Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: tetra50

And yeah...good read.

Certain authors, like Herbert, and A.C. Clarke, if their work is read with this possible knowledge in mind, indicate a certain "insider" knowledge... or really specific imaginations!

ETA of course, P.K.D.! The great one.. .heh.. when it comes to paranoid nightmares, anyway!

a reply to: Baddogma
Some things written about this are downright paranoic, it seems, and believing them is quite difficult in terms of continuing to get up in the morning, and I'm thinking the whole thing around GWEN towers, and control over the ionosphere, here, and perhaps, even more, as to group consciousness….

However, this would make sense in the inability for the "breakwayers," to "save" our populous, and blaming the PTB…

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: tetra50

And yeah...good read.

Certain authors, like Herbert, and A.C. Clarke, if their work is read with this possible knowledge in mind, indicate a certain "insider" knowledge... or really specific imaginations!

And Philip Dick….It's almost, I agree, as though we've already lived all these possibilities, in some other reality, and then they wrote about it….

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: skyblueworld

Yeah thanks for understanding why I didn't bother to get a picture of it. He may have also told others as for when to look and that it worked out for them too. But I'm the more commonly associated guy with the story of him telling a member when to see it again. I had a thread going at the time dealing with a sighting I had had of the craft that he chimed in on and introduced himself to me. Made a prediction and within a day at the right time I saw it again like he said I would. It goes deeper than that but thats the general outline of what had happened.

But see my explanation below for my general reasons for not getting a photograph.

It's a misconception that when you see something very out of the ordinary you immediately think to take a picture. Nope, nope and more nope. The thought doesn't even cross your mind. All you want to do, are compelled to do, is just stare and absorb all you can about what you are seeing. You don't want to take your eyes off of it, because you are seeing something amazing. To me I would be a real douche if instead of staring in awe at this thing giving it every ounce of my attention I went. Wait, wait let me get my iPhone out and take a selfie with it. How detached from the situation would I have to have been to opt for that.

Besides it was stunning literally when I saw it the second time. It was that fascinating to see. Fast, silent, beautiful.

Also, did I mention she's fast, too fast to get a camera up to take a shot. I would have needed a camera sitting there on a tripod with ultra high frames per second to get a decent shot. I'm not the kinda guy to take the time to do that.

Finally, I don't believe one should take pictures of the thing. It's a classified military device, not a sasquatch. We don't need pictures of it out there on the internet...period. That's like a A hole move to do something like that when it could compromise the safety or mission of the US Military.

I am fond of those folks and don't want to ruin a very good thing they have going with this type of tech. A very good thing.

what i can't understand is why they would fly a classified military device low over a major us city, inviting the possibility of someone taking pictures/videos and posting them on the internet

a reply to: aynock

I personally belive they were doing a demo of the crafts capabilities to a few folks that make decisions regarding military funding and contracts. Senators, Chairmen, Others with budget approval ability. The pitch probably went like this. "Too old and cranky to go to Edwards cause it's far away? Don't like Deserts? Don't have the time to venture way out into nowhere to see this thing? Well, no worries then!!! We'll bring the show to YOU! Ho Bout you all go somewhere safe to get together...Like the Federal Building. It's got FBI other alphabet soup agencies, and it's a tall building. Get those guys up on the roof and we'll give them a demo they'll never believe with out seeing!!!!!" Does flyby, everybody applauds. " So uh Mr. Senator do we get the contract now or what?"

It was going too fast for people to notice unless they were looking right at it. I initially got lucky.

It certainly would not get any ones attention...unless they were looking right at it.

It can circumvent all radar. With all impunity.

It's absolutely quiet.

It's really fast.

Probably doesn't photograph well.

Maybe it can cloak it's self optically when it wants to, and it only uncloaked long enough to give folks a glimpse that it had indeed been there buzzing around.

Maybe it has a very advanced cloaking system and unless there is something wrong with your senses (sick, injury etc - I had a serious ear and sinus thing going on at the time) it will cause 99% of the people to NOT see it. Even if they were trying. And what better way to prove it then by flying low right over the heads of 14 Million + people.
There were people around when I saw it on all occasions and not one of them noticed. Not even dogs.

Maybe the folks that are interested in possibly buying this thing and giving the corporation a contract to build lots of them said "We don't believe what you are saying this thing can do. PROVE IT CAN!"

So it gave them one hell of a demonstration.

Besides this is Los Angles we're talking about. People probably couldn't get their faces away from the cell phones long enough to notice. And the only time people look at the stars here is when one is walking down the street not shining bright high above.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I personally belive they were doing a demo of the crafts capabilities to a few folks that make decisions regarding military funding and contracts. Senators, Chairmen, Others with budget approval ability. The pitch probably went like this. "Too old and cranky to go to Edwards cause it's far away? Don't like Deserts? Don't have the time to venture way out into nowhere to see this thing? Well, no worries then!!! We'll bring the show to YOU! Ho Bout you all go somewhere safe to get together...Like the Federal Building. It's got FBI other alphabet soup agencies, and it's a tall building. Get those guys up on the roof and we'll give them a demo they'll never believe with out seeing!!!!!" Does flyby, everybody applauds. " So uh Mr. Senator do we get the contract now or what?"

that sounds utterly implausible to me

It can circumvent all radar. With all impunity.

how do you know this?

Probably doesn't photograph well.

Maybe it can cloak it's self optically when it wants to, and it only uncloaked long enough to give folks a glimpse that it had indeed been there buzzing around.

Maybe it has a very advanced cloaking system and unless there is something wrong with your senses (sick, injury etc - I had a serious ear and sinus thing going on at the time) it will cause 99% of the people to NOT see it. Even if they were trying. And what better way to prove it then by flying low right over the heads of 14 Million + people.

this sounds like wild speculation to me

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
It was going too fast for people to notice unless they were looking right at it. I initially got lucky...

Maybe it has a very advanced cloaking system and unless there is something wrong with your senses (sick, injury etc - I had a serious ear and sinus thing going on at the time) it will cause 99% of the people to NOT see it. Even if they were trying. And what better way to prove it then by flying low right over the heads of 14 Million + people.
There were people around when I saw it on all occasions and not one of them noticed. Not even dogs.

Just food for thought, but seeing as no one else seemed to see it, the only difference I can see is that it was SUGGESTED to you by someone who had cultivated some trust and authority in your mind.

Not saying the following proves anything (heck it could be 20 people playing along though I kind of doubt it) but in the following episode of an old Kreskin show with guest J. Allen Hynek, we can apparently see the literal power of suggestion.

The UFO "sighting" starts at 18:27.

originally posted by: Baddogma
...If I had to guess, I'd say that behind that blue wall is an infinity of more blue walls... OR a high school lab running a simulation.

Between the two, I'd bet on the school lab simulation.

Nevertheless - if you were exploring the universe, and found its outer boundary...wouldn't you ask "Is this The Truman Show?"...before disembarking to look for the door?

Okay - maybe it was the longest mission/trek they'd ever taken...the kids were in the back seat yelling at and taunting each other, throwing sh*t at each other, the wife was reading a magazine...and Captain CrunchTime says - "Hey - Look everyone! The Edge Of The Universe ...Wanna go see it and touch it?"
And the wife emerges from behind the magazine...and joins the kids throwing sh*t at the Captain... And - they turn around, and find a Galactic Taco Bell...with restrooms.

Absent such a scenario (and a few others - like that flashing Neon sign - "No Refueling Stations for the Next 200 Light Years)...and, I would think anyone with the opportunity, would want to investigate.

All of this said, not failing to consider JukieDone's suggestion that the "edge of the universe" observation might have been attributed to one (or more) of the other Pillars of Man(?)... Thus, these questions might be twice-mooted.

a reply to: The GUT

hmmmn...well,...huh? it WAS the 70s

a reply to: ZetaRediculian
I do feel the need to give BASSPLYR a sincere big thumbs up.

Because he has bravely stood UP--pretty much singularly it seems--and hasn't been a no-show or hem-haw'er.

I'm open to the black triangle stuff. Pretty sure they exist, not so sure what they are. Heck, I'm looking for a foothold! But it has to make some sense to me.

I'm also pretty feisty about hoaxers and folk that would confuse and manipulate others, and so much of what we've heard is disturbing no matter which side of the the forevermen issue one finds themselves on.

Even though much of the "evidence" can't be produced because of T&C's, it becomes rather clear that a fairly complex tale and series of events were going on behind the scenes. And that brings me to what I consider to be a very important point: In light of that, It's HARD to buy into the "he was disclosing USG tech disguised by the 75/25. Why is it almost impossible to buy that? Because it negates all the behind-the-scenes events. The latter doesn't easily fit the former theory-wise.

The mythology/story/tale is obviously important to whatever it was about.

You "forevermen" lurking here, should be TICKED OFF imo.

a reply to: tetra50

over in this topic
they're currently talking about security classifications
and seem to be having a few laffs about classified screwdrivers
(and filing cabinets full of supposedly boring classified stuff)

but afaic, if 'boring' details such as these
were public knowledge
some of us would be able to put 2 & 2 together

i think a lot of these 'author' types
(with their many interesting "associates"..)
have previously done this
an example

and like most things,
the system gets wind of it
and decides to "do it better"
an example

the trail that could be followed from those two links alone is.. enlightening

a reply to: The GUT

I'm open to the black triangle stuff. Pretty sure they exist,

Something fitting that description definitely exist . I and other family members saw one in the mid 80's : silent with no lights or sound and very dark , as if almost visible only because it covered the stars as it moved very slowly like it was hovering. Me and my uncle saw it in one location and my cousin from another house about a mile down the road.

not so sure what they are.

Me either. I just remember the experience being surreal but that was probably because the mind has a tendency to try to convert an unknown image into something it can understand.

a reply to: The GUT

I do feel the need to give BASSPLYR a sincere big thumbs up.

So do I. Same to you, BASSPLYR.

Because he has bravely stood UP--pretty much singularly it seems--and hasn't been a no-show or hem-haw'er.


I'm also pretty feisty about hoaxers and folk that would confuse and manipulate others, and so much of what we've heard is disturbing no matter which side of the the forevermen issue one finds themselves on.

Your judgement of experiencers that I "bolded," is part of why some of us don't "stand up," more, as you call it.
The minute some of us do, everything in our lives changes. And the manipulators become even more manipulative and sometimes malicious.

I agree BASSPLYR has been willing to be very honest, and risk all that.
But despite your judgement there, GUT, there are likely many who support BASSPLYR, and at the same time may have reasons to keep their information to themselves, for the moment....

Surely it is possible to support this member's honesty, without judging others here who haven't said more. I hardly think that's fair, especially full well knowing what can happen when one starts talking about this more.

But this is very true, and something I pointed out when we were discussing cloaking tech: It's described in the earliest mythologies about the battle between the Titans of Olympus and the Lord of the Underworld, Haydes. Forevermen have truly been forever......

The mythology/story/tale is obviously important to whatever it was about.

You "forevermen" lurking here, should be TICKED OFF imo.

No doubt, and in the society we live in, if identified, the Aviary would be very interested in taking control of those individuals. If you were revealed as someone who literally couldn't die, this society and its governance would start trying to test that: Imagine how many things they would do to someone like that to test the theory of "forever...." And the military would certainly want to test and control that in a person to use for their DARPA Super Soldier Program, so they could create that themselves.

a reply to: UNIT76

Interesting trail you are following there, thanks.

and like most things,
the system gets wind of it
and decides to "do it better"
an example

Yes, they always try to control, create it themselves, and do it better....but better is debateable.
Control is the operative word, though.

Has anyone looked into whether the RK'er posted on other sites?
Perhaps he's posting second hand info that A: Either took him in or B: was salacious enough in it's basic details that he might try and propagate the meme elsewhere?

There might even be a forum full of people including ATS members (past and present ) posting similar stuff (but slightly ahead in terms of plot development) that might use such a story as an orchestrated effort to grab some members in the process of having a laugh?

a reply to: Jukiodone

I think you make a really good point, there, and it's why there's a place and a time, and the right people...to speak to about this. It's valuable information, but certainly there are those that are just snaring people to have a laugh...
It's sad, but all too true.

There might even be a forum full of people including ATS members (past and present ) posting similar stuff (but slightly ahead in terms of plot development) that might use such a story as an orchestrated effort to grab some members in the process of having a laugh?

embrace & expand

..reminds me of 'hidden hand'
and other parasites
where the best 'most expedient' (?looks at tetra) method of conveyance
is to attach yourself to some unsuspecting schmuck
who doesn't even realize what's going on

originally posted by: tetra50


Surely it is possible to support this member's honesty, without judging others here who haven't said more. I hardly think that's fair, especially full well knowing what can happen when one starts talking about this more.

I agree, but let's be honest and take a second to look at the majority of the GUT's posts on this thread....clearly he's here to do just that: judge.

That, and I'm seeing a continuing theme of trying to discredit a certain member's reputation. For what reason? Beats me, but that's what I took away after reading all 63 pages of this thread.

a reply to: aynock

Not implausible at all. It's possible the geniuses at the various defense corporations have some very very advanced capabilities. Optical camo is very real. Soundless flight is very real. Integrating the two into a platform that will not be detected by 99% of the people nearly 100% of the time isn't too far of a stretch. The military has wanted this capability and have worked on it for nearly 20 years or more. It wouldn't be a surprise if we do indeed have some crazy tech. Plasma, meta materials, nano particles, all very useful and much further along in development then we think. Think of it as a new material that much like plastic or even metal coming out of the stone age will be a huge game changer for humanity. In 30 years ALL of you will wonder. How did we ever get by before these things?

My explanation of what it was doing over the city may seem implausible to you. But it was there. And it wasn't a hallucination or wishful thinking. If it wasn't there for the reason I believe, then WTF was it doing there? Had no reason to be there otherwise. No I don't think it was sucking up brain waves as it went by as claimed in the RK story.

Seems like wild speculation, may not be so wild as you think.

a reply to: The GUT

At the time I had no trust in him, and I still don't fully. But at the time I posted my first sighting. He shows up on my thread and tells me you will see this craft again. There was more to it but thats the general. A short while later. I did indeed see it again. In a lot more detail. Not a hallucination. Not guided wishful thinking.

At the time I was more excited in the fact that I saw it again, then I said wait...Just like he said...interesting.

Also, I want to thank you guys for at least respecting my tenacity with the sighting. I saw what I saw. I can't change that or back down from that. I'd be deceiving myself and forcing myself to believe a lie if I tried to convince myself I didn't see it. A flying triangle overflew the city. Why nobody else saw it (or has come forward with seeing it) is a mystery. There are a lot of reasonable answers.

Folks can believe I'm misguided and saw what I wanted to see. But I wasn't asking for this and I wasn't guided as to what I was seeing.

Facts are. A triangle overflew the city. Why I don't know. But it did. Why other people didn't see it I don't know, but it was indeed there. I wasn't hallucinating. I'm not some schitzo. I'm not exactly gullible. I'm smart enough to deduce what I saw was pretty heavy. Theres a lot bigger world out there. There is a lot more technology out there than we know about. I don't know how it works. But I know it's there. I saw it.