Still Think the World is Waking up to the Conspiracy?

a reply to: lambros56

Oh, so the towers were kevlar reinforced concrete now? I must have missed that.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: lambros56

And you know just how fast a building is going to collapse when several hundred tons drops on the remaining structure? You don't, you do not know how quickly the bolts and welds holding the trusses are going to snap when hit with that weight. You have absolutely NO physical evidence of any kind of demolition materials. None. And you cling to preconceived notions based on bad information.

I don't profess to know how fast a building is going to "collapse ".
If we are going with the theory that the floors above fell onto the floors below. There has to be a time for each floor to drop onto the next.
With all the rivets, bolts, welds etc snapping. How long would you say it would take one floor to hit the next and so on ?

Would one second sound right ?......I don't know because that would mean the building would reach the ground in around 108 seconds !
Half a second ?.....That`s just under a minute for all floors to reach the ground but it took around fifteen seconds ?

This is what I don't get.
Now I`d love an explanation...but I doubt you are going to offer one.

a reply to: lambros56

The explanation has been in front of you since that day. You saw it happen....you just refuse to accept it.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: lambros56

The explanation has been in front of you since that day. You saw it happen....you just refuse to accept it.

Where on that day was the explanation for those towers to come down so fast ?
So can you tell me what I saw that I refuse to accept ?

a reply to: lambros56

You refuse to accept that buildings can collapse from fire and severe damage. You actively search for other causes because you cannot begin to accept that we do not know everything about the physical world.

a reply to: Salander

Investigations take years to complete? Funny, in this case POTUS had it all figured out by 1700hours that day. He knew exactly who dunnit and why. To borrow from the CIA dude, it was a slam dunk. Everybody knew who did it, and the media was reciting the story repeatedly from the first hours.

That brings back memories of the "Harley Guy" on the street whom was quoted and re quoted so many times in a few hours it made me wonder who the guy was?

Some unnamed guy in a tee shirt dictated just how and why the towers collapsed that day and it still sticks in most peoples minds.
Operation successful .....repeat repeat repeat and watch the masses suck it up.

Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: lambros56

You refuse to accept that buildings can collapse from fire and severe damage. You actively search for other causes because you cannot begin to accept that we do not know everything about the physical world.

I refuse to accept the official theory that fire and severe damage brought down the buildings....alone.
You're correct. I DO go actively searching for other causes for that reason.
Isn't that what research is all about ?
I've been looking into 9/11 for over eight or nine years now. Not just because of how fast those buildings came down but for lots of other parts of the official theory that i don't agree with.

Like every other person that seeks the truth when they find a story unbelievable....I research. I can't sit back and just defend a group of people just because they are government.
I want the people who carried this atrocity brought to account .........and I don't think that's happened.

Something was used to help bring those towers down at that speed and turn nearly every inch of concrete to dust......powder.
Now wether that was Bombs, Thermite or Some type of DEW , I don't know but I am certain it wasn't fire or the damage that was caused to the buildings.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: lambros56

Oh, so the towers were kevlar reinforced concrete now? I must have missed that.

You know I didn't say that....I'll forgive the sarcasm....
Why didn't the planes engines going into the Pentagon leave an impression on the exterior of the building. Yet a hollow plane flew straight through ?
I don't get that.

originally posted by: AgentShillington
How do people that really don't care about 9/11 fit into all of this?

Like, we don't care who did it, and we just want all of the idiocy to stop.

Because that's me.

I'm not a 9/11 Truther,
I'm 9/11 Indifferent.

With all due respect.....
If you don't care and have no interest in 9/11 ....
Why do you come to these threads ?

a reply to: lambros56

Because jet engines are largely fan. The core is tiny. Like I said before, at the bottom of the fuselage is the keel beam. It's essentially an I beam laying on its side. Its the strongest part of the aircraft, and in this case acted like a battering ram.

The engines are close to the fuselage too. Any impact damage would have been near or in the collapsed area.

a reply to: lambros56

How can you possibly be "certain it wasnt fire or the damage that was caused to the building??"

a reply to: lambros56

Yes, you refuse to accept reality. We know this. You also think that all the concrete turned to dust when the fact is, ANY decent 9/11 researcher can find photos of chunks of concrete and statements from recovery workers about said concrete that was all over the debris zone. Congratulations, you have been looking into it for 8 or 9 years. You are 3 or 4 years short of the time I have been researching it. And to date, there is absolutely NO evidence of ANY "assistance" of ANY kind in the collapses that day...and it sure in the hell wasn't super duper hush a boom thermite or Judy Woods miracle weapons.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: lambros56

Because jet engines are largely fan. The core is tiny. Like I said before, at the bottom of the fuselage is the keel beam. It's essentially an I beam laying on its side. Its the strongest part of the aircraft, and in this case acted like a battering ram.

The engines are close to the fuselage too. Any impact damage would have been near or in the collapsed area.

Would you happen to have a link handy that shows the actual "Keel Beam" of the said aircraft?
It would be a nice addition to this thread.
Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: lambros56

You refuse to accept that buildings can collapse from fire and severe damage. You actively search for other causes because you cannot begin to accept that we do not know everything about the physical world.

Nobody believes that the planes brought down the towers. It is just something people say to belong to "in" club with other socialite types.

Building codes where I am at pay no attention to NIST's cover-up story. I just finished a job where the t-bar ceiling grid was the only passive fire separation between occupied floors.

Seems like the only ones that give a damn about the NIST report are those that use it as a manual to stifle conspiracy theories. Because NIST was a paper weight that only an idiot or a lobbyist would get behind, it has had no effect on the building industry. Developers are too smart and experienced at streamlining building requirements and they are not being regulated by NIST results in the slightest it seems.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Is Nobody the name of the mouse in your pocket?

As for building codes, yes, the building codes for WERE and ARE being upgraded.

architecture.about.com...

a reply to: Iwinder

Of a 757, not handy. I might be able to find one but it'll take a couple days.

This one is from an A320 to give an idea of what it looks like though.

www.premium-aerotec.com...

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Is Nobody the name of the mouse in your pocket?

As for building codes, yes, the building codes for WERE and ARE being upgraded.

architecture.about.com...

Nice magazine. I was speaking about reality.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

www.nfpa.org...
www.fastcodesign.com...
www.buildings.com...
www.ctbuh.org...
www.sciencedaily.com...

Face it, once again, you refuse to live in reality.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA

www.nfpa.org...
www.fastcodesign.com...
www.buildings.com...
www.ctbuh.org...
www.sciencedaily.com...

Face it, once again, you refuse to live in reality.

The reality is, that the "upgrades" have boiled down to a t-b ceiling being able to stop a combination of structural damage and sustained heat exposure from affecting the steel structures integrity.

It seems that developers have had enough of the charade.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Is Nobody the name of the mouse in your pocket?

As for building codes, yes, the building codes for WERE and ARE being upgraded.

architecture.about.com...

Nice magazine. I was speaking about reality.

Architects & Engineers decide what YOU do not the other way round!