Nurse Under Ebola Quarantine Criticizes Her Treatment

a reply to: Phage

well maybe, maybe not. i've read and seen opinions from doctors and others that say both.
why take chances?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Oh my gosh what an idiot! When the interviewer asked her if she understood why she was quarantined, she replied emphatically that there was no understanding of it at all! She is stupid then. The average person on the street understands, but she doesn't? All the stories of how they aren't self monitoring and isolating themselves from the public should be enough to help her understand why more drastic (actually prudent) measures needed to be taken.

This whole thing just angers me so much!

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I find it hilarious that she states "public health officials" not "politicians" when that line is the blurriest it's ever been.

The science is behind a 42 day quarantine.

The science is behind a questionable incubation period.

The science is behind a questionable infectivity period.

The science is behind fever not being a tell tale sign of infection.

Nurses are not virologists. Nurses are not epidemiologists. Neither are governors.

Under surveillance I don't necessarily disagree with a home quarantine but as we've seen individuals cannot be trusted. I think a system needs to be set in place by MSF in conjunction with the Feds to ensure these people are treated respectfully but safety has to be the priority. Hotel ebola.

I just find it ironic that the people who are so eager to put this woman through the ringer are the same people who scream bloody murder because they are inconvenienced by the TSA going through security at airports. More people have died in America from acts of terrorism than from ebola. Way more. So, those of you who don't like going through security at airports? Suck it up and grow a pair, and quit your whinin'. A little inconvenience and invasion of your privacy won't hurt you. It's for the common good, right?

We complain all the time, that's what we humans do and are great at it, we got one infected man coming to the US, people including we blasted the government for no doing enough to keep people from coming into the US from ebola ridden countries in quarantine, now that the government is doing what most people asked them to do, and guess what, people are still complaining that is too much

Well in my books when it comes to my family and those that can bring an infectious disease to them and kill them I say the hell with the complains.

a reply to: marg6043

now that the government is doing what most people asked them to do,

Most people?
Really?

a reply to: Phage

Oh, and what is that? most people are welcoming those coming from ebola ridden countries with open arms?

That soo?

I say pack them in plastic bags put them in sealed containers for the whole 21 days I am just happy with that.

How about that.

here is a hypothetical.

if i'm not mistaken, i'll have to check. Laser/infrared thermometer have to be calibrated. let's say that in the screening process due to over use or what ever reason the thermometer loses it's accuracy. and that for some reason or another ( you pick one, people don't know, it's not routine to do it, people are just lazy or any thing else you can think of).
we know people will lie, and they say they feel fine and not feverish, they check it with that thermometer, hell let say that no one lies and they use one that lost accuracy, what you gonna say then.

a reply to: marg6043

Oh, and what is that? most people are welcoming those coming from ebola ridden countries with open arms?

You're big on false dichotomies, aren't you?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

She's right. It makes little sense to quarantine those with no symptoms.

Okay.... when... exactly when.... does a person become contagious? Exactly when? That is the WHOLE PURPOSE of quarantine. Waiting it out to make sure a person does not have the virus. We should absolutely deal with the virus where it is in Africa. Send them all the support, supplies and volunteers we can get our hands on. Those returning volunteers should be treated with dignity, BUT they know first hand what this virus does. It should be understood upfront before they ever leave the States that quarantine WILL happen when they return. I am a HCW and frankly I would expect it. It will also be in their best interest to be in quarantine in the case that that do have the virus. They will get medical care earlier which would surely increase their chances of surviving. People keep throwing around "loss of rights". I like the phrase, "Your rights end where mine begin" and vice versa. Some very intelligent people seem to be losing credibility and sensibility during all of this. Here is what I said on another thread about this:

Do we want FEMA camp style quarantines? NO! But it has become obvious that even intelligent people get pretty stupid when they can't be honest enough with themselves about possible symptoms they are having during the incubation period of this virus. As to the specific topic of this thread ... How will mass quarantines work? It works by preventing MASS quarantine. All volunteer health care workers going to any country with any Ebola cases will be INFORMED IN ADVANCE they will be quarantined in a specific location with comfortable amenities upon their return. They would not be crammed together like a hospital ward but have individual rooms. Since they are health care workers, they would be allowed to monitor their own temperatures and report on any symptoms they have in a video log. Personally I would err on the safety side and require a 40 day quarantine period. They would be financially compensated for this time just as if it were a vacation. Considering all the horror they have likely seen, they would be encouraged to use this time to "decompress" and share their experiences and insights, preferably in a video which can be viewed by future volunteers to prepare them.

A mass quarantine can be prevented if we make it clear to these individuals that they will be quarantined upon their return "just in case" to prevent spreading the virus. Yes, we should "treat Ebola in Africa" to prevent the spread worldwide. Any citizen that voluntarily goes to W. Africa will be subjected to quarantine and no one else from W. Africa will be allowed to enter the US until this crisis has passed.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I just find it ironic that the people who are so eager to put this woman through the ringer are the same people who scream bloody murder because they are inconvenienced by the TSA going through security at airports. More people have died in America from acts of terrorism than from ebola. Way more. So, those of you who don't like going through security at airports? Suck it up and grow a pair, and quit your whinin'. A little inconvenience and invasion of your privacy won't hurt you. It's for the common good, right?

Not inconsistent at all.

I am in favor of quarantining people who come from a hot zone. That is a form of profiling.

I am also in favor of stricter security checks for people who fit the profile of global terrorism, not just randomly strip searching anyone and everyone. If you fit the profile of someone who could belong a terrorist group in some way, then you ought to face tighter scrutiny. This would free up 3-year-olds, cancer patients, grannies, and everyone else who is being invasively strip searched whom people are screaming bloody murder over. For example, if you are a young man who is a recent convert to Islam, you ought to face some heightened scrutiny right now, sad but true.

a reply to: Phage

Oh, dear please enlighten me, see I just came back from a great time down south at the beach and I am still recovering from my infusion of margaritas.

originally posted by: Tatanka
Common sense has gone out the window. I'm sorry, but if you are going to travel to ebola infested areas of the world, work with ebola patients and insist on returning the states, you *should* be quarantined to protect the rest of your fellow countrymen and women. Nurse Hickox attitude is disgusting and full of entitlement. I fully support these governors actions to try and keep ebola from spreading in their states. As it is, we should be restricting air travel, another common sense method gone by the wayside. It almost seems as if someone wants everyone to get sick. I'm looking at our "president" to prove me wrong. He *should* be protecting American citizens *cough cough*.

If you fear that the people coming into the US are contagious to the degree that all suspects should be quarantined for 21 days, why would you allow them on a plane with hundreds of other passengers that will be allowed to go wherever they please?

Why would you allow them into the US in the first place? Where is the commonsense in that?

Again, I believe in caution, but what they are doing is not caution. I don't know what you want to call it, but it is not keeping anyone safe.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Tatanka

We'll keep sending them to school to infect other children because golly gee, quarantining them is a "knee jerk reaction". Come ON...... !

You can quarantine a house, even a village. You cannot effectively quarantine a population of millions or an area of millions of square miles.

Yes, and because we can't quarantine millions, we should expect those who were recently in contact with the sick to keep themselves quarantined, but since they have more or less proven that they can't be expected to do that ... this is the step being taken.

I wish it wasn't necessary. It would have been far better for these people to have been responsible adults and kept themselves AT HOME under their own volition, but the very situation we are trying to prevent is the one you describe, the one that cannot be quarantined.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Actually, I'd prefer them not be on that plane until they were known to be free of disease, but the Federal government is the only one that can take that step.

The states can quarantine once people come to them which is what is going on.

If the Fed won't act to protect the public health, the states will.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The problem is that most people that come in the airplanes with the people from infected ebola countries are not from the same areas, in order for a person coming from Africa to get into an US bound plane they have to change planes several times in other countries.

I think is unfair that people that are not from ebola ridden areas had to share airplanes with those that do.

It should be only direct planes from ebola ridden countries of US citizens trying to get home, more easily spot and quarantine without putting others in danger of infections.

a reply to: drwill

I read that earlier.
I = 43
Me = 11

a reply to: Khaleesi

Okay.... when... exactly when.... does a person become contagious? Exactly when?

When they exhibit symptoms.

That is the WHOLE PURPOSE of quarantine. Waiting it out to make sure a person does not have the virus.

Then there will be no end to the quarantine. The WHO says that 2% of those who eventually display symptoms can take longer than 42 days to do so. So, how long do you want the quarantine to last without symptoms?

It should be understood upfront before they ever leave the States that quarantine WILL happen when they return.

Except that no one knew about this unilateral decision by New York and New Jersey until it was recently announced. Except that volunteers will become scarce and that will degrade the ability to fight the epidemic where it is.

I am a HCW and frankly I would expect it. It will also be in their best interest to be in quarantine in the case that that do have the virus.

Why? What treatment can they recieve that would help them if they are not symptomatic?

a reply to: MrLimpet
Oh, so sorry, Mr. Limpet. Didn't mean for you to count them and was agreeing with your posts. Went off on a tangent about the narcissistic first person voice in the statement.

originally posted by: SilverStarGazer
I think the issue is more of how she was treated by the people at the airport and hospital. You CAN follow procedure AND treat people with compassion, dignity and respect.

Exactly

IF she was not treated like a criminal but had been treated well with the quarantine the she may not be whining.

But it seems brutal and harsh treatment is what the unwashed masses want.....