Kristallnacht : A warning from history

a reply to: neformore

Do you also want no more Irish people

Do you see difference between religion and nationality/race ?

I can hardly call Islam religion but it is adopted convention. In my view it is the most outdated out of 3 Abrahamic religions.
Christianity appeared as a more humanistic version of Judaism. And Judaism also progressed a long way since 1-st century.
But what those radical muslims want is a return to 7-th century. It is insane.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: daaskapital

Radical fringe elements of Islam have

There are too many those elements. Wait longer and they will overwhelm you.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: daaskapital

What's stopping the persecution of Buddhists, Christians, Sikhs, Jews

If they start things similar to Jihad - ban them too.

I really don't know what to say to this...

If it's anyone who has been indoctrinated, it is you. Every religion has its extreme minorities.

Look at Myanmar: Radical Buddhists are killing Muslims by the hundreds. There are examples of Christian terrorism too, with some incidents being those explained by Zaphod above.

You are engulfed in a state of fear and paranoia. If you want to ban Islam for its radical minority, you will have to ban every other religion in the world. That means you will be condemning approximately six billion, sixty-seven million and two hundred thousand people, out of the total world population of 7.1 billion. That is approximately 85.7% of the world's population.

a reply to: kitzik

Back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's Irish nationals waged a campaign of terror against my country.

They carried out all kinds of criminal acts, including drug running and prostitution
They carred out maimings and killings based on religion.
They tried to destroy my countries whole government on more than one occasion and came very close to succeeding.
They blew up city centres centres killing men, women and children.

I was present in Manchester (where I literally had to run for my life), and in Warrington when they set off explosions there.

They proved themselves to be sadistic, brutal and ruthless.

So, given your logic, we should do away with all Irish people - yes?

a reply to: daaskapital

That means you will be condemning approximately six billion, sixty-seven million and two hundred thousand people, out of the total world population of 7.1 billion. That is approximately 85.7% of the world's population.

I don't believe in this numbers. I think there are much more secular population, but if we don't take measures against Islam there is a chance there will be 0% secular people in 50 years.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: daaskapital

That means you will be condemning approximately six billion, sixty-seven million and two hundred thousand people, out of the total world population of 7.1 billion. That is approximately 85.7% of the world's population.

I don't believe in this numbers. I think there are much more secular population, but if we don't take measures against Islam there is a chance there will be 0% secular people in 50 years.

Don't put your faith in the percentage. It is wrong, as i didn't calculate the exact numbers. It is there to give you a rough estimate of the percentage of the religious population of the world.

Still, i believe you are fear mongering.

a reply to: neformore

So, given your logic, we should do away with all Irish people - yes?

Sorry, you seem to be incapable to understand my logic. You can disagree, but for the second time I'm asking not to put your thoughts in my mouth.

originally posted by: kitzik

But what those radical muslims want is a return to 7-th century. It is insane.

You are correct here -- it is the RADICAL Muslims that want a return to 7th century. Most Muslims don't want that.
From a Muslim website:

The real aim of organizations such as Al-Qaeda is not just the "liberation of Palestine" but the creation of a fundamentalist Muslim empire made up of every Muslim nation. This desire to create a Muslim empire is based on the delusion that modernity is a threat to Islam and the idea that the Muslim community has strayed from God and if they were to return to a strict interpretation of Islam that the problems in the Muslim world would be solved. It is this exact mentality spurned of paranoia, ignorance and fear that inspired and supported the Taliban and the creation of a medieval society in Afghanistan.

www.freemuslims.org...

a reply to: kaylaluv

You are correct here -- it is the RADICAL Muslims that want a return to 7th century. Most Muslims don't want that.

Just before 3 years there was only moderate muslims in Syria, now go look at videos about Raqqa.
Since majority of muslim countries population have low income/education it is a matter of months to be radicalized or be dead. Also, they figured out that Europe is a convenient safe place where they can breed and hide and go back and capture more territory. Same goes for USA to a lesser extent.
All Middle East is 2-3 years from radicalization like Syria now. From Bagdad to Andalus.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: neformore

Sorry, you seem to be incapable to understand my logic.

Thats because your logic is hypocritical. You apply one set of rules to one thing, but refuse to apply it to another.

If you beleive that the actions of a minority represent the whole, and that whole is dangerous, then you must apply it consistently.

Therefore, if you believe the actions of a minority of muslims represents muslim society as a whole, you must believe that the actions of a minority of irish people represent Irish people as whole.

Given how dangerous the Irish are, therefore - by your own logic - you wish to do away with them.

Or is it possible that you are mistaken, and that the actions of a few do not represent the actions of the whole?

a reply to: neformore

November 9, 1938 known as the 'kristallnacht'... (the start of the 'Final Solution)

was indeed the first edition of the World's 911 event
(9 November being the 9-11 correct day-month sequence) the 4 prong attacks of 11 September is a conjured 9-11 date

and both events commence the start of the homeland peoples to live in a imposed Police State...
some (the Jewish) in more restriction than others (the Aryans)

I sure don't see the Muslims in the USA being singled out for persecution, yet...in fact the Federal govt favors Islam over Christians in every aspect of society, military & WH policy makers


in both cases the 911 event was not as much a 'False Flag' event as it was the 1st stage of entering a highly (militarized) Police State with rights, freedoms to be severely rationed / doled out to only the 'party' members


the airpower attacks on the Sunni-extremist-Jihadists called IS-ISIL-ISIS is completely different from a Pogrom against Jews in the Nazi era or the false illusion that Arabs are being singled out in the present...


RELATED INFO:
www.historyplace.com...

In Germany, on November 12, top Nazis, including Hermann Göring and Joseph Goebbels, held a meeting concerning the economic impact of the damage and to discuss further measures to be taken against the Jews. SS leader Reinhard Heydrich reported 7500 businesses destroyed, 267 synagogues burned (with 177 totally destroyed) and 91 Jews killed...

(Later) About 25,000 Jewish men were rounded up and later sent to concentration camps where they were often brutalized by SS guards and in some cases randomly chosen to be beaten to death.

...Regarding the economic impact of the damage from Kristallnacht and the resulting massive insurance claims, Hermann Göring stated the Jews themselves would be billed for the damage and that any insurance money due to them would be confiscated by the State.

Kristallnacht led to the eventual 'final solution' policy...
bundling radical Jihadists of ISIS and normal Muslims together is just not happening

a reply to: kitzik

You have no idea, do you?

The majority of people in ISIS held territory do not like ISIS, and they will not become radicalised just because they are told that it is the right path. Maybe the youth, but definitely not the majority of others.

You may think them stupid, but they aren't. No one likes having freedom one day, and then being oppressed the next.

a reply to: neformore

Thats because your logic is hypocritical. You apply one set of rules to one thing, but refuse to apply it to another.

You can call me hypocrite, fascist, fearmongering whatever you want. I'm not going to submit to muslim invasion.
We are not in Sorbonne philosophical dispute anymore, we are at war. If someone doesn't understand this still, it is his problem, I warned you.

originally posted by: kitzik


Since majority of muslim countries population have low income/education it is a matter of months to be radicalized or be dead.

Then it's poverty that is the problem, not the whole Muslim religion.

originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: neformore

Yet your logic works if flipped 180 degrees..

Small group trying to make the rest of the world think and believe like they do.. Radical Islam ------- Nazis

And using that same comparison, like the majority of Germany that never spoke out against the Nazis, the rest of Islam is quiet for the most part..

Group logic parameters and generalizations almost always work both ways..

Good analogy however...

Depending on one's point of view

Which is why I think we all should be using the French term for the Islamic State of Daesh

Daesh clearly differentiates the crazies from the "good",

Daesh means bigots who want to force everyone to believe as they do

Please people on this website, stop using the term ISIS
and switch to the more accurate term

Islamic State of Daesh

which separates the evil from the good quite clearly

a reply to: daaskapital

You have no idea, do you?

The majority of people in ISIS held territory do not like ISIS, and they will not become radicalised just because they are told that it is the right path. Maybe the youth, but definitely not the majority of others.

You may think them stupid, but they aren't. No one likes having freedom one day, and then being oppressed the next.

It is you have no idea. The majority thinking that ISIS represents better society, because they forbade wine, drugs etc. And for the time being they often distributing wealth amongst poor people, calling everyone brother. And killing only infidels, which don't want just society. That is how average Syrian/Iraqi fellahi thinking. Also they erased arbitrary border between Syria/Iraq - another plus. You don't understand arabic mentality, they don't value that much your so called "western freedom", they value Honour above all. And they think that ISIS, above all, returning them Honour, that they were deprived for so long.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: neformore

Thats because your logic is hypocritical. You apply one set of rules to one thing, but refuse to apply it to another.

You can call me hypocrite, fascist, fearmongering whatever you want.

You are all three.

I'm not going to submit to muslim invasion.
We are not in Sorbonne philosophical dispute anymore, we are at war. If someone doesn't understand this still, it is his problem, I warned you.

The West is at war with a radical minority, not an entire religion.

Maybe it is best you take your perspectives elsewhere...just sayin'.

a reply to: kitzik

we are at war

If you don´t mind me joining in, who is we exactly, and with whom exactly?

a reply to: AntiDude

If you don´t mind me joining in, who is we exactly, and with whom exactly?

We are the people who is not going to submit to muslim invasion. I hope I'm not alone, though I'm in a minority here.
And they do invade in areas where they haven't lived in the past.

An undercover investigation has revealed disturbing evidence of Islamic extremism at a number of Britain's leading mosques and Muslim institutions, including an organisation praised by the Prime Minister.

Secret video footage reveals Muslim preachers exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to create a 'state within a state'. Many of the preachers are linked to the Wahhabi strain of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia, which funds a number of Britain's leading Islamic institutions.
www.theguardian.com...

There are just so many examples of encroaching radical muslims
www.news.com.au...
Australia, auctioning ISIS flag.
Do you think it is normal religious practice to make auctions ? And which item lol ? How yo can be so blind.

a reply to: kitzik

One thing I do see is them outbreeding us in Europe in the long run, but I have absolutely no fear of a muslim invasion from the Middle East.

a reply to: kitzik

You are as fundamentalist as those you condemn.