Your Hatred Of Islam Is Embarrasing & Pathetic!!!

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

People like you keep trying to attach blame of any Muslim violence to Islam itself.

It could be because when you watch a video of multiple beheadings in a Middle Eastern country which has the people performing the acts and those watching and taking videos shouting Alluhah Ahkbar! repeatedly.
Maybe that is the reason that people tie it to Islam.

Not trying to pick a fight, just letting a fact slip out....

I know, I keep hearing that these bad guys are not Islamic.... but they pray to Allah and profess to be Islamic. Doesn't that count for something?

Are the people that bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors Christian they claim to be Christians.
The KKK claim to be Christian even though they murder people are they Christian?

originally posted by: neo96
Well then I guess The NONSTOP HATRED of Chiristians, and them evil JEWS.

Is EQUALLY 'pathetic'.

Yes the constant villainization of those two groups by the MSM is truly pathetic.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Bush, claiming to be following God, invaded Iraq without any real reason. Bush claimed to be born again. That war killed 200,000 civilians. he also tortured people. Most of the religious right was ALL for Bush's actions. Most still are today. That makes them terrorists in my book.

What Amazes me is effing red herrings like that.

Simple FACT all anyone has to do is a two second google search to find the 'reasons' for Iraq.

The resolution cited many factors as justifying the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3] Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors. Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

en.wikipedia.org...

That can be basically summed up as W went to war with a group of people that has been at WAR for the past 40 years against the evil west.

The only EFFING 'religion' at play here is those RIGHT WINGERS OVER IN THE ME clinging to their guns, and religion.

Who call themselves 'muslims'.

And if other 'moderates' get upset with that. That is more their problem than anyone else's.

Because they need to clean their house.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: neo96
Well then I guess The NONSTOP HATRED of Chiristians, and them evil JEWS.

Is EQUALLY 'pathetic'.

Yes the constant villainization of those two groups by the MSM is truly pathetic.

Nah I was talking about the haters of the Isrealis, and the republicans in this country.

Guess that hatred is perfectly acceptable.

OH dam how dare anyone dare 'criticize' Islam.

Sure fine when it comes to others.

But see, you guys attempt to use minutea and other reasons claimed for why Christianity cannot be impuned. Yet, you don't extend the same grace to Islam.

That is why it is a double standard and hypocrisy.

Second, I've already detailed several of the international agreements and accords that make the Iraq War Illegal.

For the record, factually after we signed the UN Charter it became illegal for us to do what we did in Iraq without a Chapter VII UNSC resolution. Fact. Treaties are the law of the land, and are legally binding.

The official US policy that you speak of thus becomes conspiracy, conspiracy to commit the War Crime of Aggression.

Under international law, countries may only attack another country without a UN resolution if they are under direct attack by another country.

It has already been proved conclusively and admitted by all of the Bush regime that Iraq/Saddam had NOTHING to do with 911, hence there was zero attack by him AND no credible nor imminent threat. Even Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield now admit this.

You guys are still stuck in 2003 propaganda land and seem not to know anything about international law.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Bush, claiming to be following God, invaded Iraq without any real reason. Bush claimed to be born again. That war killed 200,000 civilians. he also tortured people. Most of the religious right was ALL for Bush's actions. Most still are today. That makes them terrorists in my book.

What Amazes me is effing red herrings like that.

Simple FACT all anyone has to do is a two second google search to find the 'reasons' for Iraq.

The resolution cited many factors as justifying the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3] Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors. Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers. The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them. The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

en.wikipedia.org...

That can be basically summed up as W went to war with a group of people that has been at WAR for the past 40 years against the evil west.

The only EFFING 'religion' at play here is those RIGHT WINGERS OVER IN THE ME clinging to their guns, and religion.

Who call themselves 'muslims'.

And if other 'moderates' get upset with that. That is more their problem than anyone else's.

Because they need to clean their house.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

But see, you guys attempt to use minutea and other reasons claimed for why Christianity cannot be impuned. Yet, you don't extend the same grace to Islam.

Those aren't christians who are going around strapping bombs on themselves.

Those aren't christians going around beheading journalist's.

Those aren't christians going around stoning people.

Those aren't christians who say a woman needs 5 witness to 'prove' rape.

Apples to GD oranges comparison.

Because for whatever reason some people don't want to discuss Islam is still in the DARK AGES.

Seems to me that Orwell was right...

Calling truth hate does not make it so.

The man who tells the truth is universally disliked by every person because every person has an agenda and is hiding behind a fantasy which the truth penetrates like an arrow and leaves him stripped naked before the whole universe, and he does not like that." ~ Milton William Cooper

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people".- Martin Luther King, Jr.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: dr1234

By certain Muslims or all Muslims in general?

This is the sort of generalisation I was talking about, it's embarrassing & pathetic!

By certain muslims, but a whole damn lot of them. I don't hate muslims, but it is worth looking into why it inspires soo many terrible people to do terrible things. I don't care if you feel embarrassed for me, I'm concerned about the safety of the human race and my own.

Edit to add christians and jews are similar throughout history, but I personally see a stronger correlation with Islam and violence. This is not hate, just an observation.

a reply to: neo96

Well then I guess The NONSTOP HATRED of Chiristians, and them evil JEWS.

Is EQUALLY 'pathetic'.

Yes it is pal!

From my understanding, Islam is a religion of peace and maintaining peace. It is guidance. Some verces of peace piety and rightousness

And walk not on the earth with conceit and arrogance [al-Isra' 17:37]

And be moderate (or show no arrogance) in your walking, and lower your voice [Luqmaan 31:19]

“O ye who believe! Do not squander one another’s wealth in vanities, but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good will.”Qur’an:4:29

“God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable.” Qur’an:60:8

Debunking promoting killing in Islam

Misconception: Islam and The Quran promotes fighting, war and terrorism (please also see misconception: Islam and The Quran promotes a 'clash of civilisations') Background: Some think that Islam, Muslims and The Quran promote fighting, killing, war and terrorism, especially for reasons of differing faith or in order to establish Muslim rule. The idea of fighting people only because of a difference in faith does not exist in The Quran. In fact, it warns about accusing other people of being misguided in order to seek worldly gains: O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace: “You are not a believer!” You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God favoured you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do." [4:94] O you who acknowledge, let not a people ridicule other people, for they may be better than them. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than them. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining acknowledgement. Anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors. [49:11] The Quran clearly states fight those who fight you, not non-combatants or civilians: Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not aggressors. [2:190] Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. [60:8] O believers! Stand out firmly for God, as witnesses for the sake of justice, and let not the hatred of a people cause you to turn away from justice. Do justice, for that is akin to piety... [5:8] All examples of fighting in The Quran are related to self-defence of oneself or in defence of others who are clearly oppressed, never as aggressors, for example Except for those who reach a people between whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had God willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and did not fight you, and they offer you peace; then God does not make for you a way against them. [4:90] And why should you not fight in the cause of God and the weak and oppressed among men, women and children who say, "Our Lord rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors. And give us from You, a protector. And give us from You, a helper" [4:75] Retaliate with equivalence: And if you take your turn, then retaliate with the like of that with which you were afflicted; but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient. [16:126] The sanctity of life: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for corruption in the land, it is as though he killed all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments... [5:32] If we take the above verse into account with The Quran's very strong condemnation of oppression below, it is surely a poignant message to reflect upon: ...oppression is worse than murder... [2:191, 2:217] Even during open war, believers are ordered to be compassionate and offer protection if requested: And if anyone from the polytheists seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the word of The God, then deliver him to his safety/security. This is because they are a people who do not know. [9:6] Emphasis on opting for forgiveness, peace and that which is good/righteous: But if the enemy incline towards peace, then you also incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that hears and knows (all things). [8:61] And those who, when gross injustice befalls them, they seek justice. The recompense for a crime shall be its equivalence, but whoever forgives and makes right, then his reward is upon God. He does not like the wrongdoers. And for any who demand action after being wronged, those are not committing any error. The error is upon those who oppress the people, and they aggress in the land without cause. For these will be a painful retribution. And for he who is patient and forgives, then that is an indication of strength. [42:39-43] God guides with it (The Quran) whoever follows His acceptance, to the ways of peace; and He brings them out of the darkness and into the light by His leave; and He guides them to a Straight Path. [5:16] The true servants of the Beneficent are those who walk upon the earth humbly, and when the ignorant ones address them, they say, "Peace!" [25:63] Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy may become your best friend. [41:34] To these We grant twice the reward for that they have been patient. And they counter evil with good, and from Our provisions to them, they give. [28:54] To each is a direction that he will take, so you shall race towards good deeds. Wherever you may be, God will bring you all together. God is capable of all things. [2:148] O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace: “You are not a believer!” You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God favoured you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do. [4:94]

“And in their (the earlier prophets) footsteps We sent Jesus the son o Mary, confirming the law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him, a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God.” Qur’an:5:46

The parable of those who spend their wealth in the way of God is that of a grain that sprouts into seven ears, each bearing one hundred grains. God gives manifold increase to whom He wishes. God has boundless knowledge. Those who spend their wealth in the cause of God, and do not follow their charity with reminders of their generosity or injure the feeling of the recipient, shall get their reward from their Lord; they shall have nothing to fear or to regret.Kind words and forgiveness are better than charity followed by injury. Qur’an:2:261-263

Hadiths
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Religion is very easy, and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way. So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded.” Bukhari:V1N38

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “A man has sinned enough if he neglects to feed those in need.” Fiqh-us-Sunnah:V3N100

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man and resurrect me in the company of the poor..” His wife asked him why he said that, and he replied: “Because (the poor) will enter Paradise (before) the rich. Do not turn away a poor man…even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you..God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection.” Al-Tirmidhi:1376

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, ‘O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have [u]faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts.'” Bukhari:V9N600

a reply to: neo96

Those aren't christians who are going around strapping bombs on themselves.

They don't need to do that because they have aircraft and drones to do it for them.

Those aren't christians going around beheading journalist's.

No they just pass laws where people are executed for being a homosexual. Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 And guess who helped to pass this law? The good old evangelicals from America.

Those aren't christians going around stoning people.

If some had their way they would.
Oklahoma Tea Party Candidate Calls For Homosexuals To Be Stoned To Death! (Video)

Those aren't christians who say a woman needs 5 witness to 'prove' rape.

Seeing how they want to control women's bodies it is a surprise they don't. Oh yeah it's the woman's fault she is raped and if she gets pregnant her body can just shut it down.
Blame the victim: Religious leaflet claims 'ungodly' dressed women provoke rape

Apples to GD oranges comparison.

No it isn't you have extremist in every religion. So people with that know what they are talking about blame the person committing the crime not the religion itself.

a reply to: buster2010

Yo keep making excuses for them.

Funny part there is they have been doing that SINCE BEFORE THIS COUNTRY EVER EXISTED.

So what is their excuse for that eh?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96

Those aren't christians who are going around strapping bombs on themselves.

They don't need to do that because they have aircraft and drones to do it for them.

Those aren't christians going around beheading journalist's.

No they just pass laws where people are executed for being a homosexual. Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 And guess who helped to pass this law? The good old evangelicals from America.

Those aren't christians going around stoning people.

If some had their way they would.
Oklahoma Tea Party Candidate Calls For Homosexuals To Be Stoned To Death! (Video)

Those aren't christians who say a woman needs 5 witness to 'prove' rape.

Seeing how they want to control women's bodies it is a surprise they don't. Oh yeah it's the woman's fault she is raped and if she gets pregnant her body can just shut it down.
Blame the victim: Religious leaflet claims 'ungodly' dressed women provoke rape

Apples to GD oranges comparison.

No it isn't you have extremist in every religion. So people with that know what they are talking about blame the person committing the crime not the religion itself.

I get you were responding to his post in particular, but come on. A few fringe examples is nothing compared to the common place savegery of radical islam. Let's not pretend this isn't a serious issue, one that is particularly connectes to islam. No where did I say all followers, or even the majority, of islam fit this description.

a reply to: neo96
I'm not making any excuses for them if anyone is making the excuses it is you. As I said there are extremist in just about every religion and to paint the religion as a whole because of them is just plain ignorance.

a reply to: dr1234

I get you were responding to his post in particular, but come on. A few fringe examples is nothing compared to the common place savagery of radical Islam.

What sect of Islam? If you are going to make baseless claims about something you need to know what you are talking about. In many Muslim nations the women have every right that men have also in other Muslim nations they have elected women to be their head of state something that America has yet to do.

Let's not pretend this isn't a serious issue, one that is particularly connectes to islam.

Have you even once thought about why they have extremists? Would it be because a nation like America stages coups to replace their governments with brutal dictators like Saddam? Would it be because America builds bases on land they consider is holy to them? How would America feel if Mexico went into Texas and bulldozed the Alamo so they could build a base there? If you want to solve a problem first you need to look at what causes the problem.

No where did I say all followers, or even the majority, of islam fit this description.

You may want to check and see who I was replying to because unless you are neo96 using another account then I wasn't replying to you.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: dr1234

I get you were responding to his post in particular, but come on. A few fringe examples is nothing compared to the common place savagery of radical Islam.

What sect of Islam? If you are going to make baseless claims about something you need to know what you are talking about. In many Muslim nations the women have every right that men have also in other Muslim nations they have elected women to be their head of state something that America has yet to do.

Let's not pretend this isn't a serious issue, one that is particularly connectes to islam.

Have you even once thought about why they have extremists? Would it be because a nation like America stages coups to replace their governments with brutal dictators like Saddam? Would it be because America builds bases on land they consider is holy to them? How would America feel if Mexico went into Texas and bulldozed the Alamo so they could build a base there? If you want to solve a problem first you need to look at what causes the problem.

No where did I say all followers, or even the majority, of islam fit this description.

You may want to check and see who I was replying to because unless you are neo96 using another account then I wasn't replying to you.

That was just a disclaimer at the end, I wasn't directing it towards you. Also I understand that they have some anger towards america, but it's more than america they are going after. Baseless? Uou want a sect, how about ISIS, al queda, boko horom, and countless others. You're fighting for a side that is hated, not by me, but by many. There is a reason for this, and once you start defending thier actions I start to take you less seriously.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
You didn't clear up the confusion. I didn't say felt I said have the same ideas.The Taliban are just a group with Sunni belief.
Let me put it more clearly what is the difference between you a Sunni and the Taliban who are Sunni religiously? My bet is nothing just like the IRA are catholic.

One Celt to another uh, So you are also a new convert to Islam the worst kind just like newly born again ones. Being a Celt your roots are not in Islam but Druidism.

If you feel like you have the truth of the only one true god Allah then so be it and have fun in your new found faith.

Read this site:
www.thereligionofpeace.com...
Then tell us why we shouldn't fear the actions of Islamists.

Hatred is a weakness.

It is a loss of sympathy. A void of empathy. A vacuum of love and forgiveness.

Hatred is easy. Hatred requires no thought.

It is the basest of emotions. It is the simplest of emotions.

What a world it would be if we could all grow and evolve.

originally posted by: ParanoidAmerican
a reply to: smithjustinb

Wait are you claiming that Christians faiths have not been as violent as Islamic? The list is long for Christians as well.....all organized religions kill those that don't fit their standards at some point.

Rowanda in 1995 500k-1M killed

Bosnia 1992-1995 300k killed

African Christians attack Muslims

10 Modern Acts of Christian Terror

Long list....

Hmm. I was unaware of any of that. But, I think all religions are wrong, anyway, and none of it surprises me.

After reading your previous posts I can see you are trolling him to get a rise

I'm not trolling. I'm standing up for what I believe and speaking out against what I don't believe.

and your first post is extremely hostile

Sometimes, certain situations call for hostility.

real mature derailing a thread others are benefiting from..

No one is benefiting from this thread if they are taking the OP seriously.