The Empty Verses: As Above, So below.

originally posted by: ErgoTheAbsurd
a reply to: Bluesma
I will be true,
The fact you are Blue,
Means nothing to me.

Haha... this is a good example, my handle here. I have had people say it made them think of many different things,
like as in Blues music, and the term "Bluesman".... or the color we call Blue....

For me (and I don't expect anyone else to have grasped this) it is a reference to my first horse, whose name was "Blue Joy", commonly called "Blue" and who was young when I got him, and I saw my relationship as one of a maternal nature... hence Blue's Ma . I called myself that many many years ago, and just continued using it ever since (to keep some continuity in my online persona, that others can recognize me from one site to the next (and I remain accountable for my posts and actions in the cyber world ).

But anyway, yeah.... there was no deep meaning ascribed to that choice (except for me, it brings to my mind an important relationship, and memories- I had to put him down one day). But others are free to ascribe whatever if they wish. That is how we individualize our thoughts!

I am all for people injecting their own meaning in symbols and words. The bass is there, we each add our treble.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I don't know where to begin in responding here because you have surpassed much of what is comprehensible in this form of communication. A multitude of things are stirring inside me but to try and place them in word in response is seemingly ridiculous in light of all that you have implied and not implied, said and not said, inferred and not inferred.

You are saying everything and nothing. Committing to everything intellectually yet to the contradiction of it all I see a rendering in futility. You give away the non-understanding in Spirit and only fight the struggle in flesh body, mind and topical condition perceived. It is the precipice of deception in realizing a true perception while cast inside the 'cage' we are in. It appears that you have forsaken something far more meaningful.

How interesting and profound! A resignation in understanding.

The nature of this conflict is to surpass contradictions (this world which is the mirror of the true condition of our imprisonment) and the very nature of what we perceive as 'reality' for a higher cause that is indescribable but the most profound experience by virtue of the very contradictions experienced. Intellectualizing life will not bring you any closer to the truth............it will serve to perpetuate the actual condition you are striving to get away from. Spirit is a different 'being' from the intellectual brain, you cannot intellectualize the Spirit for the mind in intellect is where the creation of 'Ego' spawned.........derailing us from all things 'true' and 'truly profound'.

You mis-percieve that in the end that is our real 'test', even if it is by and through our own will which ultimately is Divine. You have undone your own argument and proven the fact in this duplicitous battle waged between the material soul and the true Reality in our Spirit which ultimately is why we are here.

Time is a huge part of this deception used to harness and cage us...........if you actually realized what has been done with linear time to manipulate us you would be utterly dumbfounded, thus even the perception of 'reality' is a plaything for them.

a reply to: AlephBet

Do you not think that intellect is the pathway to 'ego' derailing one from truly 'seeing' things as they might be?

I'm not saying that emotion is the way through........in fact it would be the opposite because emotion and our concept of linear time including our DNA is the very thing used against us to manipulate and imprison us which religion is famous for doing not to mention countless other forms of manipulation. The concept of Father and Mother are introspective at best...........and con-figuratively devised in perception to suit this version of 'reality' currently hijacked and surrendered to through us and by virtue of the snare created that we walked right into.

What we have conjectured as a result of our fall (loss of WHO and WHAT we ARE) is the version of reality we are adhering to which in reality is not the 'Truth' at all but a projection of them 'through us' - using us.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Hello and may Peace be with you.

"Thrice great? Thrice awful!," you say,...
"Thrice shame unto me!!!," say I!!!

In my haste of ego and attachment, I allowed the, oh so clear, and, oh so beautiful, articulation of the op to allude me.




I must thank tetra50 for the very sobering and truthful reply:

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

And yet, so few here seem to "get" his thread….which really is great, both the writing and the thinking that produced it so. I expect more from the minds hereabouts, so I'm posting to bump Les Misanthrope's thread….
tetra

LesMisanthrope,
I agree with a vast swath of your op. I discovered insights through the, "Emerald Tablets," by taking them into consideration with a wider-range of philosophic, religious, and esoteric thought. On their own, and without context or comparison, they truly are what you say they are.

Perhaps, the perceived profundity of the, "Emerald Tablets," actually lay in their seeming ability to stir within us, our very own personal insights,... as if they were a psychological catalytic-mirror, the view of which unlocks and clarifies our own understandings. Oh the irony, in that, they act as an intellectual projection of the individual, "As within, so without," hahaha!

When all has been said and considered, all words, even the, "Emerald Tablets," are indeed empty. Words, no matter how cleverly written, can never encapsulate the true essence of any 'thing.'

Your critique showed an eloquent usage of literary skill and unique style,... and reflects brightly, the level of intelligence and understanding of its creator. I very much enjoyed re-reading the op a few times over, after putting aside personal ego and seeing it for what 'it is.' S&F

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: AlephBet

Look that's the problem…linear mathematics….linear anything, in this place borne out of anything but one thing following another. It appears to be this way, but that is only the appearance. There are many appearances which are just that: what something looks like. Obviously, that it isn't what it looks like is a deduced fact from the implication in the word.

You think one year follows another, 2013, 2014 and so on. But it doesn't, and it hasn't. In making the "rules" of this place, the ruler of it has broken every one of those appearing rules. Every single one. Time isn't what most people think it is. Nothing here is. That's how the appearance of this place was made. But it's only an appearance, nothing more. In fact, almost everything here that appears to lead to a certain conclusion, in fact leads to the opposite….

If we are to survive intact, ethically, here, we must know this, and act with this knowledge in our mindset of rules, inmymosthumbleopinion….
regards to you, alephbet
tetra

Wow how profoundly put in truth! Tetra you are rare indeed..................but few will comprehend this 'Fact' which is like a wave the opposite of all things in this current 'reality'. What is rendered in this world is indeed appearance but that buys the souls ensnared because they cannot see the difference for the most part it is only for those that 'truly seek' but unlike what Aleph said we are NOT meant to adjust to 'their' rendition of our reality.

The world for the most part has bought their very destruction and demise under the 'belief systems' propagated by the very enemy that feeds and relies on us for our powers in order to sustain the very drama of our existence and creation that we built for them. As a result we have a population willing to defend the very thing that is destroying them unbeknownst.

To Aleph:
Time is so utterly distorted along with our DNA and in actuality what ever we think 'This IS'..we are deluded and in delusion they use all things including emotion, ego, weaknesses, soul, every emotion, fears, emotion brain, intellect brain, neural, soul matrix...........which it is anything but the truth. I was speaking with James Bartley over the very issue of this utter time manipulation that has been happening since the 1980's (in reality far prior) and increasingly worsening since 1982........this is not intellectual conjecture as I'm sure the argument will want to believe but many MILABS will tell you these anomalies which in many ways have been apparent for they can't even hide that not to mention those that are 'plugged in' and are breaking through their manipulations........time is easy for them to augment and manipulate as well as our consciousness............at least many but not all! It is these rare few that can't be manipulated nor properly snared as the others that hold more truth in understanding but you won't see them here for the most part. Maybe a few here and there but the majority will be protected and hidden until such time that they will 'shift' truth and 'reality' for the betterment because time is short and the wave is already here.

a reply to: Egyptia

Yeast makes bread rise. Suffering is either a result of taking reward or the work that earns reward. Genesis 3 points out that we toil for what we eat. This includes knowledge. We can either overcome and rise or fall further and sink. It goes back to how we manage suffering. Suffering on purpose is the smart thing to do. It's an environment of forced development from the presence of need. Necessity is the mother of invention. Seek, Find and Adapt.

I know you are just coming back. Check out a few of my previous threads. I've found some really interesting information lately.

Another thread by you denigrating spirituality, what a surprise.

Yet another tedious proclamation by you about something which you have no experience of.

Not only do you not have the experience to evaluate the subject with intellectual honesty, you also lack the will and discipline to even investigate it for yourself.

You are not qualified enough to speak about this subject with any credibility.

originally posted by: Bluesma
For me (and I don't expect anyone else to have grasped this) it is a reference to my first horse, whose name was "Blue Joy", commonly called "Blue" and who was young when I got him, and I saw my relationship as one of a maternal nature... hence Blue's Ma .

Oh Miss Blue,
You always seem true,
Which makes me very fond of you.

Please don't construe,
My verbal dew,
As mockery of you.

Les Mis offers an invitation,
For my particular inflection,
To soften our mental infection.

This platform of words,
Allows us to polish turds,
Despite our being absurds.

I could continue,
Within this venue,
But I desire no rhyme.

Or reason with time,
The season of slime,
We are witnesses to a crime.

Of disjointed royalty,
With no loyalty,
To worthwhile tea time.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
You are not qualified enough to speak about this subject with any credibility.

You are not qualified enough to bother writing a poem for.

a reply to: ErgoTheAbsurd

Whatever makes you sleep at night, do you or Les have decades of experience practicing mystical traditions? Do you even have years or months under your belt?

If not, your opinion is worthless and without credibility.

Sigh... wannabe philosophers that haven't even taken their first baby steps wanting to claim the title of philosopher..

Laughable.

a reply to: Egyptia

I don't know where to begin in responding here because you have surpassed much of what is comprehensible in this form of communication. A multitude of things are stirring inside me but to try and place them in word in response is seemingly ridiculous in light of all that you have implied and not implied, said and not said, inferred and not inferred.

You are saying everything and nothing. Committing to everything intellectually yet to the contradiction of it all I see a rendering in futility. You give away the non-understanding in Spirit and only fight the struggle in flesh body, mind and topical condition perceived. It is the precipice of deception in realizing a true perception while cast inside the 'cage' we are in. It appears that you have forsaken something far more meaningful.

How interesting and profound! A resignation in understanding.

The nature of this conflict is to surpass contradictions (this world which is the mirror of the true condition of our imprisonment) and the very nature of what we perceive as 'reality' for a higher cause that is indescribable but the most profound experience by virtue of the very contradictions experienced. Intellectualizing life will not bring you any closer to the truth............it will serve to perpetuate the actual condition you are striving to get away from. Spirit is a different 'being' from the intellectual brain, you cannot intellectualize the Spirit for the mind in intellect is where the creation of 'Ego' spawned.........derailing us from all things 'true' and 'truly profound'.

You mis-percieve that in the end that is our real 'test', even if it is by and through our own will which ultimately is Divine. You have undone your own argument and proven the fact in this duplicitous battle waged between the material soul and the true Reality in our Spirit which ultimately is why we are here.

Time is a huge part of this deception used to harness and cage us...........if you actually realized what has been done with linear time to manipulate us you would be utterly dumbfounded, thus even the perception of 'reality' is a plaything for them.

I search for insight within your words but fail to find it. Nothing but obfuscation, capitalizing a few words here and there in a futile attempt to retain their divinity. But don’t worry, there are those who those who are addicted to avoiding clarity, and you provide a good fix.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Another thread by you denigrating spirituality, what a surprise.

Yet another tedious proclamation by you about something which you have no experience of.

Not only do you not have the experience to evaluate the subject with intellectual honesty, you also lack the will and discipline to even investigate it for yourself.

You are not qualified enough to speak about this subject with any credibility.

Ahh, another spiritual authority who cannot persuade beyond his own fallacy. A fine example of “Intellectual honesty” for all to witness.

Tell me again about my experience, my will, and my discipline. I'd love to hear how someone as credible as yourself arrives at his magnificent conclusions.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Whatever makes you sleep at night...

Darkness often helps.

Pssst... I see dark people. Shhh... don't spook them!

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
...do you or Les have decades of experience practicing mystical traditions?

Why automatically assume I agree with Les Mis? I just dance naked around the stages they build.

I think you're both full of yourselves. Of course being 100% you is what makes you 100% and I don't have to agree with 100% of either of you... just 200% of me.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Do you even have years or months under your belt?

I have as many years and months as I have existed.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
If not, your opinion is worthless and without credibility.

So while developing a video game, it's a common practice to bring in people unfamiliar with your particular game. This is always a painful process, because their inexperience with your echo chamber brings to light many invalid assumptions. Their lack of credibility is precisely what gives their opinion credibility and provides a point of inflection where growth that otherwise would have been impossible is rendered possible.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Sigh... wannabe philosophers...

Sigh... wanna be antagonists...

I don't wanna be a philosopher. That's why I'm a developer.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
...that haven't even taken their first baby steps...

I walked to take a piss. Off to a damn good start.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
...wanting to claim the title of philosopher...

All I see is "Your Label Here" and "Honestly Dishonest".

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Laughable.

Well... that much was obvious. But now you've ruined the punch line.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I truly believe in globalisation of spirituality, the butterfly is an old symbol of the psyche, used and found almost all over the world for different things. The dragons are going through a revival by fiction and are also used in feng shui...
Jesus is said to have studied in India, also the story of the son of a virgin is close to the son of a widow, if we live in times where many say god is dead, which is closing the circle to a butterfly that might cause a storm with one beat of his wing... But you won't get a word I say and may call it empty rambling...

a reply to: Sahabi

Sahabi,

Thank you for the excellent response. Despite my sweeping generalizations, and attacks on what some might consider sacred, you remain unaffected and are still able to entertain the ideas like a welcoming host. True wisdom.

a reply to: Peeple

globalisation

leaves a dirty taste in my mouth

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

You are not qualified enough to speak about this subject with any credibility.

dictionary.reference.com...

defn: qualify verb (used with object) 7) Law. to certify as legally competent

or verb (used with object) 2) to modify or limit in some way

so who gave you the right or moral high ground to denounce ones credibilty?



I laugh at you laughinggod,

I laugh at the Monad

I laugh at the deimurge

I laugh at the wind

Where there is laughter there can be no fear

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

LesMisanthrope

Why do I want to punch you and hug you at the same time?
Why do your threads hurt and yet seduce my intellect so much?

Ah I see outside its 4.00 am and there is a waning gibbous moon over me. That explains it.

LesMisanthrope....Long May You Run

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

This does not have anything to do with any moral high ground, I'm quite immoral at times, me claiming knowledge of certain aspects of reality does not mean I am enlightened, it does not mean I do not make mistakes, it does not mean I am never at fault. I assure you, I am quite human despite my name and signature.

The right I gave myself.

I would not go into a physics department and try lecturing the physicists on physics, yet this is exactly what Les is doing time and time again. Does he have the experience to back up his assertions or is he simply convinced anyway?

You don't evaluate something without actually evaluating it, you don't make assertions about a topic without thoroughly investigating it, otherwise the assertions are baseless.

Therefore, it then follows to me, that LesMisanthrope haven't done his homework otherwise he would have discovered what me and millions of other practicioners all throughout history have discovered. He wouldn't find the maxim incorrect, he would see the truth of it all around him, he would be continually amazed by on how many levels this saying applies. He would see the outer reflecting the inner, synchronicity in abundance, he might even have worked a little blatant magick for himself. Yet he seemingly hasn't, unless he's some kind of troll akin to the Taoist priests of old, something which I've honestly actually considered..
I therefore conclude that he hasn't made an earnest effort in seeking these mysteries, or if he has it was probably lacking. Or maybe he's just very, very bad at it.

Oh, and the philosopher comment wasn't meant for you even though the reply was directed at you. I just find it funny when supposed philosophers or people that philosophize haven't even gotten around to answering the most basic of questions, like, do we have a soul? If you're trying to be a philosopher and haven't aquired answers to such basic questions then I'd have to question the worth of it all. Seems to me like it's mostly about intellectual masturbation.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I am wrong then? Tell me about your experiences and how involved you've been? For how long? What practices?

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Seems to me like it's mostly about intellectual masturbation.

Tell me about your experiences and how involved you've been? For how long? What practices?

Naughty naughty.

I better not catch you laughing in there!!!

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

I am wrong then? Tell me about your experiences and how involved you've been? For how long? What practices?

I have no experiences, involvement nor practice, and I am eternally your spiritual lesser.

As someone experienced in such matters, it goes without saying that you know more about it than I. So please, help me to understand. If my criticism on such subjects is intellectual masturbation, while your acceptance of them is spirituality and wisdom, perhaps you can provide convincing enough reason as to why this is.

Why are you spiritual, while I am not?

In regards "do we have a soul", if my intellectual masturbation was to reveal to you that no, there is no soul, thus answering this basic question with sufficient enough reason, what wisdom would you share to convince me otherwise?