Kristallnacht : A warning from history

Op is out of his mind as the two groups are so vastly different and in such vastly different times.

The only comparison is that Hitler stamped out Jews in a way that most Muslim leaders could only dream of. If any man got as much power as Hitler had he would have a tendency to do as Hitler did, despots and authoritarians the world over have proven this.

Muslims get dehumanized because they messed with the people who control the information, it's that simple.

a reply to: circuitsports

The 6th century CARNAGE worked for me.

All the gas station guys are Sikh's - very nice guys but probably less than 1% of the guys are Muslim - for the rednecks.

When the economy crashes the Jews will get it again...
But they only put the Jews out front as scapegoats....it's all a plan.
imo

Think the best thing anybody could do would be get as far away from the Western Banking System/Federal Reserve Bank as you can - which means get in physical assets & foreign currency's. I like Silver personally...but when it goes down 2008 is going to look like a tea party not Tea Party...so much worse and you will need something physical to trade with not a piece of paper.

a reply to: circuitsports

The only comparison is that Hitler stamped out Jews in a way that most Muslim leaders could only dream of. If any man got as much power as Hitler had he would have a tendency to do as Hitler did, despots and authoritarians the world over have proven this.

How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."
The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.

Western governments traditionally play down the connection between Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist faith, on the one hand, and jihadism, whether of the variety espoused by Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida or by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's Isis. There is nothing conspiratorial or secret about these links: 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as was Bin Laden and most of the private donors who funded the operation.

He remembers the then head of Saudi General Intelligence "literally shouting at me across his office: '9/11 is a mere pinprick on the West. In the medium term, it is nothing more than a series of personal tragedies. What these terrorists want is to destroy the House of Saud and remake the Middle East.'" In the event, Saudi Arabia adopted both policies, encouraging the jihadis as a useful tool of Saudi anti-Shia influence abroad but suppressing them at home as a threat to the status quo. It is this dual policy that has fallen apart over the last year.

The whole article is well worth a read here...
How Saudi Arabia helped ISIS

This is the man who could very well be the 'new Hitler'...


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a reply to: neformore

Amazing post! You have said everything I have been trying to say for a while now, except every time I tried the thread would turn into a hate-filled mess.

a reply to: Auricom
Considering the Jew's of 1920's Europe did nothing more than live peacefully,




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a reply to: douglas5

As you probably know, the Jews didn't 'declare war' with Germany in 1933. They implemented an economic boycott in response to Hitler being Germany's chancellor.

Hitler's Mein Kampf had been out for almost a decade and was extremely clear in its Anti-Jewish propaganda.

What I have noticed over the years has been a concerted effort by the media to stop any criticism of jewish action in Germany or against germans. On several occasions I saw ordinary germans who had lived through that era so actually kn ew what they were talking about saying, that the Jews had tried to totally take over germany. Seems something not discussed ever.

However today if you look at the number of jews in countries outside israel who have got themselves elected to powerful and influential government and the policies and generous amounts of aid given to israel - which is anything but a starving nation - you can see the point these old germans made, like it or not - look at Netanyahoo's boast that he runs america and takes what he want from it. By the look of things and the americans who need help against job loss etc the money sent to israel is monstrous when a country's duty is to help its citizens first before giving money much needed to a foreign country.

However even if some part of jewish society thinks they are able to govern a country of different customs and beliefs, they didn't deserve some of the troubles their efforts bought to them and it should be thought about more,ordinary non political jews, who ultimately paid the price for these jewish power brokers because they had fled the land and not bothered about the consequences of their actions on innocent people who reaped german anger in WW2 in their place. It should also be pointed out that the germans nearly starved to death when they refused to let the jews take over again after WW1 who simply forced a boycott of their exports on shoppers around the world by jewish groups.

If you look at Western policies in the ME and the total mess and threats to our streets now, just who were those wars protecting that started our current set of wars since Iraq except israel - (which incidentally also make huge sums of money for bankers, mostly jewish). It was only Israel and Saudi which could be hit by sadam's missiles, not one western country. He didn't threaten the western countries at all.

Its politics that manipulate countries to sacrifice their young soldiers to protect another country against that provider country's interests that is a layer under politics which is so dangerous and down to israeli onlhy politics. So perhaps the german's warnings should not be totally ignored in the light of what is happening today. Its just a warning I am posting because we are getting dangerously near the road to WW3 and as Israel is not being attacked by ISIS I can't help but smell a rat as Israel should be the ultimate ISIS target. I would add I would expect my country to help Israel immediately were it threatened by ISIS in any way. I just think we should look at history not from the media perspectived but from the jewish newspapers of that era and genuine newsreel which I noticed are fast disappearing from the net and archive.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: neformore

Its not the people or their ethnicity its their ideology as a whole that needs to wither in history's sands. The Muslim dislike and distrust is not artificial it is through experience and ideology. Blaming the West is getting to be a very old tune and it was fun for a while but im done. We need to call this ideology what it is and that is evil.

..the code of Hammurabi is but one example of "their ideology"... if you like the rule of law, hug a Muslim.

GOP & DNC "ideology" of using weapons of mass destruction, surreptitiously overthrowing foreign governments across the globe, wars of aggression based on lies, murder, kidnapping, torture, spying, a-moral occupation after illegal invasion to install a subservient puppet costing many thousands of innocent deaths... yeeehawl!.. now there's some history to be proud of.

People kill people... not opinions.

a reply to: Kandinsky

There are a few good points made in this video it is a bit long at 6 hrs but the book burnings that we were told were bibles turned into porn on closer inspection ,and Hitler was also very vocal on communism which again was run by a large percentage of Jewish people much like the porn industry that made 1930's Germany such a sick place to live much like today where Incest laws are being talked about ? it is the funding that the Nazi's recived that raises a lot of eye brows much of it from jewish sourced .

a reply to: neformore

We need to remember it was not the fear of the Jew that let Hitler form his progressive socialist Oligarchy it was in fact the fear of the communist. A well placed fire helped them gain outright control.



Just like the gas chambers were for the retarded and mentally ill long before a Jew was placed in one. History needs to be remembered for what it truly was.

a reply to: douglas5

You should read Mein Kampf - it's Hitler's vision untainted by any revisionists or apologists. Hitler funded himself from the sales of that book and, after becoming Chancellor, used his own wealth and the nation's wealth to fund the Nazi party.

This thread is a cautionary warning that people need to careful about whom, and to what extent, they will demonise other cultures and/or religions. Let's not derail it into an debate about whether Hitler was a misunderstood, kindly grandfather-type to the Jews or the instigator of a mass-extermination program.

Hitler became the thing he claimed to most despise. A powerful, wealthy being that put his own interests above all others. When we dehumanise entire cultures and sections of society, we also run the risk of becoming something history will despise.

originally posted by: circuitsports
Muslims get dehumanized because they messed with the people who control the information, it's that simple.

Again with the generalisation, and again with complete and utter lack of reading comprehension of my OP.

Why should all muslims be "dehumanized" because of the actions of fundamentalists? Can't you see that by "dehumanizing" the entire muslim population you are doing exactly the same as the Nazi's did to the jews?

So I go to bed and come back and read some of these posts and I wonder - when did peoples ability to comprehend a point become so poor?

This thread isn't about jews directly. Its not about Hitler. Its about attitudes.

When I put these phrases into the OP

"Dirty muslim"
"Filthy Muslim"
"Rag Heads"
"Turn the middle east to glass"
"Send them home"
"They aren't like us, they have no place being here"
"A good muslim is a dead muslim"
"All they want to do is take our jobs/take our women/kill us"
"They're all the same"

It was to illustrate something - replace the word "muslim" with "jew" and you have exactly the same rhetoric the Nazi's used against the jews in the 20's and 30's that led to jewish people being exterminated in the holocaust

People seem to want to blame an entire society for the actions of a minority. The sheer amount of the kind of language above these days seems to indicate we're going down the road of 1930's Germany once more. The rhetroic is disgraceful.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Mein kampf has pride of place on my bookshelf but for hatred the bible takes some beating when it comes to racial hatred being spewed out

What a wrong paralel and comparison
Jews didn't rape young German women.
Jews didn't want their law in Germany, they abide by the law.
Jews didn't behead non believers.
Jews didn't protest violently.
Jews didn't have Jews patrols on the street.
Obama or any European leader dont have agenda against muslims.They mention hundred times that Islam is religion of peace.
Obama or any European leader is not Hitler.

a reply to: neformore

Personally, I think you raise some good points OP about how climates of scapegoating groups of people arise. There is no doubt that Western media is subtly fuelling distrust of Islam in general. I am living in the UK and there is so much hatred of Islam here among the Caucasian Brits. Increasingly it is not a comfortable society to live in. British people are so easily turned into bigoted media fed fodder. I was disgusted when I came across a news article showing crowds cheering because we are going to enter the theatre of war. Blind patriotism is not my scene nor will it ever be.

I spent a fair few years living in the middle of a Muslim community. I had less hassles in their community than I do with the British middle class, their snobbery and selfishness where I currently live. The media is painting a picture that has no truth in it save a few extremists. That was all pre 9/11. Now I would not dare live in this same community. 9/11 ruined everything in terms of religious tolerance.

On the religious front who is the worst? Is it the Catholic priest, the MP and the pop star abusing children serially as so called Christians or the so called Muslim who uses terror against his perceived enemy? They are the one and the same in my opinion.

I will never be spoon fed by the silly media and manipulating politicians. I make my own decisions. I look at people as individuals. That is my own way of dealing with this disgusting latest scapegoating of a whole people.

Just remember this: If you live by the sword you will eventually die by it. I do not live by the sword because I think the Teacher who said that was speaking some very truthful words.

I live in a world full of vastly diverse people. There is a room enough in my reality for Jews, Muslims, Christians and any body else.

Also, the U.S have been so clumsy when it comes to administering justice in terms of terrorism. They have behaved like an execution squad when the Courts are the place to dispense justice. They are no better humanely than their enemy. I see no difference, just that the West do it all in more subtle ways.

It is a violent world. Most people are violent and aggressive and like puppets for a cause. We get what we deserve.

a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

You feel not comfortable in some areas of UK, but I'm afraid to walk near London central mosque. I bet that tens or even hundreds of terrorists went to hot wars out from their doors.
The problem is that if western society will act like OP, there is no doubt that in a very near future we will live in Londonistan and Moskvabad (if we convert to muslims) if we don't convert our heads will be a short lived decoration for the beautiful Tower and Red Square


There should be a simple rule. If you want to live in Europe you are banned to practice Islam in any form.
This rule may be reconsidered in 50 years, but for a while it is a must.

If You think that West is hypocrite you never heard double speak of muslims. They lie in English and tell truth when they surrounded with their muslim brothers in Arabic. And it is a norm, they even have special words in Arabic for this behavior.

Every place where they manage to build mosque becomes their land according to their theology and it is permissible to wage Jihad against oppressors and "free" this land.

In modern days there aren´t many religions which promote violence, violence which starts inside homes, domestic violence which is considered as acceptable policy among the whole community which shares the same ideology. Violent teachings which continues from childhood to adulthood. Oppression of sex and no equal rights between man and woman, all this is written down in so called holy book which guides how to treat others, how to treat woman and how to treat unbelievers and it includes beheading, stoning and other punishments which are all against human rights.
This religion is called as a religion of peace and if you do not accept it as such its ok by the book to oppress you and even kill you. Religion of peace was a sentence which came after 9/11 it has not always been a "Religion of peace " , this religion of peace do not accept the human rights as those are written instead they want a "human rights" which is hand in hand with Sharia Law also known as Cairo declaration of Human Rights.


What can possibly be wrong in the human rights declaration that Islamic countries cannot accept? Why equality is unacceptable.. is that peaceful to be so untolerant ?

a reply to: xavi1000

Read it again, and try and comprehend it this time