A second Health care worker in Dallas diagnosed with Ebola

On incineration and transportation:

Sorry, long quote :
"...Ebola's catastrophic course includes diarrhea, vomiting and hemorrhaging of blood, a combination difficult enough to contain in less-communicable illnesses. When they are highly contagious, disposing of the waste and cleaning up what is left behind require expertise and equipment that some specialists said are lacking even in highly regarded medical facilities.

Those shortcomings are compounded, they said, by surprising gaps in scientists' knowledge about the Ebola virus itself, down to the time it can survive in different environments outside the body.

"The time for educating on these things is not when we're in the midst of a crisis," Paul D. Roepe, the co-director of Georgetown University's Center for Infectious Disease, said in a telephone interview. "The time was years ago. Even with the billions we've spent preparing our health systems for this sort of scenario, we're still so open to error."

A handful of medical centers nationwide, including ones at Emory University and the University of Nebraska that treated the first Ebola cases in this country, are specially equipped and their staff members trained to address the challenges. But they are the exceptions.

Most hospitals do not have incinerators or the steam sterilizers called autoclaves with the capacity to handle large amounts of infectious waste. Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, the 866-bed facility in Dallas where two nurses became ill after treating an Ebola patient, has had to pack and ship 55-gallon drums of waste — from body fluids to linens to contaminated protective suits to an entire hospital bed — to a Port Arthur, Texas, incinerator for disposal.

The federal Department of Transportation, which regulates hazardous waste shipments, was forced to issue special permits to move waste from the hospital and an Ebola victim's apartment because the agency's packaging requirements were not designed for such large volumes of highly infectious material. ..."
Waste from Ebola poses challenge to hospitals

and numbers monitored:
www.latimes.com...://" target="_blank" class="postlink">Ebola in the U.S.: 1,000 people under some level of watch
LA Times link www.latimes.com... Problem with display in post.

a reply to: k3d59

So in essence what is being said here is that more than a handful of cases is going to create a complete # storm. Somewhat literally.

I don't know if this has been posted anywhere, but here is a link to a leaked internal Seattle Police Department memo, that explains how to handle a possible Ebola situation.

Leaked SPD Memo

Gives you some clue how local authorities may handle it, should the need arise.

and theres the TX person. wait what 12 days ago its not even reported until that 15th well the 12th if your looking at it but the 6th? we're going to martial law folks.

originally posted by: Speckle
and theres the TX person. wait what 12 days ago its not even reported until that 15th well the 12th if your looking at it but the 6th? we're going to martial law folks.

What are you even saying dude? This is the second nonsensical post I have seen you make tonight.

a reply to: Speckle

Who is that in response to and what are you trying to say?

Some really funny comments with this article.
Ebola waste from Dallas hospital arrives at UTMB-Galveston.

Same for this:

Galveston police find woman with flu-like symptoms while investigating suspected shoplifter Officers told woman had just gotten back from Africa.
Good ole WalMart

a reply to: antar

Thanks for your quite reasonable post. And as you said, this could be a combination of several viruses/bacteria, much as the plague was. We still have sick (and dying) kids in the MidWest from a respiratory illness, separate from Ebola, and this story gets no press.

Ebola is such a difficult disease to catch, and a handful of confirmed cases has caused such hysteria. Instead of "incompetence" (although Team Obama is no slouch in that department) I think this Panic-demic has been caused by too much hysterical reporting - and too little facts. (More truth suppression?)

Here's an article this morning that is the first I've seen that identifies the actual length of quarantine (21 days), and actually reports on the people IN quarantine (NONE of which have developed Ebola):

www.nytimes.com... lid=49939149&_r=0
LIFE IN QUARANTINE FOR EBOLA EXPOSURE: 21 DAYS OF FEAR AND LOATHING

a reply to: MKMoniker

That story gets no press because the source seems to be undocumented workers from Central America...

a reply to: raymundoko

"That story gets no press because the source seems to be undocumented workers from Central America... "

Or the latest version, the virus came across the border with the illegal immigrant-kids. Honestly, does it matter where it came from? There is the panspermia theory, that viruses are arriving all the time on Earth from meteorites and asteroids. Who are these Haters going to rush to blame then?

www.panspermia-theory.com...
PANSPERMIA THEORY

Here's a story about this respiratory virus, that is written with clarity and non-hysterical attention to detail that has been totally missing from the coverage of Ebola:

www.newser.com...
TEXAS PHYSICIAN SAYS EV-68 ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES
"Enterovirus-68—a respiratory illness for which there's no specific treatment, according to the CDC—has sent hundreds of people (mostly kids) to the hospital nationwide: By last count, there were 443 cases reported in 40 states, NBC News notes.

"But one doctor says that the illness may be a bit overhyped. "Hysterical, that's the way I describe it," Dr. Paul Checchia of Texas Children's Hospital tells NBC. "It is a significant respiratory pathogen, but it is not really different from a lot of other respiratory pathogens out there."

(NOTE: Did our hysterical reaction to this respiratory virus give TPTB the idea to over-hype Ebola?)

a reply to: MKMoniker

Ok, so I came on to announce that a newer virus has hit the Midwest, I know of at least 3 people suffering right now from Hand, Foot and mouth disease! 2 of them fully grown teenagers. If not familiar with the HIGHLY contagious disease/Virus look here:

The most common cause of hand-foot-and-mouth disease is infection with the coxsackievirus A16. The coxsackievirus belongs to a group of viruses called nonpolio enteroviruses. Other types of enteroviruses sometimes cause hand-foot-and-mouth disease.

Although from everything I have read this is a fairly common virus, I have never heard of it before it stuck my sons GF, her baby nephew and her best friend (highly contagious). What made me raise an eyebrow were some of the symptoms, now if those went untreated it could very well look like what we are seeing in Africa with the bleeding mouth, fever, ash, general malaise, but really no outward hemorrhaging as we have seen. I am not down playing Ebola in Africa but just think it odd how the very few pictures we have seen of the dead were not the typical hemorrhage scenes. In my best guess the Ebola virus has transmuted and probably not the same structure it was back in the late 70's.

Just wanted to share this, an entervirus? Highly contagious and causes similar symptoms to ebola? I am feeling like we are in a global petri dish.

www.mayoclinic.org...

a reply to: antar

I don't know about ebola changing, yes I can only guess that it could here in this side of the hemisphere, due to different environment, but MR. Duncan had all the bad effects of ebola, vomiting, diarrhea, sores and all laced with blood.

Dallas Nurse Amber Vinson No Longer Has Ebola

Splash three, though why is the only place this is being reported in People magazine?

She is steadily regaining her strength and her spirits are high.

"Amber and our family are ecstatic to receive this latest report on her condition," said Vinson's mom, Debra Berry. "We all know that further treatment will be necessary as Amber continues to regain strength, but these latest developments have truly answered prayers and bring our family one step closer to reuniting with her at home."

Her family and friends were stung by suggestions that Vinson, who volunteered to care for Thomas Eric Duncan – the first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. – had been reckless in flying to Cleveland over the Columbus Day holiday for a weekend of wedding planning.

ETA: Oh...also in Time. Amber Vinson’s Family Says She’s Ebola-Free

Both say her family is reporting, not docs or the CDC.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Dallas Nurse Amber Vinson No Longer Has Ebola



Splash three, though why is the only place this is being reported in People magazine?

She is steadily regaining her strength and her spirits are high.



"Amber and our family are ecstatic to receive this latest report on her condition," said Vinson's mom, Debra Berry. "We all know that further treatment will be necessary as Amber continues to regain strength, but these latest developments have truly answered prayers and bring our family one step closer to reuniting with her at home."



Her family and friends were stung by suggestions that Vinson, who volunteered to care for Thomas Eric Duncan – the first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S. – had been reckless in flying to Cleveland over the Columbus Day holiday for a weekend of wedding planning.

ETA: Oh...also in Time. Amber Vinson’s Family Says She’s Ebola-Free



Both say her family is reporting, not docs or the CDC.

I saw this on the news this morning. How is she Ebola-free if she was in worse condition than Nina Pham? Nina Pham is in good condition but they didn't say she was Ebola-free.

I think I'll wait for the docs to come out and confirm it. This just feels weird.

a reply to: texasgirl
Odd, isn't it?

And again, it's her family saying it and not doctors or the CDC? She is in Atlanta if I remember correctly, and Pham is in Maryland.

Also, to recap, Pham got a transfusion and Vinson didn't (as far as I know).

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: texasgirl

Odd, isn't it?



And again, it's her family saying it and not doctors or the CDC? She is in Atlanta if I remember correctly, and Pham is in Maryland.



Also, to recap, Pham got a transfusion and Vinson didn't (as far as I know).

And her family refused to give out progress reports during Amber's treatment. That sort of hinted, to me anyway, that she was not doing well.

a reply to: texasgirl
I know. They said she was among the worst cases. I'm not sure at exactly what point they call someone recovered. Is it when, as they imply here, there is no more "ebola" showing on the test? Also, I've been wondering about false positives too. But, beyond all this, she is still not well and as they said has a way to go to recover.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Someone is Ebola free once it no longer shows up in their blood work,

I think the family is just saying she is recovering, and that she seems to have gotten past the deadly part of the disease. The info did not come from doctors or the CDC, just the girls family. They are probably being optimistic, good for them.

a reply to: raymundoko

Right, as I stated above and as in the article linked above: "As of Tuesday night, Dallas nurse Amber Vinson no longer has the Ebola virus in her body, according to a statement from her family."

Nurse Amber Vinson Ebola-free, discharged from hospitall

Looks GREAT.