Aww poor college students boo hoo!

This article uses a pretty bad example in order to garner sympathy from me for college kids with student loan debt. Kids nowadays better wake up and realize the economy most us enjoyed is over unfortunately. College is increasingly a terrible decision for many young people. So this kid is going to go into more debt to go to law school??????! Law is one of the worst fields to go into especially compared to how expensive schooling is! This kid is a manager at Whole Foods! He could work his way up the corporate ladder! WH is a solid company to work for! But like most college grads he probably thinks he deserves to make $100k right out of school! I think too many damn college kids have too damn high of expectations and want instant financial gratification!
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What article?

If they can't get the money from the students, if its a government loan, they will go to the parents of the student, which in many cases will require the parents to mortgage the house to pay it off.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

Ah yes paying to be even more indoctrination. Paying to give your freedoms what blasphemy is this.

originally posted by: eManym
If they can't get the money from the students, if its a government loan, they will go to the parents of the student, which in many cases will require the parents to mortgage the house to pay it off.

Parents mindset these days is even worse than kids. College isn't the only way to the middle class lifestyle! Lots of young 18 year olds could start even a tiny little business and by the time they are 25-30 they'd probably be much better off than if they salivated after some white collar middle class dream. I think we need to foster creativity, drive, and entrepreneurship in our young people not simply a degree and useless piece of paper. This is also how we can fight the monopolistic take over of the corporation which facilitates this vicious cycle by setting the highering bar higher and higher by requiring more and more credentials.

I got news for you, pal. Its a scam and some of us fell for it because we had parents and teachers that drilled the mantra "you will be nothing without a degree" from day one of first grade.

Couple that with colleges using every underhanded trick in the book to squeeze more money out of you (like required texts that you never use, the neverending deluge of fees, required classes that are only offered once every other year..if you have a scheduling conflict with another class thats tough noogies) in the faint hope that you wont have to flip burgers or wade in human excrement (i've done *both*) for a pittance.

I would love to buy a house or a car and actually contribute to the economy but no, after my student loan payments and single/no kids income tax/medicare/medicaid liability half of my income disappears like dust in the wind.

Step down from your ivory tower and direct your scorn to where it belongs.

It doesn't hurt to have some empathy for your fellow humans. One thing I think we as a society should pay for is the education and betterment of our fellow man (or woman).

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

I bet becoming a doctor costs even more but yeah they are stupid kids right for getting an education.

At some point those stupid kids will be taking care of you but maybe your right and those fields should just die out.

On the bright side if that happens then your generation should die out sooner as well the whole system would then reboot. Maybe they can make it better where education is affordable again.


Just a thought.

FYI I paid for my university by serving as a soldier first. I heard we are drawing down now though. Sucks for the young but I still wish I was. Young that is.

a reply to: netwarrior

The baby boomers fell for the celebrity president Reagan's promises and sold out their children to the bankers and corporations. Now that America is crumbling thanks to the selfish acts of their generation they like to scapegoat the kids they raised. More importantly, they enjoyed all the prosperity of America like rich kids throwing a wild party and left it to their children to suffer everything they avoided by luck of birth. They also have the balls to blame the kids. Baby boomers live by a view of pay it to myself rather than pay it forward.. Wild overgeneralizations I know but better than blaming teenagers for wanting to go to college.

The real problem is that we no longer have a manufacturing base like we once did. That is what made America great and built the strong middle class. But over the years the corporations decided it was best to take their plants to China or Mexico.

So now we have to make a choice: Either we go to college and get an education (going in to debt).....hoping to find a spot in our elected field, or we flip burgers or run cash registers.

Great choices....huh?

So I think we have to change a lot of things to get America's middle class back in shape, but it would require a lot of work on our part and some concessions by the business owners.

a reply to: tavi45


You are only half right. It's the baby boomers grandkids that are going through the college fiasco not their kids.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

We need a revolution of spirit and culture. One that fosters empathy and community, family and one that empowers leaders not destroys them.

We need to care about each other first before that nothing will change.

originally posted by: netwarrior
I got news for you, pal. Its a scam and some of us fell for it because we had parents and teachers that drilled the mantra "you will be nothing without a degree" from day one of first grade.

Couple that with colleges using every underhanded trick in the book to squeeze more money out of you (like required texts that you never use, the neverending deluge of fees, required classes that are only offered once every other year..if you have a scheduling conflict with another class thats tough noogies) in the faint hope that you wont have to flip burgers or wade in human excrement (i've done *both*) for a pittance.

I would love to buy a house or a car and actually contribute to the economy but no, after my student loan payments and single/no kids income tax/medicare/medicaid liability half of my income disappears like dust in the wind.

Step down from your ivory tower and direct your scorn to where it belongs.

Oh please if you're intelligent enough to apply to law school and make it through a bachelors program you should be smart enough to figure out the so called scam as you put it! I'm hardly in an ivory tower. I saw the scam right in the middle of my edumacation and thankfully realized I better not take out more money than I can pay back. I didn't my degree until I was 27. And looking back I would have done things differently. How about promoting more technical jobs? This kid has no desire to have his class C and run big equipment or god forbid learn HVAC and start his own company. No he wants to go to law school as if we need more lawyers. And you missed the point , this KID already has a GOOD job most people would kill to have with a company that has very good upward mobility. But who wants to be a lowly manager at whole foods when you can be a lawyer with $100k in debt!

a reply to: sheepslayer247

I'm a business owner and I make a bunch of concessions already. You need to talk to the consumer that bought the cheap Wagon for their kids and not the radio flyer. That's what forced corporations to outsource. That's what killed the manufacturing base and started turning us into a service economy.

a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

one has to wonder :

what mr houninan`s first degree is in

why he is only now age 23 - " applying to law school "

WTF ??????????????

Know what my favorite thing about college students is?

They all hold themselves to such a high level, so intelligent, learned, approved knowledge to make themselves feel proud.

And they were too dumb to realize college is a scam. Enslaved by debt just to learn the few courses you needed while having to crawl through 50 courses you don't need.

It's a total scam. They become pompous, arrogant, thinking since they know each number and each state-approved fact that they're intellectual Olympians.

Notice how many are graduating into a country with no jobs? Or if they land a job it's at McDonalds, Staples or Family Dollar? Moving back in with their parents?

Don't let the few who landed jobs straight after graduation fool you, it's a total scam. Expensive babysitting with a social political flair. Be careful sending your children to college. It's indoctrination.

I have doubts as to whether the education is worth the money. I've have a friend going to college, and I've been helping him a lot. I've been consistently getting 80s without even reading the book. Now,I've never been to college, and if just my general knowledge is scoring B's, why would I want to pay to take the class?

As far as paying for it, we're all expected to be in debt for life these days, so what's another payment?

You are so Wrong! My brother in law makes around $600,000 a year as a lawyer. He does co own his own firm.
He works his butt off and is a true rags (trailer house) to riches (nice home) story. He did not ever eat meat growing
up because his single mom could not afford it. Work hard, honestly, and smart. Then good things in life happen.
College is not an easy choice for the kids or their parents have some respect.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Weird. I'm of the generation of the children of baby boomers and many people my age have the same issues. The scam is just super obvious now. It's not a new thing.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Every person after the baby bomber generation was taught that college is all but mandatory from day one. I teach for a living (no bachelor's since I figured out the scam EVENTUALLY) and this brainwashing still goes on. Kids learn what they are taught by incentives so calling then dumb for not noticing the scam even though they are sheltered and brainwashed is being wrong. The baby boomers started all this not their children and grandchildren.