George Osborne proposes two year benefits freeze

a reply to: crazyewok

Not "defending" it, just reading it for what it was meant to be. The same goes for the BS people have been saying about Cameron's speech to the UN - taking quotes out of context and giving them a good twist to fit into whatever bizarre theory you can think of.

I am willing to bet you £1000 that, if the Tories win the next election and pass every piece of legislation they proposed (and that won't happen as they'll have to compromise anyway), that come 2020 we will not see one iota of what you're proposing will happen.

Care to take me on that bet?

originally posted by: crazyewok
Sorry but im not going to live my life in fear on a 1 in a 100,000 chance of dieing in a terrorist attack, and certainly not willing to hand over a millimeter of freedoms to the goverment.

And what "freedoms" are you thinking you will lose?

And who is living in fear? Certainly not I nor a good many of our countryfolk. But it is the Government's job to protect the people/nation so are you advocating they do nothing to mitigate the threat?

I note that you have neglected to comment on my post above about the threat from IS if left unchecked, nor my reply to you about Norway or Iceland that you brought up. It seems you have an idealised world view that is totally at odds with the real world.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Good on Osborne. Too many idle people in the UK sitting on their arses. Why let folk have no encoragement to go and work for a living instead of sitting on their fat asses watching Jeremy Kyle. Hats off to him, must be feeling the heat from Farage

a reply to: crazyewok

Im working 2 part time jobs, with a volunteer job inbetween. Its not about people like me being "lazy", as the tory war machine would have you believe (which is working, by the looks of it). Am a little sad that some people wholeheartedly approve of what this current regime is doing to this country. Divide and conquer, and its working. I for one, do not want to pay huge insurance premiums for basi health care. They will sell off and privatise the NHS so peple like me cant afford basic healthcare. Also, how about creating jobs, which, they said they would do? Instead, they gave take breaks to huge corporations. Incidently, all my bills have increased, whilst my wage has actually stayed the same. How about a living wage, instead of basic wage? I like my son to be fed, educated and warm when he stays with me. Energy companies which have increased bills by 1/3 since tories got into power, with no sign of letup. So please, keep your rose tinted glasses on (or the extreme amount of money in your bank) whichever it is that makes you support this right wing government that wants to divide and conquer the british public. With how you talk, they have already won

a reply to: Korg Trinity

As a British subject with 40 years life experience I know far more than you clearly understand

You can't equate 'life experience' to intelligence Korg. In my thirty years I've met people half my age who are smarter than myself, and I've met people twice my age who are hopeless.

And after 40 years on this planet you should have a grasp of how things really are. Instead you insist that some people should pay the price so that you and yours can be protected from a threat that may not even be a threat to you.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Korg Trinity

As a British subject with 40 years life experience I know far more than you clearly understand

You can't equate 'life experience' to intelligence Korg. In my thirty years I've met people half my age who are smarter than myself, and I've met people twice my age who are hopeless.

And after 40 years on this planet you should have a grasp of how things really are. Instead you insist that some people should pay the price so that you and yours can be protected from a threat that may not even be a threat to you.

I don't suggest anything of the sort.

What I am suggesting is that we walk that little bit further and build a house of bricks as opposed to house of sticks that would get blown down the moment there was wolf at our doors!

The cost should be beared by all... however... if you contribute to the economy your share should be less than those who subtract from it.

And yes age does not equate to intelligence.... it does however lead to wisdom through experience. With ones intelligence you may be able to reckon something out... but with experience you would know the truth based upon what has happened previously.

Korg.

Tax the upper-class privileged twat. How can someone who was born rich make decisions about the poorest?

Let's have another war. The tax-payers can pay for the weapons and the toffs like this asshat will make money from their shares in the arms companies.

The man is evil.

originally posted by: ScreenBogey
Tax the upper-class privileged twat. How can someone who was born rich make decisions about the poorest?

Let's have another war. The tax-payers can pay for the weapons and the toffs like this asshat will make money from their shares in the arms companies.

The man is evil.

Tax heavy the people who create jobs and hamper the businesses then... is that your plan?

I wonder what you will be saying when the company has to let you go because their bottom line is not so healthy!

Korg.

DP

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: liverlad
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah and that tax will really be reinvested to make sure your child has a better life! Get real, under this government that tax will be reinvested into expenses and bonuses for the rich dickheads who run this country.

They get big houses, 5 star holidays and heck even their toilet roll all paid for by the taxpayer, and that's not even counting the annual wage that is also paid by the taxpayer.

But go ahead, blame the poor.

I think you have the current Government confused with the previous Government..

It was The Conservative party and George Osborn that managed to get us out of the pit that was left by Labour!

It never ceases to amaze me how short peoples memories really are... or perhaps they are blind or too stupid to see what is right in front of their faces!

Korg.

The 'blame game' eh?

I think you should take a look at this . ..
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...

Below are the three deficit claims - the mess. The evidence comes from the IMF, OECD, OBR, HM Treasury, ONS and even George Osborne. The claims put into context are:

CLAIM 1
The last government left the biggest debt in the developed world.

After continuously stating the UK had the biggest debt in the world George Osborne admits to the Treasury Select Committee that he did not know the UK had the lowest debt in the G7? Watch: Also, confirmed by the OECD Those who use cash terms (instead of percentages) do so to scare, mislead and give half the story.

Its common sense, in cash terms a millionaire's debt would be greater than most people. Therefore, the UK would have a higher debt and deficit than most countries because, we are the sixth largest economy. Hence, its laughable to compare UK's debt and deficit with Tuvalu's who only have a GDP/Income of £24 million whilst, the UK's income is £1.7 Trillion.

Finally, Labour in 1997 inherited a debt of 42% of GDP. By the start of the global banking crises 2008 the debt had fallen to 35% - a near 22% reduction page 6 ONS Surprisingly, a debt of 42% was not seen as a major problem and yet at 35% the sky was falling down?

I don't want to quote the entire blog, but basically you are believing the tories' usual 'sleight-of-hand' talk. Have a read, it's quite interesting, an unimpressed Tory wrote it a while back.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

I admit I was at fault.

However The 'cost that should be bared by all' does not mean all should share the burden of this war-including yourself. If you want your taxpayer money to fund these airstrikes then that's your choice-but don't complain when your local roads are littered with potholes and your local hospital is understaffed.

And as for the war itself...the fawn doesn't graze where the tiger prowls.

a reply to: doobydoll


Well this one is straight from the horses mouth so hence the lack of spin


In 2010 when the new conservative government took over Ex Treasury

Sectary, Liam Burns left a note for his successor saying *I'm afraid to

tell you there's NO money left ....

Some what indicative of the state of the economy wouldn't you say?

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Korg Trinity

I admit I was at fault.

However The 'cost that should be bared by all' does not mean all should share the burden of this war-including yourself. If you want your taxpayer money to fund these airstrikes then that's your choice-but don't complain when your local roads are littered with potholes and your local hospital is understaffed.

And as for the war itself...the fawn doesn't graze where the tiger prowls.

I contribute, as should we all!

But I contribute for the good of the country and for the safety of my children!

I highly suspect you feel you have nothing to protect because you are moaning about a cut in benefit.... perhaps if you actually got off your backside and built a life for yourself you might feel differently!?!

I think we should make it compulsory for all teenagers to visit third world countries, and live there for a month. Then perhaps they would come back and appreciate how good we have it here!

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity i disagree with your support for rich toffs that want to freeze 35 pound a week for two years,,thats what my friend gets on the dole 70 pound a fortnight ,how is this living the high life.
and in two years time how much will that be worth.do you understand english 35 pound a week and you except that!.
rational thinking and logic should be used at all times and this is none of the afore,i sir highly suspect you are slightly arrogant.

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: Korg Trinity i disagree with your support for rich toffs that want to freeze 35 pound a week for two years,,thats what my friend gets on the dole 70 pound a fortnight ,how is this living the high life.
and in two years time how much will that be worth.do you understand english 35 pound a week and you except that!.
rational thinking and logic should be used at all times and this is none of the afore,i sir highly suspect you are slightly arrogant.

I didn't say it was living the high-life did I!!

And it's not specifically unemployment benefit that is likely to be frozen... it's Child tax credit and other benefits.

And if you can't afford to live on unemployment benefit....... perhaps you should go get a job?

Korg.

a reply to: Korg Trinity your statements are still suspect ,,as i can assure you he has been looking for jobs ,but most jobs have so many applicants thats its an odds game now,,
so why do you keep making these statements of complete nonsense,,you obviously dont have a clue about the suffering in this country or just want to deny it,,maybe it is time to admit you are wrong,and everyone in this thread can see your clearly on osbourne's side ..

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: Korg Trinity your statements are still suspect ,,as i can assure you he has been looking for jobs ,but most jobs have so many applicants thats its an odds game now,,
so why do you keep making these statements of complete nonsense,,you obviously dont have a clue about the suffering in this country or just want to deny it,,maybe it is time to admit you are wrong,and everyone in this thread can see your clearly on osbourne's side ..

I accept that there are a lot of applicants for the choice jobs out there....

Perhaps your friend should lower his expectation in the short term, and look for the job of preference after securing a way to pay his own way in life!

Yes I am absolutely with George on his sterling handling of our economy. Given the state he inherited it in, I think there are few people who could have shored up the finances and brought us back on top again.

George Osborn should be commended for doing what was necessary, doing the right thing as opposed to doing the popular thing just to get votes.

I'd also like to know what my statements are suspect of???

Korg.

george osbourne is out of touch with what the ordinary person goes through,he lives in a shielded reality ,far above the common man ,,and as he is clearly following his own choice of career path ,then that rule should apply for all.
that is if we live in a true democratic and fair society..


and to answer your question as to what i find suspect "your love of osbourne the impaler" lololol

originally posted by: stuthealien
george osbourne is out of touch with what the ordinary person goes through,he lives in a shielded reality ,far above the common man ,,and as he is clearly following his own choice of career path ,then that rule should apply for all.
that is if we live in a true democratic and fair society..


and to answer your question as to what i find suspect "your love of osbourne the impaler" lololol

I think it is entirely the other way around....

It is the people with your view that are out of touch with the bigger picture. If you could only realize that short term pains lead to long term gains...

The current economic policies are designed to help us ALL down the road... so that those less fortunate can indeed further themselves... if they choose to!

Korg.

what gains are this you speak of,, oh you mean the two brand new aircraft carriers,,or sending young men to war while he sits here all nice and safe
what about this 2.5 billion on f-35 strike aircraft link.
oh how much is he paying these men to risk there life's while he sits here drinking moet.

i can not live on 35 pound a week sir,i eat that in food alone ,so how could i expect other human beings to.
i bet osbourne the impaler spends this on a single course judging by where this man dines link

do you not expect these people on 35 pound a week to shower ,water is not paid for in benefits
or to buy deodorant,or toothpaste
do you expect these people to go cold, gas is not paid for by benefits

i have lots more ,but i suspect you do not care

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

And it's not specifically unemployment benefit that is likely to be frozen... it's Child tax credit and other benefits.
.

And isn't it also a fact that many, and even the majority of people who

actually work have had a wage freeze for the last three or

four years?