all ways.

If you look at history, there have been ups and downs in the economy, and yet, it works itself out.
He has not looked at the long term, what will follow when he leaves office; instead it has become apparent that the mess he leaves will be the problem of the next administration to clean up.
The buck does not stop with him; rather he passes on blame, rather than take it, like a good leader should.
He is given awards and accolades, and not for doing anything significant.
He has, lied, deceived and ultimately done things, that show a violation in the law, and yet still gets a free pass, without so much as a wrist slap.

While yes, he did remove the troops from Iraq, and now look at that country, it is in far worse and now there is something far greater of a threat that is causing the USA to go back into that country to clean up the mess that was made.
He has insulted allies, and appeared weak in front of other countries leaders.
But far worse, this current President, this man Obama, has shown that he is far worse than slick Willie and Tricky Dick. Can you honestly say you would trust a President who has no clue as to any of the major issues that catches the publics attention, to the point where he appears to be totally clueless, or is so kept in the dark, one must wonder who is really running the Executive Branch of the government? Or a man who interjects himself in a criminal case, with no clue as to the facts of the matter? Regan had Alzheimers, but his staff kept him well informed, and he at least knew something of what all was going on, but this goes beyond common sense.

And his supporters, all political tools, that have failed at doing what they should be doing. They would dare to silence the opposing side by using cheap arguments, instead of actually doing something novel like actually discussing or even refuting said arguments with facts, and telling the truth. And this President has done nothing, absolutely nothing to stop it at all, not a word, not a statement, not even so much as acknowledgement that everyone has the exact same right to speak. Instead he remains quiet and lets the endless insulting rhetoric continues, forcing a further divide in the country.

Now I do not like the Republicans, as they say and do things I do not like, but if it comes down to a choice between Obama and a Republican, I will chose the one who will be a leader of the country every time, and it will not be Obama. If anything, this current President, has soured the taste of seeing another minority or even a woman breaking through the glass ceiling for me for a very, very long time.

So when the President starts to act like a leader, he may start seeing the respect, and not the contempt that he is being shown.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: burdman30ott6



That's not fair to Bob Costas. He'd be eaten up inside of 5 minutes here and I like Bob.

Bob balances the case of Lebatt's... it would be gone in 5 minutes because I like Lebatt's.

a reply to: hellobruce

So where are his school records,where did he go to school for that matter no one seems to remember him,who paid for his education,what are his religious affiliations,whats his record as a professor of constitutional law,what the hell is a community organiser none of this was investigated in fact it was buried and off limits,yes he is a great orator,roman columns,music,special effects hes a master of all that but the fact is America voted for a phantom,race has nothing to do with it,he didn't have the requisite resume and 6 years later that is damn obvious.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The point when the comments are made are irrelevant. The OJ trial was national news, but it wasn't nearly as politicized as the Treyvon Martin case.
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Like it or not, the Obama admin CLEARLY politicized that case as well as the Ferguson incident.

There's very little that isn't being politicized at the moment and the President and his administration are certainly guilty of politicizing issues but this is hardly evidence of your initial assertion:

"Obama is DEFINITELY responsible for the racial tensions in this country as of current."

1. This goes back way before the Trayvon Martin shooting (Feb 2012):

2009 - Glenn Beck:

"This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," Beck said. "I don't know what it is."

2010 - Rush Limbaugh

He said somebody else said, 'This is payback,' meaning, 'All right, look. We don't care if it's the New Black Panthers or whoever it is. Black people in this country have never, ever had a fair shake. This is payback. O.J. Simpson was payback. How does it feel?' That word 'payback' is not mine, [but] it is exactly how I think Obama looks at the country: It's payback time... There's no question that payback is what this administration is all about, presiding over the decline of the United States of America, and doing so happily."

2. Timing does matter when you're establishing causality. For instance, you say he drove Ferguson into overdrive. Should the President make no comment at all? What exactly did he say that was radical anyway? August 14th statement. Appealing to people to hold themselves to a higher standard? Saying that there was no excuse for vandalism and looting? Maybe it was this: "police should not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their jobs and report to the American people on what they see on the ground."

Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree.

The myth that Obama is a bad President?

No, the myth that I was referring to is that Obama is "the most divisive President" in the modern era — at least that he is the most divisive because of anything he's done as opposed to who he is. Although, another popular one is that "he's the worst President" ever (at least in the modern era) and in my opinion, Bush 43 was worse by a healthy margin. Even then I don't think Bush was evil or hated America.

Austrian economics?

Yep. We've had that discussion before.

I actually agree with you about most everything else regarding Obama. In my book he's pretty standard and I agree that Presidents have done more with less. I'd give him a C-. He may have done a little better in my rating if he hadn't dismissed the public option behind the scenes to appease the insurance lobby.

originally posted by: Glassbender777
He had the chance to be a great president, but promised way to many things, that couldnt possibly be achieved. If he had just been a more forceful president that actually kept his word and didnt shy away from hard choices. To be fair he didnt really come into office with a fuzzy warm welcome, he had 2 wars, and economic crisis, and a congress hell bent on not doing a damn thing.

When he came into office he had both the house and the senate so if the congress under nancy p did not do anything how is it not his fault? Just more excuses for the worst president since jimmy carter.

originally posted by: guitarplayer

originally posted by: Glassbender777
He had the chance to be a great president, but promised way to many things, that couldnt possibly be achieved. If he had just been a more forceful president that actually kept his word and didnt shy away from hard choices. To be fair he didnt really come into office with a fuzzy warm welcome, he had 2 wars, and economic crisis, and a congress hell bent on not doing a damn thing.

When he came into office he had both the house and the senate so if the congress under nancy p did not do anything how is it not his fault? Just more excuses for the worst president since jimmy carter.

Another Republican propaganda talking point....Jimmy Carter being the worst president in history. May I ask, why do you think he was the worst president ever?

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: hellobruce

So where are his school records,

Where are the school records for every previous President, Vice President, Congressman, Senator.... they are all not available to any random that wants them, as they are private records.

where did he go to school for that matter no one seems to remember him,

What a stupid claim, why do you make it? What makes you think no one remembers him If you did some simple checking you would know where he went to school.... why don't you do that?

who paid for his education,what are his religious affiliations,whats his record as a professor of constitutional law,

Who paid for every other President, Vice President etc. etc?

what the hell is a community organiser none of this was investigated

What makes you claim that? How was the background of every previous President and Vice President investigated differently to Obama's?

in fact it was buried and off limits

Wrong again, it is no more buried or off limits than any previous President or Vice President....

,he didn't have the requisite resume

According to whom? What exactly should be in a President's resume, and how is Obama's different to any previous Presidents?

a reply to: daaskapital

He arrives and behaves like a Communist activist,ALL of his educational transcrpts are SEALED legally(WHO does that?)
His primary friends growing up are mostly Communists or Muslims...THAT we know of.
He has (with the help of an Iranian born bitch ,who says I AM a potential enemy to America) restarted the old cold war,continues to try to circumvent the Constitutional,because the 2nd Amendment is an insurmountable obstical that MUST be removed and Quite frankly, IF HE SAID water was wet I would feel the need to check.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Gryphon66

The problem is that facts generally deal with the "reality" of who, when, where, and how. The why is just as important but many times it is deeply hidden in a subjective motive or personal ideology that necessarily needs to be investigated and opined.

Not to get too philosophical, but what about the "what"? What happened? Seems to be the most important question to me, and because of human confirmation bias, the only way we have reasonably devised to overcome the "deeply hidden in a subjective motive or personal ideology" side of things is to use the scientific method whenever and wherever and however possible.

"Why" is important perhaps in terms of causality not so much in "how does some human somewhere feel about it."

All opinions are not equal, in short. Opinions based on the best facts available certainly supercede "well, I heard it on tv the other day and I believe it."