Still Think the World is Waking up to the Conspiracy?

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Tedgoat

And....once again the most idiotic illustration ever from the truth movement returns to ATS. The impact area at the Pentagon, was over 90 feet wide, while it was not the cartoon cutout you obviously expected, neither was it the little hole you think it was.

And once again you regard an illustration as factual dimensions. It's an illustration to demonstrate! It's not meant to be the correct size!

Stop nit picking over things that are examples only!

On further research it is said the hole was 16 feet in diameter. So how does that fit regarding this picture.



So I see the engines would be very close to the hole! Duh! Nope!

a reply to: Tedgoat
AND, if you look at the frigging picture you just posted, you would see one of the building supports canted to the right.....just about where the ENGINE MOUNT most likely hit it. You complain there is no evidence that the engines hit, and then post a picture that SHOWS it. Not to mention, you talk about the 16 foot hole as if its the ONLY damage to the building. You, (and most truthers) fixate on the 16 foot wide hole caused by the 14 foot wide fuselage of the jet and ignore the other 70 plus feet of damage caused by the wings, and engines.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

You, (and most truthers) fixate on the 16 foot wide hole caused by the 14 foot wide fuselage of the jet and ignore the other

Because the real facts tend to put out the fire of their made up conspiracy.

This is to Tedgoat:

You didn't respond to my other posting.
How did the US hush all the worlds air crash investigators who have seen the same pictures you have?
You do accept that countries hostile to the US have their own crash investigators?
And yet they have never gone to the worlds news media to say the US government lied to the public.
Or is the US paying off the news media too?
How many groups is the US paying off to cover up this conspiracy?

This is to Tedgoat:

You didn't respond to my other posting.
How did the US hush all the worlds air crash investigators who have seen the same pictures you have?
You do accept that countries hostile to the US have their own crash investigators?
And yet they have never gone to the worlds news media to say the US government lied to the public.
Or is the US paying off the news media too?
How many groups is the US paying off to keep the lid on this conspiracy?

a reply to: samkent

There are countless investigators around the world that have spoken up. Most on Blog pages and alternative media sites. But none of them have ever gotten on the Mainstream Media news channels. Not one! Why is that you ask?

After all this time since 9/11 and all those Wars they have created and attacks on people in far away countries just to grab resources the media has constantly lied to us for them so that we do not see what is actually going on?!

How would the US Government need to pay off and hush the Media when they already owned them?!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." - Former CIA Director William Colby

Have you been living in a cave these past 14 years?

Here's a bit of info from an investigator called Russell Pickering an Ex Air Force Crew Chief and Fire Fighter.

Serious laws of physics directly counter the possibility of the 'official story's' explanation of the mysterious exit hole. We have been told to believe matter-of-factly that some mass from the airplane survived the initial impact and explosion, maintained its immense forward thrust, threaded its way through a 300-foot maze of stout reinforced concrete pillars, hit an exterior wall made up of 21 inch square steel reinforced concrete covered with 6 inches of limestone façade and 8 inches of brick backed with Kevlar mesh with such massive force that it punched a huge, neat, circular cut-out exit hole. And then, in a miracle as yet unexplained, that same mass with such potent forward thrust decelerated and disintegrated in the span of 30 feet, leaving not a mark on the next wall in its path, nor a physical trace of its existence

Read his report. It's very good and makes a hell of a lot of sense.

9/11 - Hard Facts

a reply to: Tedgoat

There are countless investigators around the world that have spoken up.

Show me where one air crash investigator has said there should be large pieces of airplane left after hitting the building.

Here's a bit of info from an investigator called Russell Pickering an Ex Air Force Crew Chief and Fire Fighter.

AIr crews and fire fighters are no investigators.

How would the US Government need to pay off and hush the Media when they already owned them?!

Have you been living in a cave these past 14 years?

Do they own Iranian news outlets? Russian? North Korean? Venezuelian?
All of these countries would love to poke a stick in the eye of the US government. Yet not one tourist has returned with a newspaper article.

Ever heard of Julian Assange?
No one ever dropped him a shred of proof.
If he had anything, he would post it on the web. That would be his 'get out of jail free' card.


Show us where any air crash investigator sides with you.

a reply to: samkent

You obviously completely ignored my earlier post and the link provided.

I'll post the link again along with others.

911hardfacts.com...

www.911truth.org...

www.911sharethetruth.com...

www.ae911truth.org...

www.wanttoknow.info...

topinfopost.com...

There are countless others. Look for yourself. You don't need me holding your hand!

a reply to: Tedgoat

And at the end of his report, he makes the glaring error that shows Mr. Pickering does not know as much as you think he does. Especially about the wall that what was left of Flight 77 punch out. That wall, was NOWHERE NEAR as stout as he thinks it was.

a reply to: Tedgoat

ae911truth? You are kidding using that website as anything other than comedic relief?

a reply to: Tedgoat

I'll post the link again along with others.

And not one of them an actual air crash investigator. hmmm
You get my point?
There is a lot of prostesters in Ferguson right now. But none of them are experts or have seen the evidence first hand.
You need experts in the field who have seen the evidence.

originally posted by: lambros56


The wings punched through on the towers.....both towers...

But not all the way out to the wing tips.

The entire gash at the Pentagon was around 90'wide. It ended outboard of the engines but inward of the wing tips.

The entire gash at the towers was similar.

All were roughly circular where the fuselages hit.

So there's actually a lot of similarities between the three.

One thing is for certain though : Tedgoat's claim of a 20' entrance hole is wrong. And he obviously doesn't care cuz he's an activist and is not interested in any truth cuz his "cause" is more important. Either that or he is so in love with his "cause" that he doesn't care if he repeats lies.

originally posted by: lambros56

I don't profess to know how fast a building is going to "collapse ".

If you don't know, and you admit this, then what kind of mental gymnastics does it take to present your argument :

There has to be a time for each floor to drop onto the next.
With all the rivets, bolts, welds etc snapping. How long would you say it would take one floor to hit the next and so on ?

Would one second sound right ?......I don't know because that would mean the building would reach the ground in around 108 seconds !
Half a second ?.....That`s just under a minute for all floors to reach the ground but it took around fifteen seconds ?

This is what I don't get.
Now I`d love an explanation...but I doubt you are going to offer one.

You have absolutely zero basis for your objections regarding the collapse time.

Why can't you see this?

When there is something I don't understand, I reserve judgement until I do.

Why can't truthers do this? Are you personally convinced that your common sense is enough, when there are zero examples of high rise buildings having big jets flown into them for you to build a basis for that common sense?

originally posted by: lambros56
So can you tell me what I saw that I refuse to accept ?

The collapse time.

Only through extreme mental gymnastics and an inflated self worth can you object to it.

originally posted by: lambros56


Something was used to help bring those towers down at that speed and turn nearly every inch of concrete to dust......powder.

Well, this didn't happen. So once you factor that in you'll be on your way to the truth.

originally posted by: Tedgoat
I'll post the link again along with others.

911hardfacts.com...

Except those links are full of the standard truther lies, and have been debunked here many times before,.... like

"Marvin P. Bush, the president's younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center,

That claim is not true....

www.911myths.com...

www.ae911truth.org...

Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and others have established that there were very high temperatures present in the building, not just enough to weaken steel, but to melt it. They found evidence for thermite in the rubble pile

There is zero evidence for thermite at the WTC...
www.911myths.com...

The world has woken up to the conspiracy, that the "conspiracy" is made up crap by truthers who mostly are in it for the oney they make from it.

originally posted by: lambros56

Why didn't the planes engines going into the Pentagon leave an impression on the exterior of the building. Yet a hollow plane flew straight through ?
I don't get that.

They went into the building. Remember now, you may have heard from activists that the entrance hole was a 20' circle, but that's a lie. Nor is it a part of the "OS".

So you're believing a strawman and using that to build your disbelief. Rise out of the garbage info that is typical truther fodder amd actually learn the true facts. Or at the very least, learn what the "OS" actually says for yourself.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA


Building codes where I am at pay no attention to NIST's cover-up story. .

News flash -

Canada makes their own codes.

Regarding Air Crash Investigations

Air-crash investigations in the United States are normally carried out by the NTSB's air accident investigation division, and there are several documentary television series featuring this government agency's painstaking approach when investigating the causes of air crashes. During many such investigations, serial numbers from recovered parts are cross checked with the airline-in-question's purchase and maintenance records, to try and identify the reason for an accident, when it is suspected that mechanical failure may have been the cause.

However the NTSB has confirmed that-apparently for the first time from its inception, in 1967, since when it has investigated more than 124,000 other aviation accidents-it took no part in investigating any of the air crashes which occurred on September 11, 2001. So the world has been asked to take it on faith and hearsay that the four planes involved were normal scheduled flights which were hijacked by Arab terrorists, some of whom, are, allegedly, still alive.

Strange eh! But then that is typical of the 9/11 Commission and Agencies involved. Proper investigations were not conducted. They don't want them conducted! So why not?

9/11 planes

By the way in the links I provided there are loads of experts involved but none of them have been approached for any Mainstream interviews or have been asked their expert opinions. That's because like I said they don't want a proper investigation. There are so many loopholes and inconsistencies with the Official Story its no wonder there are people speaking out against it.