The Real Problem With Americans and Their Disrespect for Obama According to a Canadian

originally posted by: Idahomie
Must be from Vancouver. Its legal there. That can be the only answer, this Canadian can't see through the haze.

If you're referring to weed, no it isn't. The only Vancouver where it will be legal soon is in Oregon. Try another insult. It may stick.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

So, let me get this straight, I have sincere feelings of disgust for this man, therefore, I'm brainwashed?

It's quite possible, yes.

Your first post contained a huge talking point I hear all the time from the Right wing MSM. That is anyone the supports Obama or even gives him a fair shot worships him, bows down to him...it's a religion, etc.

That sort of rhetoric and propaganda has been pushed heavily.

Not only that, but it's a weak attack in and of itself. Do you really think anyone, even if the support Obama, really wants to worship him as some god?

Of course, not. That's just silly nonsense. Come up with something better.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: TiedDestructor

He's holding a freakin dog while trying to salute, ya goof.

Pretty sure that's par for the course when it comes to "disrespectful salutes". Obama had latte-salute, bush had dog-salute.

So yeah, I'd say it pretty well illustrates that most presidents are guilty of the occasional "sloppy salute" to our military members.

Hahahaha

Get a life. That was my point initially.

Apologies for not being more clear.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Perhaps you didn't notice where I said that disagreeing with the President and his policies was a sacred American right?

Hold the man to account for his actions. If he has trampled the Constitution as you say, he should be tried and if convicted be held to answer for his crimes.

The Office of the US President is a fairly unique office among world governments and many functions are contained therein. The President, in this sense, is not only the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he is also the Chief Executive and Head of Government, (Nominal) Leader of the Democratic Party, etc, but he is also the Head of State. It is in this latter function that my previous piece addressed the respect due the office.

To be precise without being too tedious, I offer the following:

The head of state is vested with powers to act as the chief public representative of that state. Heads of state in most countries are natural persons holding an office. In a monarchy the reigning monarch is the head of state, though the title may not be king or queen. In a republic the head of state is usually titled president, but may have other titles such as chairman. The role and functions of the office of head of state may range from purely ceremonial or symbolic to the real executive power in a state.

It is in this sense, and this sense only, in which I say that the President represents the People and the United States itself.

EDIT: President Obama is just the man holding the office, and he is certainly flawed as most humans are. He has made some bonehead choices and has been asleep at the wheel more than once. He also came into the worst situation economically the US or the world had seen in 40 years. But, like I said, if he's actually a traitor, and it can be proven, I say let the system work. The man is not as important as the system.

I think Obama is one of the greatest frauds of all time there never has been nor will there be a leader of my country who isn't vetted and analysed,this guy got a free pass with quite a dubious/mysterious history 6 years later its obvious hes an empty suit which has nothing to do with race he is just not competent for the job,well the USA better check the credentials of the next President your going to need a lot more than hot air and bs to fix your loss of standing in the world.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Trayvon Martin was shot on February 26th. Obama's comments were made on March 23rd.

Michael Brown was shot on August 9th. It wasn't until September 4th that Eric Holder announced that there would be an investigation.

In both instances, the administration's involvement was weeks after they'd become national news items following local outrage. Personally, I wish Obama would have abstained from making comments about Trayvon Martin but in my opinion, the comments were fairly innocuous. They did however inflame the anger of quite a few, almost exclusively white, right-wingers and frankly, I hold them responsible for their own reactions.

The point when the comments are made are irrelevant. The OJ trial was national news, but it wasn't nearly as politicized as the Treyvon Martin case. I didn't see the Attorney General start an investigation into OJ after the trial just because he was acquitted. Like it or not, the Obama admin CLEARLY politicized that case as well as the Ferguson incident.

That upset me greatly and still does. It is a clear undermining of our Judicial System, all because they were upset that a racist may have gotten away with murder. But that's the way we designed our Judicial System, sometimes a bad apple gets away.

I wasn't implying that you bought into the Rev Wright/Birther/etc crap — I was just pointing to it as evidence of the race-based backlash to the election of a black President. It goes directly to my argument that Obama is not responsible for the uptick in racial tension. The same goes for the popular buzzwords and memes that I mentioned (Chicago thug, community organizer, Obama phones). I'd also point out that it was widely predicted by right-wing bloggers that there would be riots if Zimmerman was acquitted and they didn't materialize. In my opinion, it's jackasses like that who add the most fuel to the fire.

And I'm pointing out that those tactics are all old hat. Other Presidents have dealt with them in the past and still got stuff accomplished. Remember, Abraham Lincoln got elected and the Civil War started as a result. I'd say that is a BIT more impeding than whatever Obama is going through. And good ole Abe is a white guy.

I read your posts carefully the first time. I wasn't implying that you were but I was arguing that you're wrong about the reasons for the increase in racial tensions. In my opinion you're buying into a myth. While your reasons for believing it may be different, it's the same myth. I agree with much of the rest of what you said right up to:

The myth that Obama is a bad President?

Actually I agree with you to an extent but if I remember correctly, what you'd likely consider to be more sound economic theory is what I consider to be among the most flawed.

Austrian economics?

Really? I'd have thought that little ad hominem dig was beneath you. I guess I should have been a bit more specific and said, "no modern President." I'm by no means a historian but I'm not ignorant of history either.

Sorry, I can be picky about these things. But seriously, knowledge of history is a MUST if you want to understand the actions and reactions of the present and the trends of the future. By studying history, I discovered that much of the hyperbole coming from both the left and the right has been used SOOOO many times in the past that it isn't even funny anymore. They pretend like it is fresh and with THIS president, everything will go to crap or whatever. It's all bs, but both sides are swimming in it. And when looked at objectively, Obama is a substandard President. Yes, he has been hamstringed by the right, but he isn't the first President to have that happen to him, and his situation certainly isn't the worst. Other Presidents have dealt with worse and gotten better legislation passed and more stuff done.

Obama has been shielded by the media his whole career. We knew more about sarah Palin in a week than we know about Obama in six years.
When his deeds over those last six years are ridiculed, he is being picked on.
I can find gw bush's sat scores.
Obama ' s are a rumor at best.
That's just one of the questions that the media has given him a pass on. I say he should just deal with the heat. Don't like it b, do a better job.

Respect is earned. Its not given or deserved. If he wants the respect of his political opponents, he needs to make an attempt to earn it. Six years into this, I haven't seen much attempt to do that yet. I have seen him ignore his opponents while cramming Obamacare down their throats, supporting failed attempts at a cap-and-trade tax and 2nd amendment restrictions, and now, he's threatening to grant illegals amnesty for his party's political gain. Those are a few examples. He doesn't respect my positions, so why should I show any respect for his?

Obama is part of a large group, he's just the face of the political party. It's not like he was running for mayor of a small town where he can get away with making executive decisions all the time. Only a handful of presidents were able to do that, and that was in a very different time.
So, I do agree with her, him as a stand alone is a great leader. But not all his ideas can just be brought into effect. It's up to the next political party to carry the torch. Obama started with a mess, and wanted a clean slate, but it takes more than 8 years to do that.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Straw man and deflection.
I don't watch FOX news.
What I posted is accurate.
It isn't his skin color. It's his POTUS actions.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Obama has been shielded by the media his whole career.

Keep saying it. It may become true, just like other fairy tales. That "Martyr Syndrome" that the right has been pushing since before he was elected is getting OLD!

a reply to: ProfessorChaos


I will be glad when it is over, his has been the most divisive administration in recent history, I want the nation to heal.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I want the nation to heal.

I don't see anyone on the horizon who could bring this country together.
Hillary? Jeb? Ted Cruz? Christie? Elizabeth Warren? ALL NO!!

Trade our leader for Obama? Is she out of her tree?

No, would trade him for another decent Canadian that is not extreme and preferably NDP, and a female one at that. Freedom AND Equality!

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I want the nation to heal.

I don't see anyone on the horizon who could bring this country together.
Hillary? Jeb? Ted Cruz? Christie? Elizabeth Warren? ALL NO!!

This injury to the American people is going to take decades to heal. I've never seen it like this. It used to be said that you don't talk about politics and religion. That worked because that's all that we've been talking about and neighbor has turned against neighbor. Do you all not see that you're in the same frickin boat? And fighting amongst yourselves? If you see that, you can see a way out of the crap your mired in right now.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: ProfessorChaos


I will be glad when it is over, his has been the most divisive administration in recent history, I want the nation to heal.

It will not heal until the Republicans learn that they have been even more divisive than and party or administration in history. They will continue down their path of hate a vitriol and I think that it is tearing this country apart.

Obama hasn't done anything to this country, except enact a horrible healthcare plan and it appears that the economy has begun to get back on track under his watch.

So I don't know why people are whining and crying. People that do are just victims of their own propaganda and believe that Obama is the worst president ever....when that isn't even close to the truth.

I don't care what Obama thinks about the other politicians in D.C. He can ignore them, blame them, insult them, and block them. But, what I DO care about is the way he has given the finger to the American people.

When we wanted answers about Benghazi, all we got was obfuscation and a "what difference does it make" attitude.

When we wanted to get to the bottom of the IRS corruption, we got delays, malfunctions in computer systems, lies and more delays.

When we wanted to find out about the Fast and Furious gun walking operation, we were stonewalled.

He promised transparency and this is the least transparent administration I have ever seen. He skips his intelligence briefings, golfs right after a fellow American is beheaded, ignores the advice of his top military advisers, treats The People's House like they don't exist and has his kiss-up Senate majority leader put every bill that comes there in a drawer. He doesn't even give The People the respect to address and debate the bills their representatives presented.

He wants to go it alone on everything through Executive Orders and We The People absolutely do not want him to do that on the major issues that are going to affect our country for years to come.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Obama has been shielded by the media his whole career.

Keep saying it. It may become true, just like other fairy tales. That "Martyr Syndrome" that the right has been pushing since before he was elected is getting OLD!

Old story maybe. Still true.
They didn't even bother to look for his skeletons

originally posted by: lostbook
Given the opportunity, Canadians would trade our leader—hell, most of our leaders—for Obama in a heartbeat.


qz.com...

We don't want Canada's leaders, per se. But I support the idea of trading Obama to Canada. How about this, Canada gets Obama, Obama's entire cabinet, and Bob Costas and in exchange, Canada sends us:
Don Cherry
10 non-sequentially numbers, unmarked Quebec goalies
a case of Lebatt Blue
and 5 cases of All-Dressed chips.

Let's make this happen, eh!

a reply to: sheepslayer247

The only way the division will heal is if both sides finally admit blame and make a legitimate effort to reach out and understand the positions of the other. Neither side seems too interested in that.