George Osborne proposes two year benefits freeze

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: Korg Trinity

You're wrong in so may way's it hurts my eye's when reading you're comment.

Let me guess you are a socialist right?

So you think we should increase benefit spending and not fight off terrorist threats then?

Korg.

You have no idea what you are yikking about, have no idea whats required for the country or its people ....lay off the government cool aid and bull#.....
Obviously you have an inheritance coming.....so ill wait till you finally collect......let me know how that works out......

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah and that tax will really be reinvested to make sure your child has a better life! Get real, under this government that tax will be reinvested into expenses and bonuses for the rich dickheads who run this country.

They get big houses, 5 star holidays and heck even their toilet roll all paid for by the taxpayer, and that's not even counting the annual wage that is also paid by the taxpayer.

But go ahead, blame the poor.

originally posted by: liverlad
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Yeah and that tax will really be reinvested to make sure your child has a better life! Get real, under this government that tax will be reinvested into expenses and bonuses for the rich dickheads who run this country.

They get big houses, 5 star holidays and heck even their toilet roll all paid for by the taxpayer, and that's not even counting the annual wage that is also paid by the taxpayer.

But go ahead, blame the poor.

I think you have the current Government confused with the previous Government..

It was The Conservative party and George Osborn that managed to get us out of the pit that was left by Labour!

It never ceases to amaze me how short peoples memories really are... or perhaps they are blind or too stupid to see what is right in front of their faces!

Korg.

a reply to: southbeach

How right you are sir.

Where are the good men that fail to act for are country.

Punishing people on benefits is a easy cop out, and a distraction from the real issues.

It was The Conservative party and George Osborn that managed to get us out of the pit that was left by Labour!

How's that then, By selling us down the river. And giving big corporation tax breaks, selling off what ever they can so other parties don't sell before them.

All just a game for the Bullingdon boy's

originally posted by: crazyewok

Not everyone has the ability to run a business.

Plus you need money to start a business! People who have just had there benefits slashed not not going to have the money to start a business.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying Ewok, but not that bit.

I was on benefits for nearly 2 years, and not through lack of trying could I not find work. I went on job placement after job placement (unpaid, courtesy of the jobcentre), and there was nothing in my field of expertise, or at least not taking on.

So, I said bollocks and with my next £145 fortnightly giro I set up my own business, that was 2 years ago, and now I am finally seeing some decent rewards from my hard work.

You don't need money, you just need the drive to make something of your life.

From benefits and nothing to a well respected IT support company in the local area in just 2 years? If I can do it...

a reply to: woogleuk

Not everrone has IT skills to set up a IT business.

I dont. My skill set is in the Sciences. To set my business up I had to save and scrounge £10k. Took me ages.

Friends who have set there business up with there relevant skills have had the same problem.

It depends on one ones skills set.

Sure if you lucky like you you can do it on the cheap.

But not everyone has that luxury.

It takes time and support with a lot of people. If my disability Benefits had been slashed after 6 months there is no way I would have been able to scrounge enough to start a business up round my health.

George Osborne has a interesting dilemma. To generalise the situation...

On the one hand you have a level of immigration where jobs are being filled, thus showing that there is employment if you look. This is coupled with an improved economic outlook with good employment prospects.

On the other hand there is a hard core of people who are comfortable and dependent on welfare. These people are parasitic and need to be tackled.

Obviously, people who are genuinely able and looking for work will also be affected, but I imagine that these people are only in need of short-term help.

Osborne is targeting the benefit culture. We all know who they are and we all know it exists.

Note also that Osborne is exempting pensions, disability and other benefits directed towards people who cannot change their status.

Regards

Oh I have a good memory wasnt it a little tory lady who privatised everything and closed all the coal mines etc. Isnt she the same lady who let people buy their own council houses but didnt think to build something to replace that stock hence why privatr landlords can now charge such high rents which are usually paid by housing benefit. She aso helped to create north south divide and is the reason why young people in the north dont stand a chance now as all trade work has dried up. People do remember politicians are very good at blaming the ones before. Where labour went wrong was letting too many people in but tories have done no better. This country would save a small fortune if it followed Jersey. To get social housing, good jobs or any equal rights you have to live thre and contribute for 15 years. They do it to protect their island and way of life and that is what the UK eply to: [pthe UK need to do. Until someone has worked and paid in to system social housing, benefits should ve off limits.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Please enligten me. What will you recommend be done to encourage people to invest in the northern jobs?

a reply to: crazyewok

Infrastructure, Education, business grants would be a start.

That particular bailout is reserved for Bankers and Banks only, everyone else can go sing.

originally posted by: paraphi
George Osborne has a interesting dilemma. To generalise the situation...

On the one hand you have a level of immigration where jobs are being filled, thus showing that there is employment if you look. This is coupled with an improved economic outlook with good employment prospects.

On the other hand there is a hard core of people who are comfortable and dependent on welfare. These people are parasitic and need to be tackled.

Obviously, people who are genuinely able and looking for work will also be affected, but I imagine that these people are only in need of short-term help.

Osborne is targeting the benefit culture. We all know who they are and we all know it exists.

Note also that Osborne is exempting pensions, disability and other benefits directed towards people who cannot change their status.

Regards

There are far better ways to tackle the welfare culture that wont hurt those that are in need.

secondly its the principle.

There are far better and effective ways to save money. So why target the poor first? It like squeezing blood from a stone and makes a mockery of the "in it together". Especially disgusting seeing as MP face a huge wage increase (MP are the biggest parasites of all!)

Tackling the welfare culture should not be about saving money. It should be about moral and social improvement, draconian cuts are not the most effective way to do this.

If they want to save money they should look to other areas, like the billion wasted going to Brussels or the ridiculous foreign aid that goes to corrupt reguime and pays for things like luxuroy hotels.

a reply to: crazyewok

Most needy?

I agree when you mention about the ridiculous MP payrises and partly with the bombs and definitely with foreign aid. However, let's play ignorant and act like Britain doesn't have a parasitic benefits culture.

The welfare system is great and necessary for those truly in need but we have far too many scroungers and they are to blame for the necessary cuts that will affect those that do need it.

originally posted by: george_gaz


The welfare system is great and necessary for those truly in need but we have far too many scroungers and they are to blame for the necessary cuts that will affect those that do need it.

As I said before I recognise that and think there are better ways to deal with such.

sorting the welfare culture should be more than about just saving money. sorting this issue by just cuts is the lazy way and likely most ineffective.

First thing Id do is shake up the Job Centre staff. right now you have to show some half arsed attempts to find work and they they happily sign you off for another 2 weeks. Id stick a flaming rod up there arse and make the sign off evidence a lot tougher.

a reply to: crazyewok

He's a Tory what do you expect ? , not only is he a Tory he's also another Bullingdon Club member , no idea about anything in the real world it's all champers and smashing up restaurants don't ya know .


Duncan Smith's another brain dead Muppet .... I mean no offense to Muppets of course

a reply to: george_gaz

The welfare system is great and necessary for those truly in need but we have far too many scroungers and they are to blame for the necessary cuts that will affect those that do need it

47% of the welfare budget is spent on pensions with an extra £2.2 billion spent on Winter Fuel Payments , factor in wastage and working family benefits and the jobless take a small part of the welfare budget , what the Tories are doing is mostly for ideological reasons and that they hate the poor.

a reply to: gortex

In February 2013, the Daily Mirror reported that an initiation for a new member to the Club involved burning a £50 note in front of a beggar.

That club represents all that is despicable in the UK.

War in the middle east, " wise nations fight on others soil" kill them over there, not on the streets of British cities, or American cities.

a reply to: crazyewok

That club represents all that is despicable in the UK.

Indeed they do , here's Cameron and Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in their Bullingdon Club family photo.

Toffs

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: crazyewok

That club represents all that is despicable in the UK.

Indeed they do , here's Cameron and Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in their Bullingdon Club family photo.

Toffs

Clegg Bottom left??

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Clegg Bottom left??

No mate Clegg comes from more humble stock , well to them at least , you need super rich parents to get membership of the Bullingdon Club.

a reply to: gortex

If you have to ask how rich and how influential you have to be to get in then you qualify


One day a beggar being tormented by them will knife one knowing he be treated like a king in Prison by fellow inmates and even guards

I knew a prison guard who said if someone was jailed for assault on a MP they would give them the best cell, best food and extra privileges in prison