Nurse Fired for Refusing Flu Shot Sues Hospital, Federal and State Governments for $100,000,000

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yes she can go home but she has a duty of care to protect others in her care.
She may have given it to someone coming in whom the flu could kill.
I work with people who are vulnerable to illnesses more than most and I would be mortified if my actions of not getting the flu shot killed one of my dudes.
Oh and some of my guys can't get the flu shot due to their conditions.

a reply to: boymonkey74


Tell me, what about her duty as a parent to her child knowing that despite the claims to the contrary there is evidence that certain flu shots to this day still contain ethyl-mercury and can cause very serious neurolocial disorders alongside many other health problems to babies?... You think she should dismiss that duty as a parent?

She didn't want to get the flu shot because she was pregnant.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Then don't work in care....simple.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They had to ask the person for their permission to have it removed from the report. Kindly, he obliged.

You actually believe that a database that lists "turns you into The Incredible Hulk" as a potential side effect can be taken at face value.

Hilarious! Please, keep the laughs coming. The delusion you consistently display has given me many chuckles.

Oh you!

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Then don't work in care....simple.

Oh right, so simple for you. It doesn't matter that she studied for who knows how many years to get her license as a nurse and she wasn't pregnant and probably wasn't aware at first about the possible problems that vaccines with certain adjuvants and compounds can cause to children.

information, and knowledge about things that were previously unknown can be learned in the future, and your solution is for that person to completly ignore all the years that it took that person to study for that particular career and to abandon it entirely.

To you it is obvious that it doesn't even matter that people who get flu shots most often get the flu and will still pass it to those they get in contact with...

a reply to: GetHyped

So tell me "Gethyped" do you not understand that MOST if not ALL REPORTS of adverse effects from vaccines go into the VAERS?... Do you not even understand that this means?...

Again "Gethyped" do you also advise for all phone calls that are made to the police to be ignored and dismissed because there are always some prank calls being done?... But yeah, please keep laughing...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You can bet it was in her contract she had to have the shot and she took the job.
It is in mine and if I refuse I get fired, I accept that.
She should have had a sabbatical if she wanted to not have the shot while pregnant.
And come back after the child was born.
So any info on the contract was it in?.
If so she aint got a leg to stand on.

a reply to: GetHyped

Heck, let's not stop with the prank call example to the police...

Should firefighters also ignore all calls done to them about fires because there are some prank calls done?...

Should all rape cases be ignored because there are some false reports of rape?...

Should all calls reporting seeing missing children be ignored because there are some reports which are false?...

Do tell me when your brain cells finally do fire up and you realize how stupid it is to ignore and dismiss all such reports just because some are false...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Then don't work in care....simple.

Oh right, so simple for you. It doesn't matter that she studied for who knows how many years to get her license as a nurse and she wasn't pregnant and probably wasn't aware at first about the possible problems that vaccines with certain adjuvants and compounds can cause to children.

She obviously wasn't well studied in her field if she believes vaccines are harmful.

information, and knowledge about things that were previously unknown can be learned in the future, and your solution is for that person to completly ignore all the years that it took that person to study for that particular career and to abandon it entirely.

Well shes gullible enough to believe pseudo-medicine science over real medicine science, so what study is she wasting here?

To you it is obvious that it doesn't even matter that people who get flu shots most often get the flu and will still pass it to those they get in contact with...

Got a source for that?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And as we know, one of those side effects is the incredible hulk. I'm sorry but your clasping at straws, while amusing, is quite sad really. Is this really the sort of desperate barrel scraping you anti-vaxxers resort to these days? I know you're getting hammered in the media right now but still...

You sound angry. Have you been vaccinated recently?

a reply to: boymonkey74


I see, so like so many other before you, you decided to ignore all the information provided in the first page.

For example.

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Dreonna Breton lost her job in December 2013 for refusing to receive the flu vaccine while she was pregnant, even though she had a doctor’s exemption.

It was only a matter of time before some of these nurses began taking legal action to protect their rights. Some litigation began last year, but details are not available publicly.

Dr. Karen Sullivan Sibert, herself a pro-vaccine doctor, wrote an opinion piece explaining how requiring nurses to wear masks for refusing the flu vaccination violates HIPPA law for patient privacy. (See: Pro Vaccine Doctor Explains how Mandatory Flu Vaccines for Healthcare Workers Violates HIPPA Law)

In addition to the violation of personal rights, the CDC published a study in 2013 showing that vaccination of healthcare workers with the seasonal flu vaccine offered no significant measurable protection of patients from the flu. (See: CDC Study: Mandatory Flu Vaccinations of Health Care Workers Offer NO Protection to Patients)

And as we have reported here at Health Impact News, the flu vaccine is not without risk. The government’s own data on settled cases due to vaccine injuries show that the flu vaccine causes more serious injuries, including death, than all other vaccines combined. (See: Flu Vaccine is the most Dangerous Vaccine in the U. S. based on Settled Cases for Injuries)

Now, the Law Offices of James Elsman has issued a press release stating that they have a client who is a nurse that has lost her job due to refusing the flu vaccination, and she has filed a class action suit for one hundred million dollars against the hospital that fired her, as well as the state and federal governments.

It should be noted that the new Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare) has mandated that healthcare facilities must have 90% of their employees vaccinated with the flu vaccine to receive full reimbursements of Medicare and Medicaid payments.

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healthimpactnews.com...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


She obviously wasn't well studied in her field if she believes vaccines are harmful.

Well shes gullible enough to believe pseudo-medicine science over real medicine science, so what study is she wasting here?

Got a source for that?

Oh wow, really, she "isn't well studied" and you make blatant claims showing who is obviously completely ignorant on the subject?...

Amazing. How about this, instead of having me re-post all the information already posted, how about you take the time to read the research posted throughout this thread?

As for whether or not there is a source for my statement, I have already posted it a few times.... This shows you did not even take the time to read the argument being presented and the evidence... Instead you made a false assumption based on your already preconceived ideas, when it is obvious you haven't even taken the time to actually read about this subject at all... Like some other people, you simply dismiss it out of hand...

Here are some studies from the U.S., and even from countries like Italy which shows that among the elderly increased flu vaccination is not showing a decline in hospitalization of elderly due to influenza, and it's not decreasing the mortality rate either due to influenza.

February 14, 2005, Vol 165, No. 3 >
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Original Investigation | February 14, 2005
Impact of Influenza Vaccination on Seasonal Mortality in the US Elderly Population FREE
Lone Simonsen, PhD; Thomas A. Reichert, MD, PhD; Cecile Viboud, PhD; William C. Blackwelder, PhD; Robert J. Taylor, PhD; Mark A. Miller, MD

[-] Author Affiliations

Author Affiliations: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) (Dr Simonsen) and Fogarty International Center (Drs Viboud and Miller), National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Md; and Entropy Research Institute, Boston, Mass (Dr Reichert).



Background Observational studies report that influenza vaccination reduces winter mortality risk from any cause by 50% among the elderly. Influenza vaccination coverage among elderly persons (≥65 years) in the United States increased from between 15% and 20% before 1980 to 65% in 2001. Unexpectedly, estimates of influenza-related mortality in this age group also increased during this period. We tried to reconcile these conflicting findings by adjusting excess mortality estimates for aging and increased circulation of influenza A(H3N2) viruses.

Methods We used a cyclical regression model to generate seasonal estimates of national influenza-related mortality (excess mortality) among the elderly in both pneumonia and influenza and all-cause deaths for the 33 seasons from 1968 to 2001. We stratified the data by 5-year age group and separated seasons dominated by A(H3N2) viruses from other seasons.

Results For people aged 65 to 74 years, excess mortality rates in A(H3N2)-dominated seasons fell between 1968 and the early 1980s but remained approximately constant thereafter. For persons 85 years or older, the mortality rate remained flat throughout. Excess mortality in A(H1N1) and B seasons did not change. All-cause excess mortality for persons 65 years or older never exceeded 10% of all winter deaths.

Conclusions We attribute the decline in influenza-related mortality among people aged 65 to 74 years in the decade after the 1968 pandemic to the acquisition of immunity to the emerging A(H3N2) virus. We could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage after 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. Because fewer than 10% of all winter deaths were attributable to influenza in any season, we conclude that observational studies substantially overestimate vaccination benefit.
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Here is a follow up commentary made by two of the doctors/authors of the above study.

Commentary: Benefits of influenza vaccine in US elderly—new studies raise questions

W Paul Glezen1,* and
Lone Simonsen2

- Author Affiliations

1Department of Molecular Virology and Microbiology, and Pediatrics, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX, USA
2Office of Global Research, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD, USA

*Corresponding author. MVM Department, Baylor College of Medicine, One Baylor Plaza, MS:BCM-280, Houston, TX 77030, USA. E-mail: [email protected]

During the period from 1989 to 1997 the vaccination rate for elderly persons ≥65 years of age in the US increased from 30 to 67%. Despite this increase in coverage, mortality and hospitalization rates continued to increase rather than decline as would be expected if the vaccine were optimally efficacious. Currently over 50 000 deaths result from influenza virus infections each year in the US.1 The rate of hospitalizations owing to complications of influenza has increased steadily since 1979 and the average number for the last decade is almost 400 000 per year.2 About 85% of deaths and 63% of hospitalizations attributable to influenza occur in persons ≥65 years of age. About two-thirds of the US elderly have been vaccinated each year since 1997. Despite substantial vaccine coverage in the most vulnerable group, no effect on national all-cause excess mortality or hospitalizations has been evident—even after taking population aging and changing virus dominance patterns into account.3 Furthermore, observational studies of large cohorts have reported that elderly persons who elect to take the influenza vaccine were less likely to die or to be hospitalized during the influenza season than were unvaccinated elderly.4 Protection rates were estimated at 47% for all wintertime deaths and 22–27% for hospitalization. The investigators noted that the elderly who chose to be vaccinated had more co-morbidities, like diabetes or cardiopulmonary diseases, listed on their administrative data files and were, therefore, considered to be at greater risk for complications of influenza than their unvaccinated …

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Below is a research abstract from Italy.

Influenza-related mortality in the Italian elderly: No decline associated with increasing vaccination coverage

Caterina Rizzoa, , ,
Cécile Viboudb,
Emanuele Montomolic,
Lone Simonsend,
Mark A. Millerb

a Department of Pharmaco-Biology, University of Bari, Italy
b Fogarty International Centre, NIH, Bethesda, MD, USA
c Department of Physiopathology Experimental Medicine and Public Health, University of Siena, Italy
d National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, NIH, Bethesda, MD, USA

Received 5 May 2006, Revised 19 June 2006, Accepted 20 June 2006, Available online 7 July 2006

Abstract

We investigated trends in influenza-related mortality among the elderly population in Italy associated with increased vaccination coverage. Using Italian vital statistics data, we studied monthly death rates for pneumonia and influenza and all-cause for persons ≥65 years of age by 5-year age groups for 1970–2001. Using a classic seasonal regression modelling approach, we estimated the age-specific seasonal excess mortality rates among Italian elderly as a measure of influenza-related deaths. We studied trends in excess mortality after adjusting for population aging and analyzing separately seasons dominated by the severe A/H3N2 subtype and those dominated by other circulating influenza subtypes. After the late 1980s, no decline in age-adjusted excess mortality was associated with increasing influenza vaccination distribution primarily targeted for the elderly. These findings suggest that either the vaccine failed to protect the elderly against mortality (possibly due to immune senescence), and/or the vaccination efforts did not adequately target the frailest elderly. As in the US, our study challenges current strategies to best protect the elderly against mortality, warranting the need for better controlled trials with alternative vaccination strategies.
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This is the problem. The influenza virus is constantly mutating, and the flu shot you get is against an older version of the virus which does not take into consideration the mutations the virus most probably has undergone.

There are many forms of influenza virus, not all influenza viruses share the same antigenetic properties. The flu in any given flu season is most probably a virus that because of the overall genetic changes it has undergone due to mutations, is antigenically different to that version of the virus of the vaccine you are getting. Hence the high probability of not being effective against the current flu of this season.

a reply to: GetHyped


Angry at what? lol... you making completely asinine claims, and posting a picture of the hulk as if that validates your argument?... Naa, it simply shows how immature you are. It doesn't show my mood at all...

Anyways...

UPDATE: Case Dismissed

nursesagainstmandatoryvaccines.wordpress.com

basically, in a nutshell, it says that they waited way too long, they quoted laws and regulations that don’t exist, and they failed to prove their cause.

First and foremost, as we have said from the beginning, Michigan has at-will employment. This means that your employer can terminate you, or you can terminate the relationship at any time and for any reason. Nurse Bashista has worked in the state long enough to know that, and I would be willing to bet that she signed a disclosure to that fact upon hire. Claiming that there was an implied contract is simply untrue.

We also found it curious that the CDC was ever even mentioned in this lawsuit. The CDC is not mandating vaccines. Individual employers, however, ARE. This dismissal came as no surprise.

So much for the $100,000,000 she thought she deserved...(LOL) If you are going to work in healthcare and have patient contact you are going to have required flu shots or wear a mask, that's just how it works in many places.

To make my case...

Flu Cases Down Slightly
By Brenda Goodman, MA
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Hansa D. Bhargava, MD

Jan. 16, 2015 -- New flu cases were down slightly across the U.S. last week, but it’s still too early to know if the season has peaked, according to the CDC.

We’re 8 weeks into a particularly nasty flu season. People over 65 have been hardest hit. Seniors are being hospitalized for the flu at nearly twice the rate they were last year. And so far, 45 children have died as of the week ending Jan. 10, according to the agency.

The main strain that’s making people sick is different from the strains included in this year’s vaccine. As a result, many people are getting sick, even if they got their shots as recommended.

Forty-six states reported widespread flu activity -- the same number as the week before. Three states – Alabama, Georgia, and Hawaii – reported significant levels, and Washington, D.C., and Alaska reported local flu activity.

Nineteen additional flu-related deaths of children were reported to the CDC last week. Deaths of children from the flu have ranged from 37 to 171 since 2004-2005, when they began to be reported, with the exception of the 2009-2010 H1NI flu pandemic.

The CDC doesn't track adult deaths from the flu, but the proportion of deaths attributed to both pneumonia and the flu rose sharply this week and remains above the “epidemic” level, the agency said.

This season’s batch of flu shots cuts the risk of needing medical treatment for flu symptoms by about 23% on average, the CDC said Jan. 15. Compared to past seasons, that’s on the low side. Since the CDC started measuring how well flu vaccines work in 2005, their effectiveness has ranged from 10% to 60%.

Experts say it’s still a good idea to get the flu shot, even though protection from the current vaccine is spotty.

“It’s always better to have some protection rather than no protection,” says Len Horovitz, MD, a lung specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. “Why would you opt for zero, even if the best you could do is 15% or 20%?”
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Humm...

originally posted by: Elton
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So much for the $100,000,000 she thought she deserved...(LOL) If you are going to work in healthcare and have patient contact you are going to have required flu shots or wear a mask, that's just how it works in many places.

First of all, it wasn't just for her. It was a class action lawsuit, meaning it was meant as a class action lawsuit in favor of many, many other nurses, and other regular people who had/have the same problem in the U.S.

i explained this. Here it is again.

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$100 million is prayed for, because the suit is a Class Action on behalf of all Americans in all States, concluded Elsman. “We will no longer take modern-medicine’s or the Government’s kool-aid. People deserve ‘informed consent’!”

- See more at: healthimpactnews.com...

Second of all, dismissal of a case doesn't mean the argument has no merit... Do you know how many class action cases have been dismissed in the past many times for years, or even decades later to be found to be real cases that deserved being accepted?

For example, cases in which chemical plants, or some other manufacturer company improperly disposed of chemicals that were later found to cause cancer?...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sure, but in an at-will state in an industry that explains the requirements I doubt the case will gain any traction.

originally posted by: Elton
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sure, but in an at-will state in an industry that explains the requirements I doubt the case will gain any traction.

To be clear, I am not an "anti-vaxxer" like some members, including PArdon, have tried to label me. I have explained that the problem is in some of the vaccines that use adjuvants such as aluminum and the 'multi-dose flu vaccines" which still contain ethyl-mercury. There are vaccines that use smaller doses, and even no doses of these compounds that can cause a multitude of health problems. People have to ask for those vaccinnes, and since the ingredients used by vaccine manufacturers can, and do change from batch to batch, you have to ask your doctor or pharmacist what ingredients are in that vaccine you are about to take. You can also ask for vaccines that do not contain these adjuvants, such as AI, or compounds like ethyl-mercury.

I also disagree with the claim made by Elsman, that we all are against modern-medicine. IMO modern medicine is still very relevant. However, in the case of the vaccines that use adjuvants and compounds like ethyl-mercury? It is obvious that the healthcare industry, alongside some governments are in favor of the vaccine manufacturers, despite the mounting evidence, and the thousands of doctors, and specialists who say that such adjuvants, and compounds such as ethyl-mercury are very detrimental to health.