The Real Problem With Americans and Their Disrespect for Obama According to a Canadian

originally posted by: tavi45
I'm gonna have to say that the Obama hate is definitely rooted in racism.

Having nothing to do with his race but everything to doing with the failure of the Obama Administration, which he heads up -

Fast and Furious
Benghazi
Bombing more countries than George Bush
Attempting to enter a war in Syria
Overthrowing the government of Libya
Solyndra
Long list of lobbyists in his administration after he promised there'd be none.
Obamacare
Waivergate with Obamacare
Failed economic stimulus packages
Backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt before elections.
IRS Scandal targeting Obamas 'enemies'
His immigration policy and invitation to cross the wide open border.
Spying on the AP and Rosengate.
A race driven Dept of Justice and Holders corruption.
Obama interjecting himself into the Martin/Zimmerman situation.
Obama interjecting himself into the Boston cop v prof situation.
Obama refusing to call terrorism what it is but instead says 'workplace violence'.
The hacking of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer
Bergdahl-Taliban exchange, Obama broke the law that he himself signed and he didn't care.

Disliking these things and then, in turn, Obama for being responsible for them has nothing to do with his skin color. It has to do with him as POTUS. Period. (When George Bush pulled the failed stimulus etc etc, I didn't like that or him either. )

a reply to: lostbook

As a Canadian my self I agree with her. Obama is a great leader, its just that congress refuses to work with him so it makes it look like he is doing nothing.

Most people over look the problems with congress, they automatically jump down Obamas throat if ANY thing happens. Yes obama has used executive powers to pass or change laws but is his right as president. No president in recent history has had to put up with a congress like the one now. They only work the bare minimum amount of hours on the floor. The rest of the time they are kissing rich fat cats butts (their donors that bribed them) . any actually work they have done as a congress has basically been directed at blocking everything that obama wants to purpose.

So you see its not obama that you should be mad with. You should direct your anger towards your new congress that is going to be worse then the last one.

If I remember correctly.. The republicans had a majority of the seats in congress right before the great depression. Now I am not saying its going to happen again .... But history tends to repeat its self.

In the words of Mr. Cenk Uygur " Wolf - PAC . com"

a reply to: daaskapital

Of course people will dislike someone that constantly lies.

I have zero respect for obama.

Both the article and this thread is a very interesting read.

I've noticed a lot of people say that respect must be earned and it not automatically given. I disagree with that. Respect should always be given as a matter of common decency and courtesy and only when someone is not deserving of that respect should it not be given.

Many of those that disagree with Obama do not and have not given him an ounce of respect whatsoever. They never gave him a shot at all. Just because his name had a D next to it....they hated him. That's sad isn't it? Is that how we should conduct ourselves as intelligent, thoughtful people?

What we have witnessed over the last 6 years is that there is a political ideology in this country that is filled with hate and anger and is willing to lash out in any way possible against those that they see as the opposition. They will lie and take things out of context in order to demonize that opposition.

We have plenty of proof of that right here on ATS. How many threads have we read on this site where someone will post a story bashing Obama and the Left for what they have done/said, but then someone such as myself will come in, read the entire story behind the topic and will be honest enough to point out that the entire deal has been taken out of context and what they are claiming is not even true? I'd say hundreds of threads. It happens all the damn time. The Right will take things completely out of context, insert crazy conspiracies in to mundane stories and will even make stuff up.

I think too many people have been exposed to too much propaganda for far too long. They have been brainwashed so bad by the neoconservative machine that otherwise good, intelligent people become ravenous, hateful morons that, when it comes to politics, refuse to approach any issue with honesty and common sense because their goal is to destroy opposition.

It's funny that when they are confronted on their lies and half-truths, they fumble and try to obfuscate the issue...or they go directly for the obligatory "well, the Left does it too".

No.....no they don't. The Left has some serious issues, but they are not anywhere near the level of hatred and dishonesty as the Right. But I have noticed that the Left is quite envious of your excellent propaganda machine. They could only wish to be so good at brainwashing.

While I don't completely agree with this article, it's much needed. There are times in our lives when we need a friend to put their arm on our shoulder and tell us that we have a problem that needs addressed.

Anti-Obama folks: Yall got some issues. Seriously. As the old saying goes "Better check yourself before you wreck yourself".

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Krazysh0t

He got the nobel peace prize for being elected (that's it). He acts like a child when he doesn't get his way, and he has stirred up more racial tensions than we've had in 30 or 40 years. Obama can go suck a lemon.

I disagree on both points.

1. It's not a secret that the night of Obama's inauguration, there was a private dinner where more than a dozen GOP congressmen and policy makers including Cantor, Sessions, DeMint, Frank Luntz and Newt Gingrich devised a flat out obstructionist strategy. They didn't win the election so they decided to unilaterally oppose everything? Yet there's this meme that Obama "acts like a child when he doesn't get his way?" What would you call the GOP strategy of running the legislative process into the ground to the detriment of the US and her citizens in what has ultimately been a successful attempt to gain control of both houses of Congress?

I'm not saying that Obama is anything special or that he hasn't had overreaches but I'm also not going to pretend to be oblivious to the fact that no President has started off with the deck so completely stacked against him as this one either.

First off, we are talking about Obama here, not the Republican Congress. Yes the Congress is at fault for stonewalling Obama (and I'm sure there was some collusion there like you mentioned), but gridlock takes participation from BOTH parties, not just one. Obama most certainly DOES whine and complain when he doesn't get his way. He refuses to compromise with Republicans and even locks them out of decision making meetings. Then when the Republicans block his policies, Obama tries to go around them through executive order without giving an inch. Too bad for him that he is hamstringed by his office's true power.

Also, Obama isn't the first President to go through this. Did you not know about the election of 1800 between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams?

In a move that Jefferson would tell Abigail was the one action of John Adams that bothered him personally, Adams appointed a number of Jefferson's political opponents to high positions just before leaving office. During Jefferson's presidency, the relationship between the men was at its worst.

Also I'm sure that some of the Presidencies leading up to the Civil War were pretty hamstrung and gridlocked fresh out of the gate. And hey at least half the country didn't secede when he took office.

2. The racial tension that you're ascribing to Obama doesn't stem from his own actions and it started even before he was elected. Would you say that last year's Miss America stirred up racial tensions? All she did was have the nerve to be of Indian descent.

Obama has been in office for 6 years now, the racial tensions that caused the controversy from last year were already high at that point. Also, just because racial tensions were stirred up by his presidency doesn't mean that racial tensions didn't exist before he was elected.

But I would like to point out that Obama (and his crony Holder) were responsible for politicizing the Treyvon Martin case and helped to send the Ferguson issue into overdrive. Obama is DEFINITELY responsible for the racial tensions in this country as of current.

As early as 2007, Obama was being accused of being BOTH a black power radical of the Christian variety (Rev. Wright) and a Kenyan Muslim Manchurian candidate (birthers, etc). Remember the rioting at Ole Miss after the 2012 election? Did Obama make a bunch of racist tweets after being reelected?

For one, I don't give a crap about the Kenyan or Muslim crap. That is just a made up conspiracy theory to discredit Obama, and it isn't even the first time it's happened in this country. Meet Chester A. Author the Canadian(?)

Also keep in mind, Obama WAS the first black president. That is bound to upset some racists in the country, but you'd be lying if you said that Obama has done anything to unite the different races in the country.

He's a "Chicago thug" right? You don't think that people associate Chicago with black on black crime and how long has it been since the term "thug" was popular used for anyone other than black criminals? Even the "community organizer" dig has been cultivated because it strikes an emotional chord among people who sincerely believe that one of the biggest impediments to "American exceptionalism" are lazy blacks on welfare. You know, those people that got Obama elected because he gives them things like the infamous Obama phone (even though the actual program predates Obama by 10 years).

I don't even know where you are going with this. I didn't offer up this point at any point in my posts. I do think that Obama was a bit inexperienced for the job, but that I blame on his youth and the fact that he was only a Senator for a short period before running for President. He WAS from Chicago though, and that is considered one of the most corrupt cities in the country. I'm sure that means something, but I have no evidence to pin against him, so I'm leaving that alone.

I really hate looking like I'm defending Obama. In my opinion, he's just another neoliberal front man for the oligarchy and not even a fraction of the left-winger that he's made out to be. That doesn't mean that the right hasn't completely lost its s# either. On the topic of memes, there's one that in my opinion illustrates more than others exactly how ridiculous the scapegoating of Obama has gotten: Thanks Obama! The right blaming Obama for everything is so commonplace that it's become a joke.

You should carefully reread all my posts in this thread, I'm neither defending the right nor the left's actions. I'm just trying to call it like I see it. Obama is a substandard President. He's not the worst President though. And believe it or not he has done some things right. Marriage equality is at an all time high. Marijuana legalization has moved forward faster during his Presidency then ever before because of his hands off attitude. I like that he tried to address the health care issue in this country (I don't like his solution though). I feel like he is honestly trying to get the economy back going, unfortunately I think the economics he is using is flawed.

My opinion on Obama has gone up and down throughout these last 6 years, but at his best he has only been tolerable for me. I liked Clinton better.

PS: You should study Presidential history a bit more. Many of the things that the Obama admin has attempted along with many of the things that the Republicans have done to hinder the Obama admin are all OLD political tricks that have been going on since our nation's founding.

a reply to: Jainine

Race is the only thing keeping him from being held accountable for his crimes against the citizens.

PC and affirmative action have got to go.

a reply to: Jainine

Race is the only thing keeping him from being held accountable for his crimes against the citizens.

PC and affirmative action have got to go.

a reply to: FalcoFan

What crimes has he committed against the US Citizens?

I'm genuinely curious.

Given the opportunity, Canadians would trade our leader—hell, most of our leaders—for Obama in a heartbeat.

Americans showing disrespect for Obama?

Pot, meet kettle.

a reply to: theantediluvian

a reply to: buster2010

I agree with you both. Sheepslayer as well.

a reply to: Jainine

And you have listed nearly ALL the talking points. Good for you. FOX news would LOVE you!

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: network dude

Nice picture. Two can play this game:

Oh you post a picture which still shows movement from his blurred hand?

Ha...What a fail.

originally posted by: StoutBroux

Given the opportunity, Canadians would trade our leader—hell, most of our leaders—for Obama in a heartbeat.

Pot, meet kettle.

Not much to gain by trading..lol
As for Obama For the most part he is following the script laid out for him..like all presidents, it just depends on the state of the rest of the world at the time.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

I've noticed a lot of people say that respect must be earned and it not automatically given. I disagree with that. Respect should always be given as a matter of common decency and courtesy and only when someone is not deserving of that respect should it not be given.

I judge any person by their character. Normally when I meet someone new, I give them what I call neutral respect. As in, I will treat them the way I would want them to treat me. From that point, that neutral respect may go up, or it may go down based upon learning more about their character.

When someone lies to me, when someone tells me I have to do things that they would never do, when someone says they will do one thing and then does another, respect has to be earned at that point.

Bush lied, Obama lied, thus neither one of them get my respect.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: lostbook

Think about it: Barack Obama is a young Nelson Mandela.

Thats a load of crap. Nelson Mandela fought against the status quo, Obama embellishes it.

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Agreed. People shouldn't compare him to Mandela.

originally posted by: xuenchen
I respect all of Obama's failures.

lol!

originally posted by: StoutBroux

Given the opportunity, Canadians would trade our leader—hell, most of our leaders—for Obama in a heartbeat.

Pot, meet kettle.

Your point is lost on me. We already agree that Harper sucks.

a reply to: lostbook

I have respect for his position,and I have respect for the fact he is in that position. I do not respect what he has done while in it.TPTB may have a tight reign on things,but he has some control that he refuses to use. When I look at him I don't see a black man making history, I see Bush Jr. continuing on with his agenda. Because that is all he has pretty much done. I know that ACA (so called Obamacare) did not start with him. He has merely tried to put it in effect,but why is Guantanamo still open? Why can drones take out people with no trial or judge? Why is our privacy still being ripped apart? Why did he let TPTB have him bail out wall street and auto manufacturers? I'm tired of a lying press that couldn't report the truth if it bit them in the butt.I think he gets away with too much. And the propaganda machine on his foreign policies is out of control. He needs to get rid of Hillary the war hawk and stop ignoring his daily meetings and pay attention to what is said. I guess being used to people like Rob Ford anything else looks good.

originally posted by: Dimithae
I guess being used to people like Rob Ford anything else looks good.

You DO know that Toronto is but 1 city in the country, right? RoFo is an aberration in Canadian politics. Kinda like a lighter version of Teddy Kennedy.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well said, True Brit!

The dumbest part here is that, yes, we have a long history of disagreeing with our elected officials and yes, it is every American's sacred right to do so, but, who is being hurt by the HATRED and VITRIOL and utter DISRESPECT about 50% of the nation and the media HEAP on the man at EVERY OPPORTUNITY, showing IRE not toward his POLICIES but toward the MAN AND THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT.

I was raised to respect our traditions, the Constitution, and the members of our Government, but particularly the President.

(Yea, blah-blah statist this statist that *blows big wet raspberry*)

I loathed the policies of Ronald Reagan with a red-hot passion. But, he was the President of the United States. He got shot, I cried and even prayed for his life and safe recovery. Why?

Because The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES deserves our respect, not because of the man that temporarily holds the office, but because THAT IS OUR HEAD OF STATE! He REPRESENTS America and Americans. Like it or not.

You spit on him, you're spitting on yourself, and on our flag, and everyone who ever gave their lives for us, and on our country.

The sheer rampant stupidity of the commentary that has been directed toward President Obama represents a turning point in our history.

The America we grew up with is indeed gone.

Welcome to the Jungle.