13 Common Misconceptions About Global Warming

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Grimpachi


My biggest fear is that many are using it to further a political agenda and have no real interest or honesty when it comes to the science or the data.

I totally agree I see that happening on both sides. That is one of the reasons I try to just stick with the science. I got rid of TV 2 years now I think.

There are misconceptions because there are so many non-experts muddying the water on the topic.

There are misconceptions because this is being debated with hysterics. Not data.

Again that is why I try to stick with the science but sometimes I have a hard time comprehending what the science says and that is when I have to be diligent in researching opinions on what that science is saying. I have been wrong a few times with trusting sources.

The hysterics do get in the way and then there is the purposeful misrepresentation of what the data says which I see all the time. Those things make debating the topic frustrating at times.

How in the hell can anyone have a reasonable debate with anyone who starts it with, "We're killing the planet, in 5 years we'll all be dead unless we raise taxes now!" and other hystronics?

I have seen the we are killing the planet we are going to die posts and I have seen the studies both for and against it. I am not really an optimist on that but I am not decided as to our survivability either. As far as raising taxes I haven't seen those claims on these boards of posters calling for that. I am certainly not for it.

I'll continue reading on the topic, I will continue to make up my own mind without either side manipulating me based on a political ideology.

Nothin' but love. . . .

regards,
beez

That is all that can be asked of someone is to keep an open mind and to actively look at the data.

And thanks Beez love back at you

a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Ridiculous. If someone were to ask me what the weather is like in Boston and I only gave todays temperature weather, it wouldn't be an accurate picture at all. Today's weather was low 60's and cloudy with a sprinkle here and there. Saturday is going to be in the mid 80's. That poor person would show up to Boston in July wearing a warm rain coat and arrive in 90 degree sunshine. Boston's CLIMATE on the other-hand is hot summers, cold and snowy winters, cool to hot springs and hot to cool autumns.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: amazing

No. . but. . .

Okay.

So someone just let me know when all the data is in.

All I'm asking.

Until then, let's accept the fact that some of us will remain skeptics.

are you skeptical of evolution, then?

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: amazing

No. . but. . .

Okay.

So someone just let me know when all the data is in.

All I'm asking.

Until then, let's accept the fact that some of us will remain skeptics.

are you skeptical of evolution, then?

Not really.

So you see climate data the same as evolution.

It's a done deal.

Nothing left to learn?

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: amazing

No. . but. . .

Okay.

So someone just let me know when all the data is in.

All I'm asking.

Until then, let's accept the fact that some of us will remain skeptics.

are you skeptical of evolution, then?

Not really.

So you see climate data the same as evolution.

It's a done deal.

Nothing left to learn?

No. My thinking is that the science of it is pretty settled. But, just like evolution, there are unsettled questions and "missing links" and stuff. I think it's as solid a theory as evolution is. Meaning that you can't say...so it's settled without any questions or doubt or nothing left to say. Because you have questions still with evolution and any scientific theory, really.

The problem is that most of the stuff we debate, here on ATS is based on those 14 talking points plus the Carbon Tax. Most of those points are settled and the Carbon Tax is just one way to handle it. I don't want any tax and will oppose a carbon tax. Of course we're going to be taxed or the powers that be will try to tax us. We're taxed to death now on fossil fuels and we have power company monopolies etc.

But, back on topic, that was a really good video. Here's one example that gets to me.

I mean how many posts on ATS within the last month mentioned the ice age theory from the seventies, or will say something like "first they said it was the ice age, now we're warming..which is it?' The video did a nice job of showing that really the ice age thing is debunked. Shouldn't be mentioned any more. That IS settled.

Cheers

Back in the 60s and 70s scientist were blaming earth cooling and possible beginning of another ice age to population and pollution, that eventually would not allow the sun to reach earth, a that time nobody wanted to profit from ice.

Now is different, telling people that they are going to boil alive helps scare them the most, is working.

originally posted by: amazing

No. My thinking is that the science of it is pretty settled.

Your opinion is that the science is settled.

To be fair, you speak from a very large group who also believe that, and that includes some scientists.

But I have seen such a bias that it is difficult for me to be as sure as you.

Would you believe data on evolution from fundamental Christians? I say that because I see data (on climate) from people who openly claim that they are not impartial to the topic.

a reply to: marg6043

Science like politics always has a scapegoat. They go hand in hand.

If the politicians are so concerned about "global warming" why aren't they cutting their consumption? No private jets, lavish banquets, wasted gasoline being pampered here and there? It hasn't happened. Because as usual they don't care. We bear the brunt of their desire for greed and control.

The scientists, celebrities screaming about global warming? Getting fat off of shrimp and wasting gasoline/jet fuel. A big, cushy position awaits you if you're easily compromised. Big money, fame, people listening to you, all if you go along with the farce.

This is why I stopped listening to so-called "experts" who are more concerned about how their makeup looks on camera than their field.

a reply to: Grimpachi


It's a very well done video; short, sweet and cuts right to the point.


But the (wonderfully obtuse) replies in this thread are ever more proof how far gone up "de Nile" our ideologically skeptical friends are. You can throw them all the lifesavers you want, they will absolutely refuse to take any paddling lessons from someone they deem to be a smarmy Liberal, so you're better off just waving a hearty "bon voyage!" as they drift on by.


Man made global warming is simple cause and effect science:


1. The Greenhouse Effect is a proven physical mechanism that has been known about for 200 years.

2. CO2's behavior as a powerful greenhouse gas has been observed and understood for 150 years.

3. The first official prediction that rising atmospheric concentrations would increase global temperature was published 118 years ago, well before anyone actually noticed that the climate was currently changing.

4. Everything that's happened in the 118 years since then has only served to prove this initial prediction correct. The scientific method has been applied, honed, and re-applied over and over again. Temps have gone up despite the fact that the majority of natural indicators have either leveled out or even dropped. Meanwhile there have been about a bazillion opportunities to falsify CO2's role in all of this, and yet the evidence for it has only gotten stronger and stronger.



These are all basic, easily verifiable facts - but you're dealing with a crowd who appreciates such enlightenment about as much as my cat likes the mere sight of the vacuum cleaner.

They prefer instead to scurry back to their fantasy-filled happy places where all this went down backwards:

i.e. Nobody came up with man made global warming until someone (probably Al Gore) noticed the climate was changing, at which point they immediately exploited this otherwise harmless, natural phenomena as an excuse for more taxes and bigger gubbermint.


Who cares how blatantly untrue and easily disprovable this narrative is - it makes em feel better about their preconceived stereotypes regarding smarmy Liberals, so please don't interrupt any of that with inconvenient facts or uncomfortable realities that it's actually oil companies and right wing blogs that are lying about the science.

Just let them all float on peacefully into ignorant oblivion

originally posted by: marg6043
Back in the 60s and 70s scientist were blaming earth cooling and possible beginning of another ice age to population and pollution, that eventually would not allow the sun to reach earth, a that time nobody wanted to profit from ice.

Now is different, telling people that they are going to boil alive helps scare them the most, is working.

Holy f---- can one of you so called skeptics seriously try watching the video, or at least actually read the OP before sticking your foot in your mouth?

Your meme is #3 on the played out denier talking point hit list.

originally posted by: marg6043
Back in the 60s and 70s scientist were blaming earth cooling and possible beginning of another ice age to population and pollution, that eventually would not allow the sun to reach earth, a that time nobody wanted to profit from ice.

Now is different, telling people that they are going to boil alive helps scare them the most, is working.

That was misconception number 3 then further number 4 in the video. Its already been covered there I suggest watching the video so debates on the subject of AGW/Climate change don't become stale going over the same settled information repeatedly.

However I do like to address this at times because it shows a ludicrous trend. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Those predicting cooling or ice age back then were on the fringe and were not widely accepted. They were wrong.

Now many years later we have the fringe still claiming it is cooling. IMO not much has changed.

Whatever is happening with the earth's climate, it's safe to say that we shouldn't pollute as much as we do.
We also shouldn't wreak ecosystems just for profit with a pathetic excuse like: "Oh, climate change is inevitable."

a reply to: Grimpachi

Those "fringe" papers made it to major news outlets and publications and were widely accepted in the general population.

It was alarmist and irresponsible.

But it also mirrors the same trends we are seeing today.

If ATS had been around in 1970, many would be calling us "deniers" and all sorts of names because we didn't blindly obey the dictates of some scientists!

Some actual quotes. . .

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

Is all about making money, most celebrities behind the green initiatives and supporting carbon taxes are all involve on tax scam, they also are investing on the newest scam in history, "Global warming".

Now they are "tagging everything to global warming including asthma, very soon Autism, ebola and any new pandemic will be "tagged" the fault of Global warming.(I been sarcastic)

People tend to believe anything that propaganda with pretty faces and good looks sells them.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Misconception my big latino rear end, this was the propaganda during the 60s and 70s, perhaps a littler research will refresh your memory.

Selling earth natural cycles and blaming humans for earth farts in order to see if money can be made has been going on for a long time.

People just tend to have such short time memories, no wonder the government wants to control the internet so bad so people will never find out about the truth, dumb people are easier to manipulate than the well informed ones.

a reply to: beezzer

The tactics changed because selling and ice age back then didn't made money.

Global pollution is REAL!!, er, I mean pollution change.

More taxes and restrictions on the common folk should fix things..

a reply to: marg6043

Exactly, it's the latest excuse to control and make money.

If the planet doesn't go through natural cycles why was there such a thing as the ice age? Or swamps and grasslands during the time of the dinosaurs? Manmade global warming proponents will answer it by saying the earth goes through cycles. So we're to conveniently think we're the only time that the changes are not occurring? Makes no sense.

It's a cash cow, the celebrities, tools of the system in all forms naturally go where the money and exposure is. Go with the agenda you don't get tossed off the tower.

When I was a kid we were taught about the ice age that the Neanderthals lived through. And we were told we're living in an interglacial period, a time between ice ages.

So I'm guessing they found it's easier to dictate the masses by restricting their consumption and waste under the premise of a warming earth than an ice age....

a reply to: Grimpachi

Misconceptions?... first of all, who the hell is that guy?... Some random guy claiming all of that without showing any proof, and you actually think this video debunks anything at all?...

First of all, even the main AGW proponents were mailing each other messages that they couldn't account for the lack of warming... They also mailed each other "tricks" to use such as taking out data points which showed cooling, etc, etc.

There have been studies that show northern hemisphere temperatures from 2,000 years ago and the trend has been cooling. It was warmer during the Medieval, the Roman and the Minoan warming periods. BTW, yes the Earth has been warming since the 1600s, but it hasn't and it isn't warmer than it was during past warming cycles.

Not to mention that it is a fact that the Earth has been warming since the early 1600s, almost 300 years before the height of the industrial revolution.

So, you, and your friend did not debunk anything at all Grimpachi. This just shows desperation on your part.

Here a real history of earth clima without the pay off to support global warming scam

A Brief History of Ice Ages and Warming

Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.

Earth's climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.

Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

Global warming during Earth's current interglacial warm period has greatly altered our environment and the distribution and diversity of all life. For example:

Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.

By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bering Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America from Asia.

Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.

Is not misconceptions but history, recorded history

In the 1970s concerned environmentalists like Stephen Schneider of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado feared a return to another ice age due to manmade atmospheric pollution blocking out the sun.

Since about 1940 the global climate did in fact appear to be cooling. Then a funny thing happened-- sometime in the late 1970s temperature declines slowed to a halt and ground-based recording stations during the 1980s and 1990s began reading small but steady increases in near-surface temperatures. Fears of "global cooling" then changed suddenly to "global warming,"-- the cited cause:

manmade atmospheric pollution causing a runaway greenhouse effect.

What does geologic history have to offer in sorting through the confusion?

Quite a bit, actually.
"If 'ice age' is used to refer to long, generally cool, intervals during which glaciers advance and retreat, we are still in one today. Our modern climate represents a very short, warm period between glacial advances." Illinois State Museum

People, DO not fear a global warming, life thrive in warmer weather, fear an Ice age, because life can barely make it when the earth it frozen.

And that is a fact Jack, Global warming is a hoax, very soon all reliable data of hearth history of cycles will be erased from the internet in support of Global warming, that is my conspiracy theory

www.geocraft.com...