Chemtrails V.S. Contrails

Like many others, in the past few years I've been noticing these strange cloudy streaks across the sky, running from one end of the city to the other and beyond. One beautiful blue skies/sunny day, I'm leaving my house. I look up, and what do I see? This huge deformed cloudy streak going right over my house and past the horizon. I was heading to a friends house about ten kilometers away. He lives in a rather rural area near the edge of the Atlantic. I ride out there on my motorcycle, the chemtrail still clear as the moment I spotted it. I parked my bike at a large development site so I could record some footage of it. I pull out my phone, and low and behold adjacent to the chemtrail is a commercial airliner flying over head with the contrail trailing behind.

Chemtrail V.S. Contrail

After the recording, I went to my friends place down the street. By the time I get there, the contrail from the passenger plane is of course gone. I check outside about two hours later, and what do you know, the chemtrail is still there... Slowly dispersing and falling to the surface.


The evidence is irrefutable. If you still believe there is no difference after watching this, just go back to burying your head in the sand

Que Tsurfer........

If they are real, then I live in a hotspot, I've seen all kinds of mutant looking persistent contrails and or chemtrails.....kind of on the fence about the whole thing, it is odd

It's more likely that an altitude difference of 100s or possibly 1,000s of feet produced different contrails between the two planes. Weather varies a great deal at higher altitudes. Temperature, humidity, and wind speed can shift a great deal at different altitudes.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

The evidence is irrefutable. If you still believe there is no difference after watching this, just go back to burying your head in the sand

So have you researched this at all?

And I guess the biggest question would be do you know much about persistent contrails?

Because that is what was shown in the video...not a chemtrail.

originally posted by: ZeroReady
It's more likely that an altitude difference of 100s or possibly 1,000s of feet produced different contrails between the two planes. Weather varies a great deal at higher altitudes. Temperature, humidity, and wind speed can shift a great deal at different altitudes.

Well I can't say for certain what height they were at, but I've seen them spraying before and they appear to be no higher/lower than a regular commercial airliner.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

Well I can't say for certain what height they were at, but I've seen them spraying before and they appear to be no higher/lower than a regular commercial airliner.

Just wondering, because you have said you have seen them spraying but how do you know it was something being sprayed and not just contrails?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Gh0stwalker

So have you researched this at all?

And I guess the biggest question would be do you know much about persistent contrails?

Because that is what was shown in the video...not a chemtrail.

Now I know what GoShredAK meant....


Have I researched this at all? What do you mean exactly? Have I strapped on my jet pack and taken a sample of the stuff? I haven't quite gotten around to it yet...

Do I know much about persistent contrails? (That is a big question, think of that one yourself?) Are you asking if I've investigated the nature of persistent contrails? Or are you asking if I'm aware of persistent contrails?

I'll tell you what I am aware of. As an oddball type, I've been staring up at the sky for the better part of 20 years, hoping to catch a glimpse of something out of the ordinary. So I think I have a pretty good idea when something isn't quite right. I can tell you without a single doubt, that these awkward "contrails" have only been showing up within the past 3-5 years, at least around here. I would investigate further, but unfortunately my local air traffic control can't tell me anything about anything flying in our skies... Some kind of security BS.


I live in Canada by the way, to put things in perspective. Yes, it's reached us too.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

More than likely, you captured a persistent contrail. They are essentially man made clouds.
They can disappear in minutes, or last for hours and spread into cirrus clouds, all depending on the conditions at the altitude and location of the plane.

Chemtrails are a conspiracy with no basis in fact. If they are real, they they are the single most hidden secret, yet most openly displayed conspiracy in the history of Earth.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gh0stwalker
If they are real, they they are the single most hidden secret, yet most openly displayed conspiracy in the history of Earth.

Warmer, Sparky! Yer' gettin' warmer!

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting this... It's not a secret. The Obama administration openly admits to it under the guise of "Geoengineering". As if dumping aluminum, barium, etc. will counteract "global warming"... Give me a break.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

Now I know what GoShredAK meant....

Well then I must be doing something right.

Have I researched this at all? What do you mean exactly? Have I strapped on my jet pack and taken a sample of the stuff? I haven't quite gotten around to it yet...

Well I wasn't meaning you take one yourself, as there is enough info out there to do some good research...although if you have a jet pack getting a sample on your own would be great. And I know you don't have a jet pack...

Do I know much about persistent contrails? (That is a big question, think of that one yourself?) Are you asking if I've investigated the nature of persistent contrails? Or are you asking if I'm aware of persistent contrails?

The answer would be yes, and as far as persistent contrails I am no expert, but there are enough resources out there that answers most question you may have.

www.faa.gov...

So I think I have a pretty good idea when something isn't quite right. I can tell you without a single doubt, that these awkward "contrails" have only been showing up within the past 3-5 years, at least around here.

And what made these contrails awkward?

Those contrails have been around longer than 3-5 years, but you may not noticed them as much until someone made a big deal and decided to call them chemtrails.

I live in Canada by the way, to put things in perspective. Yes, it's reached us too.

It really doesn't matter about being in Canada, as planes leave contrails nearly everywhere on Earth even over Canada.

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Gh0stwalker
If they are real, they they are the single most hidden secret, yet most openly displayed conspiracy in the history of Earth.

Warmer, Sparky! Yer' gettin' warmer!

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting this... It's not a secret. The Obama administration openly admits to it under the guise of "Geoengineering". As if dumping aluminum, barium, etc. will counteract "global warming"... Give me a break.

I'd love to see that. I'll wait right here while you post the link. Thanks!

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
The evidence is irrefutable. If you still believe there is no difference after watching this, just go back to burying your head in the sand

There's no evidence in that video, just like there's no evidence of anything a few call "chemtrails". What is shown in that video are exactly the same things: contrails.

One contrail is fresh, so it's much smaller. The other contrail has been there for a while and has spread out. Just as clouds spread out sometimes.

Here's a photo from the 1960's showing fresh, thin contrails, and older, fatter contrails with some criss-crossing as well:




And here's some contrails from the 1940's made by the 91st Bomb Group:



When you look at how small the plane is on the right in the above image, you can see how the contrails have spread out from the planes that came before it.

Contrails spreading out in the sky isn't evidence of anything other than the frozen water molecules that make up contrails (and clouds, for that matter) being moved around by the high-altitude winds.


To learn about real contrail science, take some time to check out the Contrail Science website:

contrailscience.com...

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

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Don't drink the koolaid the "deny ignorance folks belittle" you with. It simply is what it is...No mystery.
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Yes yes we already know almighty ones. The site has already been debunked by an insider yadda yadda.

a reply to: superluminal11

Yes yes we already know almighty ones. The site has already been debunked by an insider yadda yadda.

No need for an insider as they tell you on the first page it isn't real...

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Please note what it says in the bold print.

originally posted by: superluminal11

Yes yes we already know almighty ones. The site has already been debunked by an insider yadda yadda.

Disclaimer
2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The
views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the
United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.
This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or
events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.
This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared
for public release.

From page 2 of your document. It was a research paper done by USAF cadets. But you already knew that, you just hope that nobody else is smart enough to read it beyond the title. Great form.

Another video that I have shared several times

originally posted by: Kuroodo
Another video that I have shared several times

Yes lots of people share it.

And they say that it is proof - but all I see is one contrail that is more persistent than another - there is no indication of what height the 2 a/c are at - and some people say they are at the same height - without a shred of evidence to support that.

WE know that contrails can be persistent and non persistent in the same sky - because the sky is not the same everywhere - just look at clouds to see that - there are volumes of sky with clouds - yet 100 feet outside the cloud there is no cloud - the conditions can be different enough in the space of 100 feet!

Saying this video is "proof of chemtrails" is dishonest.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
...WE know that contrails can be persistent and non persistent in the same sky - because the sky is not the same everywhere - just look at clouds to see that - there are volumes of sky with clouds - yet 100 feet outside the cloud there is no cloud - the conditions can be different enough in the space of 100 feet!

Saying this video is "proof of chemtrails" is dishonest.

Exactly. Look at a sky that has a combination of both clouds and blue sky. The part of the air in which there are clouds have atmospheric conditions that are conducive to clouds (hence the clouds). The parts of the sky that are blue have atmospheric conditions that are not conducive to clouds.

The same thing can be said about planes that produce a persistent contrail, versus planes that produce a short-lived contrail, versus planes that produce no contrail at all. The difference is most likely due to differences in the atmosphere though which each plane is flying.

As for that video, Two planes in the sky could be separated by as little as 1000 feet vertically or 3000 feet horizontally. The difference between a plane at 33,000 feet and one at 34,000 or 35,000 feet is not that noticeable from the ground (almost 7 miles away). Just like the conditions conducive to clouds can vary, the conditions at 33,000 feet may be conducive to contrails, but not at 35,000 feet.

Actually, the OP video shows (2) two chemtrails. Contrails are all chemtrails. Chemtrailing with water vapor and carbon dioxide is very bad for the atmosphere and makes a major contribution to global warming. It doesn't really matter if the chemtrail persists or not as far as ill effects go.

Every 6.8 lbs. of jet fuel burned (1 gallon) produces just over 3 times that amount of weight in carbon dioxide and just over 1.25 times that amount of weight in water vapor. The 777 holds 51,585 gallons of fuel. On any average day there are 100,000 flights in the air. I have seen a number as high as 300,000 and 100,000 seems a little low because the U.S. alone has 87,000 flights a day. Average cruise altitude is 30,000 to 40,000 feet.

Water vapor and carbon dioxide are both greenhouse gases. That means that they cause the earth to warm. Some is good because without them, earth would be too cold for us to live on. There are natural sources, in balance, that supply the right amount of water vapor and carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. There are even mechanisms that propel some of it, on occasion, very high into the atmosphere.

Excess is bad because it causes global warming. There are no estimates of how much excess water vapor and carbon dioxide aviation delivers to the troposphere and upper troposphere (although we could easily figure that out from the numbers in the first paragraph and from the numbers here to follow) but there is an estimate of water vapor contribution by aviation to the stratosphere (a normally very dry area.) Page 12 tells us that every year the stratosphere receives 40 MT of water vapor from volcanoes and tropical storms. It receives another 40 MT of water vapor from the oxidation of methane. Aviation (in 2004) contributed 290 MT of water vapor to the stratosphere.

Climate Change and the Stratosphere

a reply to: luxordelphi

I sure hope you don't own a car. It leaves invisible chemtrails everywhere it goes. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.