A second Health care worker in Dallas diagnosed with Ebola

The error created by and the mindset of hospital management in Dallas would be scary to most people but that is the way our world works. Management is mostly useless. People in power and wielding ignorance often guide and control systems.

originally posted by: MrLimpet
a reply to: fwkitziger

A reporter asked the Mayor if this was one of the two that were being closely monitored.

He uncomfortably said; No...

edit......NCB above heard the same thing.

So just how many are they watching?

www.cnn.com...

Just wow. There will likely be many more. This is going from bad to worse. What's so awful is that they have Pham to manage still, imagine the hell she feels knowing she might inadvertently infect her friends given the lack of protocol/systems in place even still.

The report from the CIDRAP group was a good read on whether ebola is airborne (link below)— there was a thread on it either yesterday or Monday. Essentially their argument was that “airborne” is an archaic & misunderstood term that should no longer be used. Instead aerosolized is a better used term. They posited that based on previous studies done, ebola is indeed aerosolized but that infecting a victim through the lungs is not its favorite form of transmission and therefore less effective. Aerosolized does not mean you can get it from simply breathing in the air that an infected person breaths out, but something like a cough where droplets are dispersed can be contagious. What is also important about being aerosolized is that something as simple as flushing a toilet after someone has vomited or had diarrhea will aerosolize the particles. Something else important to note is that in early stages of the virus, the droplets contains fewer particles of the virus than in later stages making it easier for aerosol transmission in later stages of the virus. The last important piece I took from the report is that once aerosolized, the virus can live in the air for up to an hour depending on conditions such as temperature and humidity.
www.cidrap.umn.edu...

a reply to: texasgirl

Im assuming they are talking about the homeless guy?

originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: texasgirl

Im assuming they are talking about the homeless guy?

That's what I thought at first but he was found Sunday, the day before this order was posted.

Good grief...the nurses union points out

Even today, Burger said, some hospital staff at the Dallas hospital do not have proper equipment to handle the outbreak.

“Hospital managers have assured nurses that proper equipment has been ordered but it has not arrived yet,” she said.

CNNs doctor points out you can get this stuff at Home Depot or have it shipped over night.

And treating other patients after treating Mr. Duncan?

No doom porn needed for this nightmare.

a reply to: nugget1

Thanks for that post, so far you are well informed on the stats when it comes to Duncan spread of infection, I say it again Duncan spread his disease in the hospital during his visit.

So far infections are coming from the people that were closes to him the longer during his stay in the Hospital.

Clearly a hospital mismanagement of the situation with a deadly diseases.

I expect more health care workers to come down with the sickness.

This is a lesson for other hospitals around the nation to learn if ebola spread outside the Dallas area.

a reply to: texasgirl

Never mind. Misunderstood question.

a reply to: kosmicjack
Fumble on the play. During the 3 hours that Duncan waited for an isolation room, other patients were exposed--and they stayed in quarantine for 1 day. Nurses who cared for Duncan were taking care of other patients. I'm getting tachycardia just doing the math.

a reply to: judydawg
Is there a link to the Mayor or Dr. Speeches ?

a reply to: drwill

Considering the DOW is plunging this morning and down over 300 points so far today...you are not the only one.

Des

a reply to: intrptr

This isn't proof, but it is worrisome.
This link will take you to a page with 2 videos recorded live yesterday from an ebola symposium at Johns Hopkins. If you begin listening at the 02:50:00 (2 hour, 50 minute mark) of the 1st video, you will hear Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of CIDRAP discussing transmission in close "airspace" (say within 12"), and the severe pathology in the lungs of macaques infected with this ebola strain retreived from Guinea 6 weeks ago.
Macaque monkeys aren't humans, but they are sub-human primates.

Here is my transcription (any inaccuracies are mine, taken from the 02:55:06 mark):
(Osterholm):
"Well, you know what? I was one of those people early on, explaining why HIV was never going to be a respiritory pathogen. Because we understood the physiology of the lung, we understood which cells the virus was in, and we understood that that was not going to be an issue.

That is different than this.

Number 1, we've had examples of sub-human primates, were transmission of ebola virus has occured via the respiritory issue tract. We had one, where pigs transmitted to sub-human primates. And it was interesting, because one of the bioinformatics people commented a lot on this said, " well, you see that's not a problem, because that is just from cleaning up the litter on the floor that did it."
Which is even worse, if they had thought through it. The virus was deposited on the floor and then re-aerosolized. Literally, that even makes it worse. Okay.

But I think the point being here, is that some people are concerned because we don't understand why that virus passed the 1st time, in the sub-human primates.

Today, I've been given permission, something I've known about for a few weeks, when I wrote the piece, I knew this, and it concerned me greatly.

Gary Kobinger and colleagues, at Winnipeg, the Canadian National Lab, actually took one of the strains from Guinea, and put it into macaques a little over a month and a half ago. What they saw was remarkable. It was unlike any of the ebola viruses they had seen in monkeys. It was much, much more severe. The pathology of the lungs was remarkable. And as Gary said, he is one of the most prominent ebola virologists in the world, "It is very worrisome to me, about what I saw there."

Maybe this is a different virus? Maybe there is that possibility, because that much virus in the lungs means maybe somebody might cough it up and maybe you might hit a cycle (I'm unclear on that last phrase).

Now, I'm not saying that here to scare people. Plan "B"? What the hell are we going to do if suddenly see the potential for transmission that could be respiratory in nature? Do we have a plan? I don't know if it is a 1 in a million chance, a 1 in 100,000 chance. The point of it is, if we can't talk about that, because someone says, "you're scaring people". And you know, the blowback has been substantial. You know, I guess I'm getting old because it doesn't me so much any more."

He concludes by saying he hopes someone has a plan B.

I know this was long, so thanks for reading.

a reply to: judydawg

125 that we know about.

CDC now watching 125 people for Ebola signs

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now monitoring 125 people for symptoms of the deadly Ebola virus, including 76 who came into contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian national who died of the disease last week in a Dallas hospital.

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Also stated by several other members in this thread, stat that Dallas Judge Clay Jenkins has been seen sick, is there links to this video as well as links to the press video by the Doctors and Mayor.

originally posted by: KonigKaos
Also stated by several other members in this thread, stat that Dallas Judge Clay Jenkins has been seen sick, is there links to this video as well as links to the press video by the Doctors and Mayor.

Yes, he looks pretty bad. Could be stress from finally realizing what an idiot he is. If they are still dragging this idiot around to try to quell fear in people, they need to stop. He looks like death warmed over at this point. If he is sick...they are doing something criminal for publicity's sake.

Des

originally posted by: MrLimpet
a reply to: texasgirl

Pretty sure this is the guy.

Biography David L. Lakey, M.D. Commissioner, Texas Department of State Health Services

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Dr. Lakey is the guy who is asking for this infected Ebola person to be strongly guarded at one our hospitals. I want to know who this potential ebola person is, and if he's walking around the streets of Dallas.

a reply to: Destinyone I would like to see the video of the Judge, just cant seem to find it in searches around the net. Just found other blogs about it. Mystery deepens and the virus spreads

Heard a bleep on the news the hospital has an isolated area for 3 patients. They are looking at alternatives to accommodate additional patients.

3 patients!!!!!!?????

Anyone else hear that? Looking for a link.

a reply to: texasgirl

I hope this will ease you fears on the family of ebola man Duncan, this was posted yesterday.

Family that lived with Texas Ebola victim showing no symptoms, mayor says

The family who shared an apartment with a Liberian man who died of Ebola in Texas is showing no signs of illness, while the dog of a nurse who contracted the deadly virus is healthy and being cared for, Dallas's mayor said on Tuesday.

Thomas Eric Duncan's girlfriend, her 13-year-old son and two nephews in their 20s had been living with Duncan before he was admitted to a Dallas hospital on Sept. 28.

"So far no signs of the virus in any of them," Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said on CNN. "We check them twice a day, and everybody's healthy."

Rawlings said none of the other people being monitored after contact with Duncan, who died on Oct. 8, have gotten sick. There is a 21-day incubation period for the virus that has killed at least 4,400 people, predominantly in West Africa.

www.foxnews.com...

So far it seems that infection is now within hospital staff in Dallas hospital, I feel that the entire hospital should be quaranteen and patients transfer to Atlanta.