Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

Isnt that blue wall from a star trek movie?

I seem to remember it

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reply to: WanDash

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jenisiz

I can't say if He Who Shall Not Be Named is part of some RK civilization or society or not. But I can say, this person did know a whole heck of a lot. Like he was able to know when and where I could see a very secret and exotic craft come through. He was able to describe details on it that I did not mention on any thread, as if he's seen it too. Even called it when he said that the next time I would see it, it would be more "Personal". When I did see it again, right when he said I would, instead of it flying off in the distance like the first time, it flew low and right over my apt. I mean right down the length of my street, perfectly.

This individual knew something. Whether the 25/75 rule came heavily into play doesn't discredit what he apparently knew and knew well.

besides. Zaphod's got some serious credibility, he knows a whole hell of a lot about aviation and aerospace. If he believes the individual had credibility as far as his knowledge of very compartmentalized projects that folks like Tom Clancy wouldn't be able to figure out, then he probably, most likely had some inside knowledge and was indeed credible as far as the more down to earth stuff goes. again the whole 25/75 rule can't be dismissed in anything this individual wrote.

And as far as proof. Just wait a while. I'm sure when the day it does debut, if they show what she can really do (unlikely) ATS's aviation forum will have a melt down. Take it from me. It's impressive and seeing is believing.

So you're the guy who was told to look out for one of the crafts?

Awesome!!!

With all the excitement of seeing it, I'll forgive the part where you were supposed to of got ya camera out!! ;p

a reply to: skyblueworld

Yeah thanks for understanding why I didn't bother to get a picture of it. He may have also told others as for when to look and that it worked out for them too. But I'm the more commonly associated guy with the story of him telling a member when to see it again. I had a thread going at the time dealing with a sighting I had had of the craft that he chimed in on and introduced himself to me. Made a prediction and within a day at the right time I saw it again like he said I would. It goes deeper than that but thats the general outline of what had happened.

But see my explanation below for my general reasons for not getting a photograph.

It's a misconception that when you see something very out of the ordinary you immediately think to take a picture. Nope, nope and more nope. The thought doesn't even cross your mind. All you want to do, are compelled to do, is just stare and absorb all you can about what you are seeing. You don't want to take your eyes off of it, because you are seeing something amazing. To me I would be a real douche if instead of staring in awe at this thing giving it every ounce of my attention I went. Wait, wait let me get my iPhone out and take a selfie with it. How detached from the situation would I have to have been to opt for that.

Besides it was stunning literally when I saw it the second time. It was that fascinating to see. Fast, silent, beautiful.

Also, did I mention she's fast, too fast to get a camera up to take a shot. I would have needed a camera sitting there on a tripod with ultra high frames per second to get a decent shot. I'm not the kinda guy to take the time to do that.

Finally, I don't believe one should take pictures of the thing. It's a classified military device, not a sasquatch. We don't need pictures of it out there on the internet...period. That's like a A hole move to do something like that when it could compromise the safety or mission of the US Military.

I am fond of those folks and don't want to ruin a very good thing they have going with this type of tech. A very good thing.

a reply to: Jukiodone
You may be correct - regarding the claimed source of the edge-of-the-universe info.
I am neither skeptic or believer... Just attempting to explore pieces of the story I am equipped to deal with.
If the tale was 25% True and 75% Fiction...that's a lot of fiction to eliminate.
But... I really was hoping this sat on the side of 25%...as I have always wondered at "what is outside Everything".

a reply to: tetra50

Thank you, Tet, I shall check it out.

The whole matter of discerning true from false (and all the gradients in between) is a fascinating exercise... it usually isn't that difficult, but those borderline cases are where any real, objective truth might well lie (stupid wordplay on purpose... as usual)

ETA and something has occurred to me... pretending #snippy's# account near the end is factual ... he noted that our govts were to blame "more than we'd ever know... ." I wonder if they took certain portions of this alleged tech to use for nefarious, controlling purposes (if true, of course they would)... and if so, then why the alleged RK'rs can't just swoop in to the rescue makes a tad more sense... and so do reports of mind control tech.

Just musing...

a reply to: Baddogma

That's where he had writers block ...any breakaway civilisation that can sneak around in triangles interfering with subconscious processes would have many ways to affect change in society.

This "hands off or we'll nuke the populous" defence as offered by the source is wonky whichever you look at it.

"World Leaders" need to sleep the same as everyone else so why not zap them?... or why not have us dream about the French Revolution and "1 %er's" every night...people would soon be thinking about guillotines rather than peaceful sit ins.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Uh-huh... unless they had protective measures against mind invasion and higher tech security and weapons in general.

If so, that particular "hole" gets smaller...

a reply to: WanDash

And that 'blue wall' is obviously intriguing ... heh... I'm getting extra material paraphrased and emailed to me and one account briefly mentions that blue wall.

If I had to guess, I'd say that behind that blue wall is an infinity of more blue walls... OR a high school lab running a simulation.

I never was party to the "nuke the population" thing, on the contrary I was lead to believe that there hasn't been a nuclear exchange due to the interference of this "break away civilization". There have been reports of nukes suddenly shutting down in the silos.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
That's partly what I was trying to say.

They are "breakaways." There is a difference of opinions. The govts got some of the early "found " tech and extrapolated on it before the two were at whatever odds they are now.

So, it might be two nearly equal "sides" ...technologically speaking... philosophically, the two sides seem parsecs apart ... if true...

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: MystikMushroom
That's partly what I was trying to say.

They are "breakaways." There is a difference of opinions. The govts got some of the early "found " tech and extrapolated on it before the two were at whatever odds they are now.

So, it might be two nearly equal "sides" ...technologically speaking... philosophically, the two sides seem parsecs apart ... if true...

But surely no human endeavors could match ALICE given what we've been told?

a reply to: The GUT

Heh... though maybe the govt black magicians have a "CATIPPILAR" ... ?

ETA though thinking about it... REDQQUEEN would work better...

a reply to: WanDash
No one asked me, but I always assumed this "blue wall," they encountered, was more than likely the heliosphere this particular universe is encased in, and that this wasn't new knowledge in any way. But then I seem to have some peculiar knowlege at times: peculiar in that I don't exactly know in my known realm of experience just where or how I came by it, and so aren't sure if it's true, either, but often a gut sense that it is.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: WanDash

And that 'blue wall' is obviously intriguing ... heh... I'm getting extra material paraphrased and emailed to me and one account briefly mentions that blue wall.

If I had to guess, I'd say that behind that blue wall is an infinity of more blue walls... OR a high school lab running a simulation.

Oh, come on, everyone knows that's the bulb part of the turkey baster…
lol

originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: Baddogma

That's where he had writers block ...any breakaway civilisation that can sneak around in triangles interfering with subconscious processes would have many ways to affect change in society.

This "hands off or we'll nuke the populous" defence as offered by the source is wonky whichever you look at it.

"World Leaders" need to sleep the same as everyone else so why not zap them?... or why not have us dream about the French Revolution and "1 %er's" every night...people would soon be thinking about guillotines rather than peaceful sit ins.

I find the choice material of the dreams very interesting, indeed, as though looking for a particular type of energy, though not many readily share theirs (dreams), and when they do, who even knows if they're being truthful…

The hands off or we'll nuke thing, to me, says that each side is apparently holding some key cards on the other, and they're simply playing poker with each other. The question becomes really what the cards are each is holding.

a reply to: tetra50

Well, if true, those "cards" are likely largely responsible for the presidential aging syndrome that gets commented on... the tales of presidents boo-hooing over confidential briefings, etc.

The knowledge that all you thought you knew is basically a sham and the real endeavors going on are sci-fi channel worthy must be quite a shock... if true...

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: tetra50

Well, if true, those "cards" are likely largely responsible for the presidential aging syndrome that gets commented on... the tales of presidents boo-hooing over confidential briefings, etc.

The knowledge that all you thought you knew is basically a sham and the real endeavors going on are sci-fi channel worthy must be quite a shock... if true...

Yes, I imagine they are. Especially having bought into a system enough to actually become the leader of the free world, only to find it isn't free, isn't really a world at all, etc. But I'm thinking more functional cards than that, via tech or weaponry, etc.

Btw, several pages ago you alluded to Gut's responses showing you that TPB are all too interested in mindscrew technology, and there's obviously the science and conceptualization and tech afoot to shift paradigm's using human consciousness. So then the effort would be to shift paradigms using just that, which means the whole population, or most of it, would be highly controlled, consciousness wise……This was the almost the entire goal of MK Ultra, and certainly the goal of convening RV teams, or collecting people able to consciously make use of kinetic energy.

Sorry for the segue here, but I don't think it really is a segue, as it pertains directly to the "forever men," and some other aspects to this story, obviously. It may even turn out to be a hinge point…..
regards to you, BD
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

I have mused over possible mind control tech a tad more frequently than is likely good for my psyche.

I have often wondered if people aren't very curious over certain information ...esp re: UFO's, etc.... NOT due to a paucity of good information, but rather, due to technical/psychological means... could be.

I've often also wondered if the crack down on certain psycho active substances is because of those chems somewhat counteracting said tech...

But that's musing along the edge of a very steep, high cliff...

a reply to: Baddogma
I agree wholeheartedly with every point you made there, including musing over it too much.
But I will say this, the forever men concept implies, by definition, ultimate control, and not just over sleep patterns, which specifically would involve the hypothalamus: sleep, hunger, sex drive.

Anywho….yes, to the crackdown on psychoactives and other things that interfere. And the encouragement of new age type beliefs, and meditation is actually helpful to the physiological processes that would have to be involved...

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: MystikMushroom
That's partly what I was trying to say.

They are "breakaways." There is a difference of opinions. The govts got some of the early "found " tech and extrapolated on it before the two were at whatever odds they are now.

So, it might be two nearly equal "sides" ...technologically speaking... philosophically, the two sides seem parsecs apart ... if true...

But surely no human endeavors could match ALICE given what we've been told?

Just speaking of some science fiction here: There is a Frank Herbert novel (he wrote it with a partner whose name escapes me at the moment) called "Destination Void." It was one of his earlier works. The premise was a cloned team of astronauts and scientists on a ship looking for a planet to colonize, second class, controlled clones: controlled via the ship's instrumentation linked to mission control on earth and their counterparts (whom they were cloned as copies from.) The ship was run by something they called an "organic mental core," which was a human brain in a suspension, linked via hardware to wetware: the actual computer that ran the ship, completely. This was the third or fourth attempt, and each of the others failed bc the OMC went insane, eventually….
In order to survive this, the crew must build a computer that is capable of the consciousness necessary to run the systems of the ship and navigate.

LOL. Talk about forevermen, and RKers.
Good book, if anyone's looking for a good read. Really explores the consciousness issue, bc they had to define that to build it.But my point, herein, albeit it's taken me a long time to get there, is that A.L.I.C.C.E, could be more human, organic in origination than we think. After all, it's supposed to stand for Carbon Exoskeleton, right? That implies an organ body housing the AI, I would think That's what a body is: A carbon exoskeleton…..