The 25th anniversary of the Lazar saga...

I think Bob Lazar is barking-up the wrong tree, about his theory on starship propulsion.

As for Area 51...I seriously doubt that any alien race that had the ways and means to arrive at our planet on a starship, would leave behind a starship that has crashed or been shot down, including any dead/wounded/captured starship crew.

a reply to: GeorgeKnapp

Hiya Mr Knapp,

I haven't gotten into the details of Lazar for a long time and feel there's no big incentive to do so now. By that, I mean you were there at the time and even you remain undecided. There's no conclusions to be had beyond personal interpretations. If you can't find a certainty, I know I won't either.

As I remember it, Lazar cited Teller as a colleague. When Teller was asked about Lazar, he became annoyed or dismissive and refuted it. This was taken by some as evidence that Teller had something to hide - that it was corroborating evidence of Lazar's accounts etc.

Wouldn't it be equally possible (or moreso) that Teller expressed annoyance because he was being used as a prop in a narrative he had nothing to do with? That's what I was getting at.

So many of the big stories within ufology have injected historical figures that I see it as fingerprints of the mythmakers involved. We've had Kilgallen, Monroe, JFK and the cast of MJ-12...not to forget Presidents meeting aliens, Holloman AFB etc. Personally, I don't buy all these narratives and suspect they've been injected to give the stories plausibility and appeal.

It might be interesting to know why so many of these stories have been created, but it's unlikely any of us will know the source or the facts. Like you say, it's perpetual 'grey basket.' Whatever it is, the proponents are, or were, out of reach of armchair enthusiasts like me or seasoned journalists like your good self. For what it's worth, I might have different suspicions to yours, but I believe you're an honest reporter and accept what you say as truthful.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I haven't really got into the details of this too much at all myself. Back in 1989 and 1990 most of us in Britain were limited to 4 channels on TV, a few radio channels, perhaps a newspaper or two. Although I heard the bits and pieces of the story at the time it was very limited because there was no global grapevine like we have now. And these stories were always seen as being for the whackos out there.

So my memories of it down the years have tended to come from UFO documentaries , many of which were terrible, and a few books/magazines (ditto). Even the good ones didn't tend to do in depth pieces. The main focus always seemed to be "There are UFOs at Area 51" especially the "sports model", that Bob presented. A nice sleek shiny saucer.

But the UFOs are actually the least interesting part of the case (sorry to keep banging on about that point)

I haven't done any in depth research but this thread piqued my interest. So I read a bit more and it seems that Bob Lazar had a number of interesting acquaintances. I have since listened to an old C2C broadcast with George Knapp and Bob Lazar. What I find interesting is why Gene Huff had to tag along. Who else has their 'buddy' join in with a radio interview? Why does Bob Lazar skirt around the topic of his qualifications? Then there were the highly unusual number of callers who had knowledge about areas Bob was involved in. I have another one or two 'podcasts' to listen to on my regular commutes this week.

I said earlier in the thread that I have a lot of respect for George Knapp (before he entered the thread) and I hope something new can be brought to the table in his C2C broadcast this weekend.

At the end of the day what is this all about though?

Is it all about a man seeking attention?
Is it a UFO story?
Is it a disinformation piece?
Is it a industrial spy story?
Is it something else?

Because I really have no idea.

Over to you Mr. Knapp.

Maybe 25 years down the line can we edge closer to the truth, maybe not?

a reply to: GeorgeKnapp

I appreciate you taking the time to answer these questions being lobbed at you here. Please don't take offense to what might seem like accusations regarding your character or motives. If Bob is telling the truth about what he's seen and experienced and it could be proven it would forever alter human history. Regardless of if he was duped, used to spread disinformation or he legitimately saw and touched alien technology. The enormity of that is not something many here take lightly. We'd be remiss as "truth seekers" if we didn't consider all possibilities, motives and evidence. For the most part I think we would like to believe.

And for the record I have no interest in the greenness of your horn 25 years ago or now

originally posted by: GeorgeKnapp
a reply to: mirageman

I plan to do a show this month. Nov. 23rd. Bob Lazar and his friend Gene Huff will join me for all four hours of the program.

Just a reminder that Bob Lazar is on Coast 2 Coast am with George Knapp now.

a reply to: CosmicRay

My point about Teller was mentioned in the opening hour.

It was lost in translation, mangled and then related like a Chinese whisper to Bob Lazar.

Teller being there does not validate Lazar's wider claims. Guys who make awesome cars with jet engines aren't top-of-the-list for being headhunted by theoretical physicists. Last I heard, scientists are employees of military, not the CEOs with ability to offer jobs and TS clearances.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I believe "no comment" or something to that effect was the response when Knapp asked Lazar about the stolen piece of element 115.

youtu.be...

"You know there's always been a couple, you know, relatively minor things that I've always kept to myself, that I haven't mentioned to you or Gene, and the only reson for this is: should anyone come forward and really claim they were part of the project 'there', or something, you have to tell me something that I haven't said publically.

And that's what I'm always looking for, and that's why I haven't said a few things and, you know, and that goes true or, uh, that's true for a lot of these people that have come out, uh, you know, the information they have presented is the exact same thing, is sometimes the exact same wording..."

-Bob Lazar

I see, so, Bob controls the story despite his poor memory and lack of interest, and Bob's story is the standard to which all other stories involving this bull# must be compared. Okay.

From there Bob's story just curls back on itself in the usual recursive bull#-loop that we have come to know and love about how Bob does not “follow this UFO thing”. You can listen for yourself starting at 204:50.

www.youtube.com...

I dunno, anyone up for discussing how tragically wrong this is? Or shall we just let it drop?

a reply to: Bybyots

I haven't had time to listen to the interview yet but if there is anything interesting I'll come back and let you know.

originally posted by: Kandinsky

Teller being there does not validate Lazar's wider claims. Guys who make awesome cars with jet engines aren't top-of-the-list for being headhunted by theoretical physicists. Last I heard, scientists are employees of military, not the CEOs with ability to offer jobs and TS clearances.

Scientists are rarely directly employed by the military except at a few labs, NRL, ARL and AFRL. More often employed at DOE labs or private companies. A powerful group leader might be able to offer a low-level technician job on the spot, but the clearance woudl still take many months/years as that's not in their control.

It's extremely unlikely though somebody like Teller would bother with someone like Lazar. It's entirely different levels, like Michael Jordan taking an interest in a 5th grade club player.

I finally listened to the Lazar interview on C2C.

Whilst the story is very interesting and entertaining ,especially to those unfamiliar with this tale, I still think it's a head scratcher.

The story has not really expanded or morphed as others have down the years.
Bob Lazar does not seem interested in the 'fame' it brought him and has not (at least to my knowledge) profited from the whole affair. He also seems to have known things which would have been very difficult to know in 1989. But after all these years we are still left with having to use our gut feeling over whether it's true, whether at least Bob believes it to be true or if it's all a bunch of baloney.

I think Kandinsky summed it up nice by saying "it's perpetual 'grey basket.'"

I've heard...besides Henry Kissinger, that the late Edward Teller had access to United States government --- Ultra Top Secret Files --- that even the POTUS is possibly denied access too; which supposedly contains secrets about otherworlder peaceful invasions of our planet.

Some questions for Bob Lazar:

Does it matter whether the United States flag plastered on a flying saucer is backwards or not? I mean...a flying saucer should be able to go in all sorts of different directions --- so what's the beef?

So you saw and were involved with a "sport" model saucer...so what about the military one?

You're theory on saucer propulsion is questionable...but what is your opinion on a micro-mini black hole photon propulsion unit installed onboard a saucer starship? A black hole element...should be one of the heavier elements in our universe...so a natural gravitational field should be regulated to function reliably on a saucer, not to mention the potential for the saucer to reach superluminal speeds and offensive and defensive OPs as well.


Thanks,

Erno

a reply to: Erno86

Bob would like to thank you for your questions, and asked me to tell you that he will be on here very shortly to give you detailed answers!

a reply to: Erno86

I suspect the 'backward flag' was in the story to make people think about parallel dimensions. It's like that idea in science fiction of an alternative Earth behind the sun.

It's a literary technique used to lead the reader into the author's fictional world.

a reply to: Erno86

Just to nit-pick, the orientation of the US Flag, from a flagpole perspective, is correct either way.
Makes you wonder, who put the flag on

a reply to: PrinceRupertsDog

I did a search for element 115 on this forum and found a thread with someone directly involved with it trying their best not to look like a total fool. After reading through this thread there is no way you could take the Lazar thing even remotely seriously.

Element 115 Thread

originally posted by: JerryTheUnfair
a reply to: PrinceRupertsDog
After reading through this thread there is no way you could take the Lazar thing even remotely seriously.

I think you're being a bit unfair.





Oh... right.

a reply to: draknoir2

But did you read the thread I linked to? No comments on it? I mean, it has people directly involved with Bob Lazar in it, and seeing how this thread does not I would think folks would be very keen on reading it.