George Osborne proposes two year benefits freeze

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

And it's not specifically unemployment benefit that is likely to be frozen... it's Child tax credit and other benefits.
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And isn't it also a fact that many, and even the majority of people who

actually work have had a wage freeze for the last three or

four years?

Absolutely!

We can expect to see an average wage increase over the next twelve months of around 2-3%, but that is still around 9-12% down over all given inflation and the fact that typically wages have been frozen for the last four years.

Peace,

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity



It never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot grasp the

basic principal that when the 'public purse' is empty, its empty and needs

to be replenished .... it doesn't simply 'magically' fill up.

More cant be taken out than is put in


Just the same as when my purse its empty, I just have to wait till

next pay day, or borrow, and if I do borrow I will need to cut back

because I will be starting the following week 'short'!!


Not before time in my opinion that the school curriculum is to include

budgeting and finance.

a reply to: eletheia

It never ceases to amaze me how some people cannot grasp the
basic principal that when the 'public purse' is empty, its empty and needs
to be replenished ....

Again, I think you may be missing the point here; even if we accept that the 'public purse is empty', that's not really the issue.

Why is the 'public purse' empty?

Because politicians / bankers / industrialists through their own incompetence, mismanagement and avarice wasted billions whilst at the same time ensuring that their slice of the cake was ring fenced and protected.

So the 'public purse' is empty....but MP's still get an 11% pay rise.
By and large bankers and industrialists are still getting their massive wages and bonuses.

Yet at the same time the most needy and vulnerable in our society are demonised and told to endure even more hardships for at least two more years.

You don't see the injustice in that?

Because at the end of the day, we're all in it together...... aren't we?

a reply to: eletheia
it never ceases to amaze me how numerous posters in here have shown other ways to save money,and also shown where vast amounts are being wasted,but you choose to ignore the facts and insist the pot is empty when in fact it is just being misused,and attacking the poor is not the way to make this country great,take us back to victorian britain with workhouses why dont you....

a reply to: crazyewok

Hey man,

That sucks. You make some good points as to where to money should come from. If most people in the country want it that way and pay into a system then they should get whats theirs anyways the way they want it.

Quick question:
Protection money to Brussels? What do you mean? Anyone?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

And it's not specifically unemployment benefit that is likely to be frozen... it's Child tax credit and other benefits.
.

And isn't it also a fact that many, and even the majority of people who

actually work have had a wage freeze for the last three or

four years?

You are aware, aren't you, that many of the people who 'actually work' are forced to claim working benefits to supplement poverty wages?

No extra pay to get them off benefits, and no increase in benefits to compensate poverty wages. Just work for nothing and die like the scum they are.

Try seeing with your soul and take away the money aspect of your resentment towards them, and you'll see they are human beings, like you, and they have done nothing wrong. Why hate people you've never met and never will, just because they have nothing? I don't get it. I don't want to get it.

originally posted by: Freeborn

Again, I think you may be missing the point here; even if we accept that the 'public purse is empty', that's not really the issue.
Why is the 'public purse' empty?

Miss management I would say. Then its the people who vote in the government

so they get the government they deserve. They vote for promises of utopia not

considering how it will all have to be paid for. Everything has a price.

Because politicians / bankers / industrialists through their own incompetence, mismanagement and avarice wasted billions whilst at the same time ensuring that their slice of the cake was ring fenced and protected.

When the first bank went under my opinion was it should have been

allowed to go under the money they got to keep them afloat should have

been divided % wise to the customer .... I lost what was a lot of money

to me in that fiasco!!

I bet the other banks would have then done whatever was required to keep

them afloat, including not paying any bonus's to ineffectual 'Bank Managers' .....

So the 'public purse' is empty....but MP's still get an 11% pay rise.
By and large bankers and industrialists are still getting their massive wages and bonuses.

Whilst I don't agree with the 'mega' salaries of bankers and industrialists

they are not paid out of the 'public purse'.


No I don't agree with MP's having any pay rises higher than the rate of inflation.

Although I believe (but don't know if its true) Politicians from other

countries are better paid. They need to stop whinging about not being paid

enough, after all they knew the salary when they took the job!!

It is also my opinion that MP's who fiddle expenses or break the law should

go to the public vote to stay or go!

originally posted by: doobydoll

You are aware, aren't you, that many of the people who 'actually work' are forced to claim working benefits to supplement poverty wages?

As I have already said in another thread >>>>


The "prudent" Gordon Brown (his favourite description of himself)

labours Chancellor for 13 years, at every budget increased 'the working

family tax credit'. This only increased the dependence of the low paid

to benefits ....


NOW if he had only raised the minimum working wage, there

would be no need of supplementing low wages.

originally posted by: Freeborn
Because politicians / bankers / industrialists through their own incompetence, mismanagement and avarice wasted billions whilst at the same time ensuring that their slice of the cake was ring fenced and protected.

That's the problem. Incompetence and mismanagement- coupled with political fool hardiness - has meant that parts of the public sector have mushroomed out of control. Credit to the Tory's for having the balls to reverse the out-of-control spending.

11% on MPs grain on the beach of public spending. A red herring.

Regards