U.S. Military MAY be exploring or be in contact with a MASSIVE Dyson Sphere!

originally posted by: blacktie
spheres within spheres, tons of energy gravity etc, lots of possibilities

The sphere within a sphere option does bring up some interesting
possibilities where a Dyson Sphere could have many LAYERS of shell
each within another shell separated by a pressurized atmosphere
of say 3 to 5 miles thick. (15 to 25 thousand feet of layer separation)

Each Dyson Sphere layer would have QUADRILLIONS of Square Miles
of living space with oceans, mountains, lakes, rivers, cities, etc.
and the final inner-most layer surrounding the interior sun would
merely be a giant solar panel filled collector of light which both
collected sunlight for direct conversion to electricity AND be
used for collecting a portion of the visible light into large
LIGHT PIPES...

See Light Pipe Information:
en.wikipedia.org...

...which would direct sunlight into and light up
every layer of a multi-layered Dyson Sphere!

And to give you an idea of the interior living space of
a 1000 layer Dyson Shell the size of our solar system,
it would be on the order 600 QUINTRILLION SQUARE MILES
or 600,000,000,000,000,000,000 square miles which is an
even more gigantic living space than what I indicated earlier!
We would not be able to IMAGINE the number of intelligent
beings that could make their comfortable lives and homes
in such an abundant living space!

I should also mention some paragraphs in the original text
which the use of artificial gravity mechanisms to stabilize
the Dyson Spheres that were written about BUT for a MULTI-LAYER
Dyson Sphere, you could also use huge support columns many
miles across in diameter (made out of ultra-strong carbon nanotubes
perhaps?) to separate each layer from the next at a specific distance
apart which would be an ultra-scale engineering feat!

BUT for an advanced Type 2 civilization (on the Kardashev scale)
this would be a pretty easy feat.

See Kardashev scale of the Technological and
Energy Gathering ability of civilizations:
en.wikipedia.org...

We humans are probably only a three or four thousand
years away from have that sort of ability to make a
multi-layered Dyson Sphere based on our acceleration
scale on technology creation. Imagine what a billion
year old civilization could do!

a reply to: StargateSG7

is a disc image a good way to copy something? Yes you'll get the whole disc but its going to be very slow, and then to write it to flash mem is going to be slow too. This would indicate, if this were to be real, that whoever did this had lots of time, it would take many hours, maybe even days if this were a long time ago, to image an entire drive.
There are some sites out there that attempt to back up the entire internet (or at least a good amount of it), have you tried searching them for the CL post?

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: StargateSG7

So you are alluding to something with all 7 bit characters (numeric and letter characters in this case) that the old transports handled well. Some like base64 but obviously not.

Technically the text would have been 7-bits per character ANSI strings
OR if it was a government agency, they LIKELY would have used IBM
mainframes that used EBCDIC character encoding to represent the
hex strings of a Binary Disk Image. The only way to smuggle any data
from a secure system would be to represent those hex strings within
the databases, spreadsheets and word processing files that could or
would have been shuttled to and from various sites on removeable
media such as optical discs.

And by the original hacker's admission of having 120 gigabyte FAT32 drive,
that tells me the original data stream would have been 240 gigabytes of
8-bit ASCII text or 180 Gigabytes of 7-BIT ANSI or IBM EBCDIC text
which represented a hex-string version of a binary disk image.

If the hard disk size was 120 gigabytes that would put the timeframe
to between 2002 to 2004 for enterprise level users having that sort of
storage capacity which also is about right for the latest-possible timeframe
for Windows 98/Millenium FAT32 usage in secure government facilities.

I suspect the original data was STORED on something like an IBM mainframe
but transferred to and then probably stolen from a Windows 98/Millennium
or even a Windows 2000 workstation (which reads and writes FAT32 partitions)
during a changeover to more secure (and cheaper) Windows 2003 servers was
implemented within many government facilities.

This, of course, assumes that the story is TRUE and any such
files were TRULY stolen and hacked by an government outsider
from data that was intentionally leaked from an insider.

originally posted by: VoidHawk
a reply to: StargateSG7

is a disc image a good way to copy something? Yes you'll get the whole disc but its going to be very slow, and then to write it to flash mem is going to be slow too. This would indicate, if this were to be real, that whoever did this had lots of time, it would take many hours, maybe even days if this were a long time ago, to image an entire drive.
There are some sites out there that attempt to back up the entire internet (or at least a good amount of it), have you tried searching them for the CL post?

The Wayback Machine website only backs up PART of Craigslist
and not any forum text other than the Best Of Posts.

I've done some pretty deep searching and I can't find anything
BUT if you take SOME parts of the text you can find SLICES
that indicate this text was possibly part of a larger post
or that many parts were taken from disparate sources to
form a single post. I suspect much of the data is from
REAL documents but those sources are from various
departments and locations within secretive agencies.

It wouldn't SURPRISE ME that someone could take days
or even WEEKS to do a hex string transfer using secretive
methods out of a secure facility. I can think of any number
of ways it could be done. While most secure facilities
DO NOT ALLOW ANY taking of materials offsite, you ARE
allowed to to do upgrades and transfers of old equipment
which is where the WEAK POINT WOULD BE. Before hard disks
are destroyed (by shredding) the old data is transferred in some
way and DURING this transfer process the security may become
WEAKER than it normally is which allows someone to copy said
data to a computing system that is less secure and/or more
connected to the Internet!

HOWEVER my earlier documents within ATS

See link:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

seem to indicate a PERVASIVE and PERSISTENT program to
secretively capture, explore and record the impressions of
very real alien beings and alien places AWAY from the survey
of the President, Congress and the American People.

I suspect that there are MULTIPLE INTERNATIONAL organizations
of alien recovery and explorer teams but I personally believe
that the USA has the LARGEST and MOST SOPHISTICATED teams
and support infrastructure of them all!

I also believe it's the most secretive and has the DEEPEST
penetration into outer space of all. AND I ALSO BELIEVE
getting ANY info from them won't be so easy without a
LARGE Congressional and Public inquiry that FORCES
public disclosure! I think this text was a Lucky Strike
which got some tiny part of the whole story out into
the public sphere but now I think the genie has been
relocked into the bottle so all we can do now is HOPE
that someone with some insider info can do some
clandestine public disclosure.

originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
Well just been looking through Hillenkoetters diary for November 47 and can't see any mention of a meeting with Fahrney.
Also on the Tues 18th it looks like he was in the office all day and a party at night.

Link to diary

while his diary may have been official it doesn't
have to PERFECTLY align with another's. I THINK
someone else did some research on diary entries
regarding the MJ-12 documents and that study
DOES seem to indicate meetings between
Hillenkoetter, President Truman and John Von Neuman
during parts of that year 1947. I suspect Fahrney would
have been included too! And who is to say the NICAP
memberships were used as a PLAUSIBLE method to pass
information between the parties on an informal if not
untraceable time table. We should check if Hillenkoetter
and Fahrney were recorded as being present together
at specific NICAP meetings or social events.

And didn't Hoyt Vandenberg (USAAF general) mix in
with Truman and Hillenkoeter during those months in
fall 1947 before he came to be Chief of Staff?
Vandenberg would DEFINITELY have had meetings with
BOTH Hillenkoeter and Fahrney because of new aircraft
construction and research programs that were in progress
at the time. He could have acted as a go-between and those
meetings wouldn't likely be recorded or noted in a diary as
they would be part of the normal in-office work day.

originally posted by: seagull
Thanks.

It's an interesting story. ...and I find myself, unusually, hoping its true.

I find the idea of such colossal structures fascinating.

WELL I should tell you it seems that FERMILAB seems to think they are real!

FermiLab Dyson Sphere Search Program:
home.fnal.gov...

AND

Dyson Sphere Hunt Using Kepler Data
New Frontiers in Astronomy & Cosmology International Grants
(funded through the UK’s Templeton Foundation)
www.centauri-dreams.org...

AND

THIS IS A SCARY ONE!

Dyson Sphere Search History
home.fnal.gov...

where reports say "A few candidates have been identified but discounted..."

THAT means CANDIDATE interstellar bodies may be
producing actual or inferential evidence of Dyson Spheres!

AND FINALLY THIS TEXT FROM A REPORT

"...With several possible exceptions all the sources identified
in this search have some more conventional explanation other
than as a Dyson Sphere candidate.."

OP: StargateSG7 Should I take that text to mean
that SOME candidates of extrasolar body emissions
COULD be actual or inferred emissions from a
Dyson Sphere?

See link to report:
Title: Progress on IRAS-based Whole-Sky Dyson Sphere Search
Authors: Carrigan, R. A., Jr.
adsabs.harvard.edu...


It seems that some HIGH-LEVEL organizations
ARE taking an interest in this subject and if these
are White Budget World Dyson Sphere searches,
IMAGINE what's taking place under the auspices
of the Black Budget World.

originally posted by: rebelv

originally posted by: phoenix9884

I remember reading about Dyson Spheres last year-really fascinating stuff. Well I guess I'll be scrounging every forum I can for more info on this. Would definitely be mind blowing to see.

I have to admit I never heard of Dyson Spheres, but I looked it up

and read about them, and also looked at artist's conceptions, and

the first few photos that showed up on a Bing image searched almost

looked like The Death Star.



Strange, my dad used to work for AT&T, and they called their Logo

"The Death Star" and we just had that conversation today.



I'm digressing, but I wonder where did George Lucas get the idea of

The Death Star, does anyone know, was it possibly related to

Dyson Spheres?



Just throwing that out there.



Rebel 5

If had technology, earth would have built several of them already. If i had the money, i might be able to build one myself and move off this planet and develope a new world. Litterally. A new age Columbus.

a reply to: StargateSG7

I am sorry Stargate, but after reading the OP and many of your responses defending the ideas and concepts proposed therein, I am going to have to call you out as the original author..

I would Love to be wrong, but you seem to have a lot of "supporting knowledge" of the subjects discussed..

Writing styles are very similar.

I do give you credit for a good attempt.

Again, I want to be wrong..

I know therea a lot of information and research surrounding the premis of dyson spheres but what interests me is the tremendous mass required to build them, they could be more massive than the combined mass of the entire star system, including the star itself. Even converting energy to mass would require more energy than the star itself could create (considering a star is essentially mass to energy (with residual mass left over) through nuclear fusion), so if a civilisation had the ability to create mass and energy in such an abundance why bother trying to harvest from a star in the first place?

Consider mining all the planets of the solar system to create even a fraction of the surface of a sphere in earth orbit distance. With 100% utilitisation of all the mass in our solar stystem it could probably create a skin a few hundred metres thick that may only be 1% the surface area required. With the star exhausted it would be considerably more so the option would be to harvest several stars and move the dyson sphere, but then theres the question of the energy required to move it.

This thread is very awkward.

I like the way you use technical jargon to give your Science Fiction story an air of plausibility. We both know it is pure fiction. Please ask the Mods to move it to the appropriate forum before it gets moved to [HOAX!]

a reply to: StargateSG7

WELL I should tell you it seems that FERMILAB seems to think they are real!

No, Fermilab do not think they are real, they just think they are more likely to be detected than modulated radio waves.

originally posted by: defuntion
a reply to: StargateSG7

I am sorry Stargate, but after reading the OP and many of your responses defending the ideas and concepts proposed therein, I am going to have to call you out as the original author..

I would Love to be wrong, but you seem to have a lot of "supporting knowledge" of the subjects discussed..

Writing styles are very similar.

I do give you credit for a good attempt.

Again, I want to be wrong..

I have to agree here, whilst I'm no expert the 'feel' of the styles is the same, the replies to justify from the OP also seem the same style.

All of it is too handy to be right and as the apparent CL poster then vanished as if made to disappear then why would the original post have been left to be archived so easily. Its a good read but I feel its a well written story.

As with the person quoted I too wish it to be real but I just feel its not.

a reply to: StargateSG7

Well here is the only dyson sphere in existence with James Dyson holding it.

Dyson

Seriously that's the problems with way out ideas I would like to see someone who thinks they are possible at a solar scale to work out the amount of material to construct it

I don't like even the idea of Dyson spheres, what do the inhabitants do with all that heat? radiation? Okay, so its converted into electricity, the electricity is used, creating heat, back to square one.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: StargateSG7

Well here is the only dyson sphere in existence with James Dyson holding it.

Dyson

Seriously that's the problems with way out ideas I would like to see someone who thinks they are possible at a solar scale to work out the amount of material to construct it

To be fair, (even thou I call this one a nice sci-fi story and will be seeing it in the hoax bin soon) if we would be talking about a civilization that would have the means and technology to even attempt to build a dyson sphere around their star, they would have the means to find the raw materials.

originally posted by: defuntion
a reply to: StargateSG7

I am sorry Stargate, but after reading the OP and many of your responses defending the ideas and concepts proposed therein, I am going to have to call you out as the original author..

I would Love to be wrong, but you seem to have a lot of "supporting knowledge" of the subjects discussed..

Writing styles are very similar.

I do give you credit for a good attempt.

Again, I want to be wrong..

Stargate.....man I have been reading your content all damned day, to include your other thread about the anon email you got from 2009. Now you are posting a craiglist post from 2010? It is 2014 man and this site has been here for a long darn time.

Also you claim in your other thread to be somehow involved in the film industry and holy cow you sure do seem to know alot about old school computing jargon.

I must agree with defuntion...this is most certainly made up, and I am not the type to ever discount and keep an open mind about anything posted here but all this combined??? Come on man......

Honestly I have been trying to figure you out throughout all your dialoge and I must admit that my thoughts keep comming back to that you may be a little insane.

I mean you obviously are passionate about these posts and you actually detail out in your responses how you are checking the data and the files and meeting with friends and asking them about it and so on....it really is quite remarkable how you do that and sound so sincere...

Either you have a great gift and passion for fiction and story telling or you are a mad man.

Kept me entertained for the entire day so thanks for that!!

Take care!

originally posted by: Thill

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: StargateSG7

Well here is the only dyson sphere in existence with James Dyson holding it.

Dyson

Seriously that's the problems with way out ideas I would like to see someone who thinks they are possible at a solar scale to work out the amount of material to construct it

To be fair, (even thou I call this one a nice sci-fi story and will be seeing it in the hoax bin soon) if we would be talking about a civilization that would have the means and technology to even attempt to build a dyson sphere around their star, they would have the means to find the raw materials.

If you look at the suggested reason to build a dyson sphere if you were able to transport the required material and build it, it would be easier just to move to a new system in the first place

a reply to: Thill

if we would be talking about a civilization that would have the means and technology to even attempt to build a dyson sphere around their star, they would have the means to find the raw materials.

Why would there be a need to find raw materials to build?

What if technology was available to such a civilization to be able to transform the vacuum of space and any energy contained into material?


Basically the concept of how chemical reactions can create new compounds, maybe such a civilization can change the fabric of space into malleable materials instead of having to find such great quantities of it.

Real or not, this was a great read

A screenshot of the craigslist page would've been good.