U.S. Military MAY be exploring or be in contact with a MASSIVE Dyson Sphere!

Interesting story.

Did I miss it? Is there a location for this Dyson Sphere? If it's anywhere nearby, the grav effects would be noticed, if not the sphere itself.

I love stories like this...but a grain of salt is suggested.

Too bad you've never heard anything more.

originally posted by: seagull
Interesting story.

Did I miss it? Is there a location for this Dyson Sphere? If it's anywhere nearby, the grav effects would be noticed, if not the sphere itself.

I can't stop laughing. Hahaha

To think its called a dyson sphere, and he didn't even come up with the idea.

Originally proposed by Sci-Fi writers, so where did they get the idea? kinda weird.

DUF=dyson sphere

This article explores the fundamental ground field we all exist within and from which we arise to have our being. Ancients have called this (pro)creative ground the demiurgic field (DUF). Entranced by modern day hustle and bustle, we tend to favour our cognitive intellect, the ‘sky energies’ or light forces. Here we seek to explore the "darker" primordial matrix of chthonic energy that shapes or artifices the way we are. We conclude by listing some ways that this energy system can be seen in our day to day world - how we can "touch and be touched by the DUF"; so to speak, including a system of learning "artificer learning" that draws from this energy.

bushie.weebly.com...

originally posted by: seagull
Interesting story.

Did I miss it? Is there a location for this Dyson Sphere? If it's anywhere nearby, the grav effects would be noticed, if not the sphere itself.

I love stories like this...but a grain of salt is suggested.

Too bad you've never heard anything more.

OP StargateSG7:


Please note the text DOES MENTION the location
of the supposed Dyson Spheres:

"There are three young and local Dyson Spheres
with the void spaces in-between the Milky Way
and the NGC-185 galaxy and some extremely large,
much older multiple Dyson Spheres in-between
the Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies."


If you goto the galactic MAP at this wiki site:

en.wikipedia.org...

you will see NGC-185 to the right of our Milky Way galaxy

NGC Galaxy Info:
en.wikipedia.org...

which is 2.08 million light years away from us.

The other places that were mentioned:

inbetween the Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies:

See photo of the two galaxies:
www.skyimagelab.com...

which are 3 million light years away from us.

And since such distances are so vast,
we wouldn't see any Dyson Sphere in
those locales. In my opinion such places
would be IDEAL to hide a Dyson Sphere or ten!

AND

If there is any artificial gravitational lensing
being used, even the distortions of gravity waves
from OTHER objects could be made inconsequential
enough that WE COULD NOT DETECT those Dyson Spheres.

AND

Again, I'm not saying this text is REAL but SOME of the
scientific concepts displayed SEEM to be plausible
and are worth a further look and an open mind.

Thanks.

It's an interesting story. ...and I find myself, unusually, hoping its true.

I find the idea of such colossal structures fascinating.

a reply to: StargateSG7

If the system is also low on main RAM memory, parts of the get password routine could be swapped out to hard disk and thus plaintext could show up in a cached swap file

I forgot about the days of constrained memory and swapping when I wrote that. Good point. It could very well have hit the swap file at least once.

What do you make of the 'text file of hex digits'. The only thing that comes to mind is opening a binary file in a text editor that displays, when it thinks data is binary not text, with a dump of hex values. Adding that seems odd for someone who is computer savvy and capable of attacking encrypted data.

That was an interesting read and first time Ive heard about the Dyson Sphere.

Given the quoted reference that some Dyson Spheres are billions of years old and as large as our Solar System upto the Ort Cloud it raises two important questions for me:

1) Do we live inside a Dyson Sphere?

We may be if its as large as the Solar System. What if the inner walls of our Dyson Sphere have holographic images of stars and other galaxies "screened" on them so when we look through telescopes they look real, but we are actually within a high tech cage/prison?

2) Voyager....isnt it near the Ort Cloud? If we live within a Dyson Sphere wont Voyager hit the walls?

Edit: additional question

3) Nubiru - could Nubiru and its several small orbiting moons actually be a Dyson Sphere? That way we would never see it coming even by using infrared telescopes because the heat siganture is captured/blocked by the sphere.

4) Whats the purpose of the spehere? Is it to keep a smaller solar system entrapped within it confines, or is it if only covering a star/sun used as a power generation device in which case how do they transfer that power back to the world/ships/whatever?

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Depends what the walls are made of...

Hollow earth?

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Dyson spheres were speculated as possible several years ago and nasa has infact looked into it somewhat. Their main use would be in harvesting energy.

It surprises me how many believers are on this site with little knowledge on this topic.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

wow, very good questions! That would be wild if we WERE in a Dyson Sphere

Sounds like CL have their very
own Bernard.. teller of the tallest tales

it's plausible maybe part of disclosure process ?

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: StargateSG7

If the system is also low on main RAM memory, parts of the get password routine could be swapped out to hard disk and thus plaintext could show up in a cached swap file

I forgot about the days of constrained memory and swapping when I wrote that. Good point. It could very well have hit the swap file at least once.

What do you make of the 'text file of hex digits'. The only thing that comes to mind is opening a binary file in a text editor that displays, when it thinks data is binary not text, with a dump of hex values. Adding that seems odd for someone who is computer savvy and capable of attacking encrypted data.

I interpret the original text as implying that he received the disk image
on multiple flash cards as a series of text files which contained hex strings
which would likely then need to be converted to pure binary data.

This actually gives a CLUE as to how the data may have been obtained.
In certain cases you can smuggle a whole jar load of data from a place
by converting all bytes of a larger file to multiple hexadecimal strings
and embed those strings into a text file with a carriage return/linefeed
character set (ASCII #13 + #10) at the end of each line of text for email
them to an outside location, or smuggle the hex strings out by
embedding them into word processing or spreadsheet files which can
contain OTHER more benign data. That would bypass many security scanners
at intelligence agencies which would look at only the word processing
file contents for trigger words but ignore a few lines of hex text.
With enough time you could smuggle out a whole disk image
away from a secure location by embedding lines of hex text
in many thousands of word processing or spreadsheet documents.

a reply to: StargateSG7

So you are alluding to something with all 7 bit characters (numeric and letter characters in this case) that the old transports handled well. Some like base64 but obviously not.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia


See this FAQ for an AWESOME explanation of a Dyson Sphere:
www.aleph.se...


This is the best visual representation i know of for a solar system sized Dyson Sphere.

click on or Cut and paste this link:
upload.wikimedia.org...


Humans (or any other species) would live on the interior surface
and ONLY a hot young sun would be in the centre. All other planets
would have been taken apart to build the thing.

The distance of the interior shell surface from that centre sun
would be just enough so that all inhabitants would receive
just enough sunlight so as to NOT burn themselves to a char.

There would NO NIGHT TIME since that since that sun would
be sending energy in every direction but the inhabitants
could make artificial darkness by floating blocks of material
in between the shell inner surface and the interior sun to
form a large enough shadow that it simulates darkness
over a large area.

For powering the entire thing, huge arrays of solar panels
could simply capture any or all the sunlight given off.

Our sun gives off 384.6 yotta watts (3.846×10^26 watts)
of power and such a huge number of place digits of wattage
could easily power the society of trillions and trillions of living
beings in a living space that would have 2.72e17 km^2 or
around 600 million times the surface area of the Earth
or about 272,000,000,000,000,000 square kilometres
or 105 QUADRILLION SQUARE MILES
(that is 105,000,000,000,000,000 square miles!)

It would be almost unfathomable to see that much
living space that could be made on the interior space
of a Dyson Sphere.

The interior of one would look like photo at the following web link:
s30.photobucket.com...

an absolutely HUGE interior living space of unimaginable scope.

I should note again that the text did say an artificial gravity
mechanism was required to be installed into or on the outer
shell in order to keep the inhabitants grounded to the interior
of the Dyson Sphere surface. Radiation pressure from the
centre sun WOULD FORM part of the supporting structure
allowing the outer shell to be kept relatively thin!

originally posted by: phoenix9884
I remember reading about Dyson Spheres last year-really fascinating stuff. Well I guess I'll be scrounging every forum I can for more info on this. Would definitely be mind blowing to see.

I have to admit I never heard of Dyson Spheres, but I looked it up
and read about them, and also looked at artist's conceptions, and
the first few photos that showed up on a Bing image searched almost
looked like The Death Star.

Strange, my dad used to work for AT&T, and they called their Logo
"The Death Star" and we just had that conversation today.

I'm digressing, but I wonder where did George Lucas get the idea of
The Death Star, does anyone know, was it possibly related to
Dyson Spheres?

Just throwing that out there.

Rebel 5

spheres within spheres, tons of energy gravity etc, lots of possibilities

originally posted by: StargateSG7
a reply to: Melbourne_Militia








The distance of the interior shell surface from that centre sun

would be just enough so that all inhabitants would receive

just enough sunlight so as to NOT burn themselves to a char.



There would NO NIGHT TIME since that since that sun would

be sending energy in every direction but the inhabitants

could make artificial darkness by floating blocks of material

in between the shell inner surface and the interior sun to

form a large enough shadow that it simulates darkness

over a large area.

Artificial Darkness you say? How about placing a miniture Dyson Sphere in orbit around the Earth and call it our moon?

originally posted by: StargateSG7
It would be almost unfathomable to see that much

living space that could be made on the interior space

of a Dyson Sphere.

Hollow Earth as aluded to by another member further up.

What if our Crust/Mantle is just the edge of a Dyson Sphere....there a miniture sun within the planet/sphere and all the legends about Hollow earth originate from this.

Earthquakes are caused by corrections or construction/repairs of the underlying sphere itself beneath the mantle.....

yeah far fethched but anything is possible with a billion extra years of advancement ahead of humanity.

Well just been looking through Hillenkoetters diary for November 47 and can't see any mention of a meeting with Fahrney.
Also on the Tues 18th it looks like he was in the office all day and a party at night.

Link to diary