Putin: USA 'shaped the world' according to its interests

Well what does one expect from a hegemonic superpower? If Russia was in the same position, it too would shape the structures of the world for its own benefits.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, because the other systems around the world are MUCH more fair....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Hellas

The Ukrainian conflict doesn't ring a bell? Just because it isn't as pervasive, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. ALL countries try to shape the world to their benefit. It's just how it works.

From the link in the OP

He said that Moscow "has been trying to discuss with the EU about Ukraine for a long time, but we were told this was none of other business. They then put two countries against each other, which has led to countless destruction of infrastructure. When I asked why they do this, they just shrug their shoulders and don’t have an answer."

He said it is baseless to say that Russia is trying to create an empire and destabilize the world.

"Russia has made it’s choice – we want to develop our economy and develop democratic values. We work with our counterparts in the Shanghai Cooperation, the BRICS union for example. We want our opinions to be respected likewise. We all need to be cautious to not make hasty and dangerous steps. Some of the players on the global front have forgotten about the need for this," he said.

a reply to: transola

Who said anything about fairness or comparing one to another? I'm just stating the obvious like the article in the OP did.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Though the same could be said for Russia.

Oh Really?

When did Russia shape the world according to its interests? When did they fund ISIS, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda etc.? Or bring 'Democracy' to countries rich in oil and other various natural resources?

I see their fear mongering got to you badly.

The AK47 is the symbol of exported military might the world over, shaped quite a few things in this here world.
Check out Iran's arsenal. Oh what was it that Russia had to take back out of Syria.....those pesky chemical weapons nah they don't mean anything lol. Castro did it all by himself too I would hazard a guess if RT standards apply. Invading Afghanistan was a peaceful gesture I suppose and the consequences are all on the West for defending them and causing Taliban and Al Qaeda to flourish.

What chemical weapons? The ones nobody found to have been used by the Syrian government? Educate yourself

originally posted by: transola
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, because the other systems around the world are MUCH more fair....

New Zeeland , Iceland and Switzerland are pretty top in freedom and general happiness rankings.

USA might not be the worst but it is certainly not the best.

originally posted by: tetra50
Yes, but surely they've been guilty of the same, as well, and had a hand in creating al quaeda, et al as they were in Afghanistan, first. He has never forgiven USA for not supporting them in Afghanistan. Sadly, it's the same rhetoric on the world stage, nothing new. And, it's still about oil and poppies….

He may be attacking the idea that America pretended to act out of ideas that were common to man, higher purpose, the good of others ect. Even at that they have done a far better service to mankind anyway.

a reply to: Hellas

So what are you trying to prove here? That Russia is some noble force of good in the world and that the USA is evil and tearing it apart? Because I don't agree with either of those two points. Nor would I agree with the opposite of those two points. I don't believe in good nor evil and only believe in shades of gray (and those shades change hue depending on the day). Every country in the whole world has an agenda and is trying to further their own aims. To state otherwise is to deny reality.

Russia talks out of the both sides of its mouth just like the United States does.

originally posted by: daaskapital
Well what does one expect from a hegemonic superpower? If Russia was in the same position, it too would shape the structures of the world for its own benefits.

True, honest, fair, objective and balanced.

ATS rocks.

a reply to: SLAYER69

What you should be looking at is the fact that the USA is not using that superpower status to improve the life's of the American people.

Its doing it for the banks, big oil, MIC and the pharma company's.


So yeah you can wave the flag and chant "USA USA USA!" but being at the moment on that top spot is not giving the USA people anything except painting a target on your backs from people wanting that top spot and giving you politicians a excuse to restrict freedoms, to bleed you dry with taxes and blood for its wars to keep that top spot.

Russia or China wont be much better either as will do exactly the same.

Country's on the other hand like New Zealand and Switzerland have more Freedom and a better standard of living.


Being at the "top" is not always good for its common people. Its one of the reason the UK passed the baton to the USA after WW2 as its just not worth it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Hellas

So what are you trying to prove here? That Russia is some noble force of good in the world and that the USA is evil and tearing it apart? Because I don't agree with either of those two points. Nor would I agree with the opposite of those two points.

Come on, in order for either side to push their agendas through one or the other has to demonize the other or the one.

SOP

Russia talks out of it's ass just like the United States does.

Fixed that for you.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Come on, in order for either side to push their agendas through one or the other has to demonize the other or the one.

And Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Russia talks out of the both sides of its mouth just like the United States does.

Difference being the US is invading county after country and Russia isn't.


Damn the wool is thick this morning.

originally posted by: intrptr

Difference being the US is invading county after country and Russia isn't.

well.....You forget Georgia and Ukraine.......

So far the score is:

USA:2 (Iraq,Afghanistan) Russia: 2

Though that does not count the bombings of Libya and now Syria/Iraq.

Dont think the USA or Russia has the moral high ground here.

a reply to: Hellas

In a world of imperialists, the common fascists are jealous.

originally posted by: crazyewok


So yeah you can wave the flag and chant "USA USA USA!" but being ....

What the hell are you going on about there?

Let me know when I actually post something worthy of your reply that's that over the top jingoist.

I love how some people project their own perceived prejudiced opinion of how they believe a person is onto them *Which is quite popular and widespread here lately* instead of replying to what the other person actually posts.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Russia talks out of the both sides of its mouth just like the United States does.

Difference being the US is invading county after country and Russia isn't.


Damn the wool is thick this morning.

So the Ukraine doesn't count?

a reply to: SLAYER69

Yea, it's VERY pervasive in this thread. It seems anyone who disagrees with the article in the OP must be so patriotic that they piss red, white, and blue.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: crazyewok


So yeah you can wave the flag and chant "USA USA USA!" but being ....

What the hell are you going on about there?

Let me know when I actually post something worthy of your reply that's that over the top jingoist.

I love how some people project their own perceived prejudiced opinion of how they believe a person is onto them *Which is quite popular and widespread here lately* instead of replying to what the other person actually posts.

Not my fault if you cant be bothered to read the whole post and just take one line out of context.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So the Ukraine doesn't count?

Showing me the footage of Russian "thunder runs" down main street Kiev or the massive bombing campaigns by Russian planes with Russian insignia on the tail fins, might help… no?

Oh thats right, more propaganda.

The US/EU (read NATO) meddled in Ukrainian affairs, NATO that hired Ukrainian despots to overthrow the legitimate government in Kiev to further its own interests. NATO encroaching into the vacuum the Warsaw Pact left when it… left. NATO violating the agreement it made with Moscow not to encroach in Eastern Europe.

Russia concerned? Yes. Russia aiding the people in the East of Ukraine? Sure.
'Russia invading Ukraine'? Nice try.

Its what the west wants. Cant wait for. Putins no dummy though, he won't be goaded into NATO's game. I won't' be fooled by the official line here, ether.