"Public Schools Introduce Islam" In Mississippi

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

There is a difference between allowing and disallowing for religious purposes. For instance, a Jewish kid gets special treatment during their holidays, missing sporting events (without punishment) for games on shabot. A muslim is excused from the draft because their beliefs. A Christian gets Christmas off because of Christ bday.

These things are cultural and the system is being open to adjusting for each.

It is the far right that pushes the notion that Islam is favored when it simply is not.

AAC

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

Really don't drag left v right into this. Left v right is a total farce meant to divide even further.

There's a huge problem if one faith can be expressed but others can't.

If I'm not mistaken most public schools are off for Christmas and the Muslim students don't attend as well.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

I may have over simplified by saying far right. Sorry. I should narrow it down to Neo conservation Christian traditionalists that have unconditional support for all things israel.

AAC

originally posted by: 200Plus

No, covering your head for religion or just because you darn well want to is the same exact thing. I'm utterly appalled that some people think it's different!

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Then you simply want to be appalled and nothing will change that.

a reply to: desertguy

You're right, they should also teach about Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism etc etc etc.

What is wrong with being educated and knowledgeable about the world?

Education does does equate to conversion.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

I do think that the system has been used as leverage against the constitutional rights regarding religion. Then mix that with separation of church and state and a lot of the educational institutions are stuck trying to fall within the lines of both. However, I don't think one bit that they are trying to favor Islam and falling out of faro with Christianity.

As I said, my nephew, who goes to a public school, has organized bible studies at the school after class.

AAC

a reply to: 200Plus

No, I don't - I just am. Deal with it.

originally posted by: MiguelTheMagician
a reply to: desertguy

You're right, they should also teach about Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism etc etc etc.

What is wrong with being educated and knowledgeable about the world?

Education does does equate to conversion.

What the hell is the point in teaching them all of that, when they can't multiply?

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

So, lets just teach maths 24/7 and ignore the other stuff? Or perhaps teach our kids *all* of this properly?

Maybe if some of you actually knew a little about Islam (rather than ISIS or the MSM line, there is a difference if you could be bothered to open your minds a little rather than just tarring all with the same myopic prejudiced brush) then this would not have tickled your ignorant outrage buttons so strongly.

This thread is just full of stupid, and you are one of the ones who seems smart elsewhere but when Islam gets involved, your brain just switches off.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

So, lets just teach maths 24/7 and ignore the other stuff? Or perhaps teach our kids *all* of this properly?

Maybe if some of you actually knew a little about Islam (rather than ISIS or the MSM line, there is a difference if you could be bothered to open your minds a little rather than just tarring all with the same myopic prejudiced brush) then this would not have tickled your ignorant outrage buttons so strongly.

This thread is just full of stupid, and you are one of the ones who seems smart elsewhere but when Islam gets involved, your brain just switches off.

Are you blind to my post where I stated that I live with a muslim and my best friend is one and I also study it in formal education?

You need to check yourself, because you have me all wrong. I'm not anti-islam - I'm anti stupid and I'm most definitely for equal treatment.

I also never once said anywhere in this thread - or in any other - that kids should be taught one subject only. But, You're welcome to trawl through any thread I've ever posted in in a vain search to find what you likely should now know you won't find because it doesn't exist.

I advocate teaching children the basics, first. That's all.

Once the basic, traditional curriculum is taught properly, then we can teach them other stuff.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Dude , you clearly stated they should not be teaching this stuff as kids still cant do maths properly, you said it more than once too so I wont play that game of "quote me", you know it's true and you also said that folk should only learn this in Uni. Seriously, leaning a little about the world must wait until 18? You oppose a balanced education?

Of course you don't, but you are caught up and starting to sound like the Daily Mail, check yourself man.

I often like your posts tbh, you express yourself excellently on LGBT issues then when I read you in Islam related thread you just sound like the goons you oppose in in those LGBT threads, regardless of who you live with.

a reply to: skalla

And where in any of my posts do I say that mathematics is the only subject they should be taught?

Edit: I'm serious, though - find where I said that mathematics is the only subject that should be taught to kids. I never did.

I'm really confused because you're the second person to have accused me of it and I'm wondering if it's just how some people's brains are wired, because I never said it and I never implied it.

carp, bb code failure and epic edit balls up, I will return....

A valid point, but I think mathematics might be a tad more important than islam and anything to do with it.

It's just that kids are growing up not being able to spell properly and someone thinking islam is important when they are dumb as posts isn't exactly a smart move.

While all of that is quite valid, the fact remains that kids have better and more important things to learn than religion.

Kids in one of the world's most powerful nations, which also is well known for producing inward looking xenophobes should broaden their horizons. There is an epic amount of BS talked about Islam in US media and anyone who has a problem with smartening up the young needs taking around the back and putting out of our misery. Apologies for my tone their but I have just had major issues with the mrs' stupid bloody laptop.

You cant seriously suggest though, that as maths education is substandard, that other stuff should be dropped?

Perhaps employing better maths teachers would work?

a reply to: skalla

Yes! That is exactly what I'm suggesting and I'm baffled as to why you are offended by the notion. I'm not saying kids shouldn't learn religious history in their history classes, I'm saying god almighty can we please teach them the basics properly first.

I recall reading somewhere that maths teachers were becoming extinct. Forget where, but I was never a fan of the subject so I feel like I know why!

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

I'm not offended by it, I just think that it's daft. It is not hard to spend most of the week on the basics as such, and enrich and enlighten kids by adding a few hours of the non basics.

It creates rounded individuals who understand the world better, rather than folk who can only do long division and use a semi-colon properly.

a reply to: skalla

I agree - but what is happening isn't working. If it isn't working, this is where I'm a bit concerned that adding something like religious history is just silly. It's like painting a building that's about to be demolished.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

But that's just saying that you cannot add or improve a certain section of the curriculum until another is improved first. That's kinda counter productive if you think about it and a touch like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

I'm actually surprised that posters here are saying "why add this subject" and so forth. Now the report via the vid has no detail, just invective so there is little to work on as to how this lesson/project on Islam came about... but in the US don't you have a Religious Education lesson regularly at certain ages? Seeing as we did in the uk from 11-13 as far as I recall I always just assumed you had something similar.

Surely this topic on Islam was just a segment of a regular class on somekinda timetabled Humanities class?

a reply to: skalla

The current system and curriculum is broken. Why varnish broken furniture, when you can restore it altogether?

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: skalla

The current system and curriculum is broken. Why varnish broken furniture, when you can restore it altogether?

So lets reduce this down.

This means that nobody learns jack#### in the meantime until you get your way?

For realsies?

Think of the kittens!