Still Think the World is Waking up to the Conspiracy?

a reply to: Salander

What part of "they can assist in the investigation" did you miss. The lead is the FBI but the NTSB will assist with downloading recorders, analyzing radar data etc. They may file a report, but they didn't perform a formal investigation as with an accident.

I think too many people have a preconceived idea of how things work.
Too much CSI on TV.
The simple fact is that these were not accidents.
There were no flaws in the aircraft.

originally posted by: samkent
I think too many people have a preconceived idea of how things work.
Too much CSI on TV.
The simple fact is that these were not accidents.
There were no flaws in the aircraft.

That is no excuse to not collect evidence or destroy it in a lot of cases.

a reply to: Tedgoat

The FBI, spent several million man hours investigating the attack. Again, you reside in fantasy land.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Tedgoat

The FBI, spent several million man hours investigating the attack. Again, you reside in fantasy land.

Yeah I'm sure they did!

a reply to: Tedgoat

Ah yes....the whole FBI is in on it too....I should have know that is what you believe.

originally posted by: Tedgoat

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Tedgoat

The FBI, spent several million man hours investigating the attack. Again, you reside in fantasy land.

Yeah I'm sure they did!

Which would equal what? 4 days of investigation. The FBI has 35,000 employees.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Tedgoat

Ah yes....the whole FBI is in on it too....I should have know that is what you believe.

Well if the FBI were not in on it then why will they not release the CCTV footage for the Pentagon? They have all the tapes including the footage recorded across from the Pentagon in the Gas Station and various private business's and Hotels.

That would put us Truther's out of the Conspiracy. Wouldn't it?

You Official Story Activists would win the discussion if the Truth was released! Or you'd lose.

They have deemed the tapes Classified and there's no way in hell they'll release them!

I wonder why?

a reply to: Tedgoat

Wow....are you still living in 2004 or something? Every last video pertaining to the Pentagon was released long ago. Only conspiracy theorists still believe that a hotel across the highway from the Pentagon is going to have its security cameras pointed at anything other than the hotel.

But...here is the gas station video...and it shows.....the gas station.....

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: cardinalfan0596



You mean like this one? From the Hotel?

They released some tapes that were heavily doctored to show NOTHING!!

Basically they made sure you couldn't see the missile! You OS Activists just don't get it!

a reply to: Tedgoat

The only "missile" that day at the Pentagon, was American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757. The controllers on duty at the Tower at Reagan National watched it, hundreds of motorists and other civilians watched it, Pentagon staffers watched it, the radar tapes show it, the physical evidence shows it, the remains of the people recovered at the Pentagon known to have boarded Flight 77 at Dulles show it.....

Why are you so unwilling to accept reality?

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

That sir, is a grossly inaccurate statement.

For a building like the Pentagon, virtually bristling with video cameras, we get a few frames from a parking lot camera. That is laughable, but some folks see that as normal and adequate. It's a joke, 5 frames from a parking lot camera.

The reason the feds confiscated all the surrounding civilian video camera footage was to keep it secret and out of the public view. That, because the videos reveal that no Boeing 757 crossed the Pentagon lawn at low level. Maybe a fly by, but no 757 would show up crashing into the building.

And that same reason is why the Pentagon released no footage at all from its many cameras.

Whatever the parking lot frames show, it was NOT a 757. Does appear to be something flying through, but it's way too small to be a 757.

a reply to: Salander

No Sir, it is NOT a grossly inaccurate statement. Your belief that the Pentagon is "virtually bristling with video cameras" is. On that day, there were four, maybe five cameras that MIGHT have picked it up had their cameras been pointed in the right direction. NONE of them were video. They were still frame cameras, and the two cameras that showed anything, were released long ago. And what you think is way too small.....is PRECISELY what a 757 would look like at that distance and angle.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

No Sir, it is NOT a grossly inaccurate statement. Your belief that the Pentagon is "virtually bristling with video cameras" is. On that day, there were four, maybe five cameras that MIGHT have picked it up had their cameras been pointed in the right direction. NONE of them were video. They were still frame cameras, and the two cameras that showed anything, were released long ago. And what you think is way too small.....is PRECISELY what a 757 would look like at that distance and angle.

It's not about belief. It's about truth with evidence. And there is more evidence pointing to a False Flag and less evidence pointing to the Official Mantra!

This discussion has been conducted a year ago with Zaphod, Samkent and hellobruce saying more or less exactly the same thing as now. Even hellobruce's usual rant "Truthers making up silly stories" line is repeated by him a lot!

Hotel CCTV of Explosion at Pentagon and No Plane!

a reply to: Tedgoat

lol....you really are behind on your research. Again, long ago those videos were analyzed and that brief view of Flight 77's vertical stabilizer, is precisely the right size you would expect to see on that camera when you account for the airliner's speed, position and distance from the camera.

a reply to: Tedgoat

And there is more evidence pointing to a False Flag and less evidence pointing to the Official Mantra!

There is zero evidence for a false flag.
Only speculation by a handful of people on the internet.

originally posted by: Tedgoat
And there is more evidence pointing to a False Flag and less evidence pointing to the Official Mantra!

Yet you and other truthers are unable to show any evidence whatsoever pointing to a false flag, after 13 years you have nothing at all except silly made up claims to support your story.

You ignore the physical evidence, like 757 engines, undercarriage, seats and the DNA found at the Pentagon from flight 77 as it totally destroys your conspiracy theory.

a reply to: Salander

For a building like the Pentagon, virtually bristling with video cameras, we get a few frames from a parking lot camera. That is laughable, but some folks see that as normal and adequate. It's a joke, 5 frames from a parking lot camera.

Name one building where the security cameras are point towards the sky looking for planes.
Every security footage I've ever seen is from a high angle looking down. Isn't that the best way to see the comings and goings of people and traffic?
Plus back in the day only the real important cameras were recorded. It's wasn't like now where 8 video feeds goes to a hard drive for $100.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

No Sir, it is NOT a grossly inaccurate statement. Your belief that the Pentagon is "virtually bristling with video cameras" is. On that day, there were four, maybe five cameras that MIGHT have picked it up had their cameras been pointed in the right direction. NONE of them were video. They were still frame cameras, and the two cameras that showed anything, were released long ago. And what you think is way too small.....is PRECISELY what a 757 would look like at that distance and angle.

Not really. I served enough time in the US Army to understand the military mindset, and that is where I learned the acronym CYA. That's "Cover Your A--"

By not releasing all the photos and videos they have, the Pentagon is practicing CYA. If they have nothing to hide, as the late Bob Bowman asked, why are they hiding everything?

And several individuals have used the technique of orthographic projection, an old art from mechanical drawing, to show exactly what a 757 would have looked like from that parking lot camera. Because there are known distances and measurements involved, orthographic projection makes it quite simple for those practiced in the art.

And what it shows is that the object flying was much smaller, by a significant measure, than a 757 would have looked. We know the measurements of the 757, and we know the distance from the camera lens to the spot of supposed impact. Had it actually been a 757, the apparent size would have been huge, the airplane very apparent.

a reply to: Salander

And what it shows is that the object flying was much smaller, by a significant measure, than a 757 would have looked. We know the measurements of the 757, and we know the distance from the camera lens to the spot of supposed impact. Had it actually been a 757, the apparent size would have been huge, the airplane very apparent.

And a missile wouldn't have shown up at all in those frames.
A Tomahawk is only 20 inches in diameter.

By not releasing all the photos and videos they have, the Pentagon is practicing CYA.

You are assuming there is something to release.
If they have no additional photos you say they are hiding photos.
If they release 10 photos you say there are 100 more hidden photos.
There is nothing they could do on their end to satisfy a conspiracy minded person.