George Osborne proposes two year benefits freeze

originally posted by: RayVon

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: RayVon

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: Korg Trinity

You're wrong in so may way's it hurts my eye's when reading you're comment.

Let me guess you are a socialist right?

So you think we should increase benefit spending and not fight off terrorist threats then?

Korg.

korg. slow down .

No, Am not a sociaist.

So you think we should increase benefit spending and not fight off terrorist threats then?

No,

Am still getting my head round the

You people should stop thinking about yourselves and start to think about the future!

Comment.

HOW?

WHAT?


Arrr right you're trolling are #'s....

...Got it!

Not at all.... exactly what is so hard to understand about "You people should stop thinking about yourselves and start to think about the future!"

Everybody wants it now don't they?

you can't see the logic of a concerted and coherent move to better life in the future, as opposed to blow it all now and feck the future?

an example is Family.... now I am more than sure that you love your family... (not 100% sure but damn close), now is it not true to say that your children may have children of their own and those children have children etc?? So when they look back at you what would you like them to think??

1. He did nothing but squander his life away and did nothing for us other than procreate to give us life.

or

2. He gave us life and worked hard to invest in our family, without him our family would not now be privileged enough to do the things we can do.

You have to love your future relatives even if they do not exist yet.. no??

Then what about your fellow man and Mankind in general?

Should we just waste our opportunities to make life in the future better to obtain a slightly easier life now??

This is what that comment meant, in spirit!

Korg.

Korg man!! how can people think of the future when the present is so # up. Times are hard and you clearly have no idea about benefits in the uk.

As a British subject with 40 years life experience I know far more than you clearly understand,

Korg.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Me? Why? It's all on circumstances. It's nothing personal, I'm doing fine anyway, in the north, in industry. I'm staying here as I don't rely on an impossible location. Some areas have let's be honest had it. Shipyards, steel and coal have had their time. The Japanese now have Poland and Ukraine to locate their manufacturing aircraft carrier, if it aint working out I'm sorry, just don't rely on my taxes to fund your lay about lifestyle. Get on your bike to quote a legend

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
I do think that some should be encouraged to emigrate. Why fill pointless northern cities with people on benefits. It just doesn't make sense. The jobs have gone..... Time to move on

a reply to: crazyewok

Well you can clear off and move then?

If you want to force people out then you can go first.

Im sorry but telling British Citizens to piss off and move is wrong.

As I have already stated I know Shipyards, steel and coal have had there day.


But Westminster should be trying to encourage alternative jobs. All they are doing is growing London. They should be encouraging growth up North too.


Im doing well too and live in the south. But im not a heartless prick and think more should be down to create new jobs.

Ive sat on both sides of fence with benefits debate. Worked 26 years, had child 40, relationship broe down and mum diagnosed with dementia s sole carer for her. The latestvis they are going to cap benefits at £23,000. I get about half this amount when rent paid etc. I doubt there are many on anywhere nearcthis amount. There are lots of people shout about benefits and yet many working people receive benefits too. Take someone earning£23,000 with children they will pay around £400 a month tax but will get £80 family allowance, child care allowance, maybe working tax credit. I could go to work for 16 hrs a week my income would be so low I wouldnt pay tax, my income support would be swapped for working tax credits, I would still get my rent paid and someone else would get paid to bring my child up, plus someone would get a wage to care for my mum. So I wouldnt contribute anything but I would be off unemployment figures.

It is all false economics and people believe the hype. They dont however get annoyed at the people who housing benefit is paid too, private landlords who charge extorniate rents and get their mortgages paid plus some. They cheer facts like the schoolvuniform grant of £25 per year being scrapped cos of austerity but then 2 years on every infant child gets free school meal costing £400 a year regardless of whether millionaire, or winter fuel payments of £300 being paid to people like Peter Stringfellow. Its all false economy WAKE UP stop believing the poorestcare to blame

a reply to: Korg Trinity

where now?

married , 3 kids , steady job in the green industry its been a slog but all worth it

used the benefits system when very young ( not for 20 years) and it was invaluable at the time,


i left home voluntarily, and that is legal

Leaving home voluntarily

In most circumstances you can leave home without the consent of your parents or anyone with parental responsibility when you are 16. A parent or person with parental responsibility could go to court to try and force you to return home. However, it is unlikely that any court would order you to return home if you did not want to.

If i was Forced out of home, care may have been considered if i was thought to be in danger.... and we all know what Care in this country does to people.

it was not all my choice though , a real gap exists in our benefits system between 16-18, nothing was available so the cave was the best option (but again this is another argument)

well funded it is , and it should be , but again the changes proposed will hit fractional amounts within the big picture and is just another vote grabbing ploy as the tories attempt to secure the baby boomer generations vote as they are the only ones with any money left.

Q

George Osborne wants to cut the deficit by claiming if Tories win the next election, God forbid, his party will freeze benefits...

The welfare freeze would include Jobseeker's Allowance, Income Support, Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit, Child Benefit and Employment Support Allowance, paid to those judged capable of work.

So pretty much all those in need...
Mainly young working Mothers...
All to save £3billion...

Well how about stopping the Nearly £12Billion in "Aid" to First World State Of Israel???


Of course the Conservatives are staunch Zionist Boot-Lickers Of The Highest Order!!!

Each year the UK gives over £6billion to Israel and a similar amount in arms. This is more than the combined amount of aid given to any other country.

Should we be surprised???

Labour said Mr Osborne was standing up "for the very wealthiest few".

No not really...that's exactly what we expect from Tory scum...
I'm usually Non-Partisan in threads...
But this is just what the spin doctor ordered...

I'll be voting Labour...
At least Ed Miliband had the balls to condemn Israel whilst David Cameron towed the line and followed the Israeli narrative!!!

originally posted by: crazyewok

Im sorry but telling British Citizens to piss off and move is wrong.

If I lived in a place with no work... I'd commute or move!

Korg.

What many people don't realise is that it will be the benefits of hard-working people that get cut. People who devote 40 hours of their week and still can't afford a place to live. These are the people that make the country tick and they always seem to be the people that get hit the hardest by these so called 'difficult decisions'.

I'd love to be able to walk let alone work. I never wanted to be on benefits. I never wanted a terminal brain tumour or the recent stroke I had which has left me paralysed on my left hand side. My benefits are paying to readjust my home so my lazy arse can sit on the commode. This wasn't the life I planned. It's led me to the brink of ending it all. I'm not lazy, I've spent the last 4 months doing rehab every day.,just so I could use a zimmer frame to get around. I still work my arse off everyday in the hope I could walk again, at least with a stick if I'm lucky. There's no Jeremy Kyle watching going on here. The chance of ever having a family, seems to become a further reality in my life. Not many girls go for young men on zimmer frames. Don't you think I'd give up the meagre benefits just to be able to walk again.i live with the constant fear of my brain tumour returning.do you not think I'd give it all up in flash, to live a normal life. At least I won't be asking the government for handouts for any children I won't be having.

Maybe some should be thankful for what they have, before wanting to take the very little from the most vulnerable.
Sorry a bit irate. 4 months in a neuro rehab ward takes its toll

what about we all chuck a pound in and take a contract out on him,must be the cheapest option
to get this scum who parades around lording over the peasants.....dam am i still in the middle ages,,omg,,temporal timeshift,,,,,

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: crazyewok

Im sorry but telling British Citizens to piss off and move is wrong.

If I lived in a place with no work... I'd commute or move!

Korg.

There moving to another area in the UK which I support.

And telling British born citizens to piss off to another country which the person I replied to wanted.

originally posted by: stuthealien
what about we all chuck a pound in and take a contract out on him,must be the cheapest option

Maybe start a kick starter campaign

Please enligten me. What will you recommend be done to encourage people to invest in the northern jobs?

a reply to: crazyewok

a reply to: crazyewok

I was watching the news during my lunch break, and saw the streak of trouser venom prattling his foul, anti working class rhetoric, and I thought to myself "Now, THERE is a man who needs to learn the meaning of humility."! I am thinking that a breeze block over the back of the head would do him the world of favours.

The jobs are gone

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: crazyewok

Im sorry but telling British Citizens to piss off and move is wrong.

If I lived in a place with no work... I'd commute or move!

Korg.

There moving to another area in the UK which I support.

And telling British born citizens to piss off to another country which the person I replied to wanted.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Please enligten me. What will you recommend be done to encourage people to invest in the northern jobs?

a reply to: crazyewok

Infrastructure, Education, business grants would be a start.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: crazyewok

Im sorry but telling British Citizens to piss off and move is wrong.

If I lived in a place with no work... I'd commute or move!

Korg.

There moving to another area in the UK which I support.

And telling British born citizens to piss off to another country which the person I replied to wanted.

If a foreigner told me to piss off to another country, I'd make sure he was sorry....

Korg.

Good ideas, all needed for sure. Hopefully whoever takes power will do something, whole areas of the north have become wastelands.

a reply to: crazyewok

originally posted by: Quantum_Squirrel
a reply to: Korg Trinity

where now?

married , 3 kids , steady job in the green industry its been a slog but all worth it

used the benefits system when very young ( not for 20 years) and it was invaluable at the time,


i left home voluntarily, and that is legal

Leaving home voluntarily

In most circumstances you can leave home without the consent of your parents or anyone with parental responsibility when you are 16. A parent or person with parental responsibility could go to court to try and force you to return home. However, it is unlikely that any court would order you to return home if you did not want to.

If i was Forced out of home, care may have been considered if i was thought to be in danger.... and we all know what Care in this country does to people.

it was not all my choice though , a real gap exists in our benefits system between 16-18, nothing was available so the cave was the best option (but again this is another argument)

well funded it is , and it should be , but again the changes proposed will hit fractional amounts within the big picture and is just another vote grabbing ploy as the tories attempt to secure the baby boomer generations vote as they are the only ones with any money left.

Q

That's fantastic to hear, Genuine congratulations!

I think this also highlights my point about how one should think of the future even if it means being uncomfortable in the moment, along with how lucky we are in this country to have the scaffold and support infrastructures to be able to build a life for ourselves.



Korg.

This has nothing to do with saving money nor paying down the deficit, its all about giving tax breaks to the wealthy. So welfare for the wealthy is acceptable but benefits for the poorest is not?

These types of issues will lead to a global revolt against capitalism

From the op link:

Mr Leslie said: "He is choosing to give the richest one per cent a £3bn-a-year tax cut and opposing a mansion tax while cutting tax credits which make work pay for millions of striving families.

"While working people have seen their wages fall by £1,600 a year since 2010, the Tories have once again shown they are the party of a privileged few at the top."

Vote people let your voices be heard!!!

I am from Manchester,at the grand age of 17 the apprenticeships were taken away by none other than Maggie Thatcher and replaced with Y.T.S. schemes that would pay you a massive wage of 25 quid($40) a week.
After doing a year of Y.T.S. for a year you were then discarded so another wave of school leavers could be abused for cheap labour and then left with no training worthy of anything and either be doomed to working low paid jobs in crappy factories or living life on the rock n roll.
Telling people to get off their arses will achieve nothing when there is basically nothing out there except half a notch above very low paying wage slavery.
So what do you want them to do?starve to death?Live on the streets?
Most of the affected people come from cities like Sunderland,Glasgow,Newcastle,Liverpool,Sheffield,Leeds,and Manchester.
They all once had thriving industries such as shipping,textiles,cotton,steel and coal mining.
The working class industries that once supported these communities has been eroded away into nothing.
For instance in 1900 Britain made 98 out 100 of all the ships in the World.
And Manchester used to be the richest city on the planet.
The petro dollar used to be the petro pound until WW 2 when we surrendered it to America as war debt.
And the country has been in a massive decline for the last century.

I understand people getting upset about these parasites that have found out ways to flaunt the system and will find elaborate ways of never having to work but there are also many many others that want to work but are taken advantage of by the supply and demand and paid utter garbage wages they cannot survive on so need benefits to live on.
What has gotten peoples backs are those that come in from countries such as Romania and are instantly given brand new housing.
Blocks of new flats and houses were built close to my dads house in Manchester and and only Romanians and new immigrants were allowed to move there.

So now there is a backlash.The exclusive treatment of new immigrants has people mad and it's done by design.
It's another way of splitting and controlling the inhabitants of the country,next to go will be the N.H.S. but don't be fooled by these clowns in parliament,our grandfathers paid for it all in blood on the beaches of Dunkirk and the fields of France.

Britain is a total joke ran by treacherous politicians that sold the people down the river a long long time ago.
I cannot understand the mind set of people still believing in the left right paradigm.
Labour and conservatives are two masks on the same face.
Politics is one great game played by the masters of deception.