Did Obama or Shadow Government Try To Nuke Our Own Country Last Year?

Graham and Obama are from the same circles. They tend to agree on the larger agendas.

I think they wanted to nuke to create anarchy and pose and saviors with a new communist style government. Got to get rid of that pesky constitution u know. It's the same methodology of how dictators take over a country. In chaos they can eliminate opposition to form an autocratic system.

originally posted by: amfirst1
Graham and Obama are from the same circles. They tend to agree on the larger agendas.

I think they wanted to nuke to create anarchy and pose and saviors with a new communist style government. Got to get rid of that pesky constitution u know. It's the same methodology of how dictators take over a country. In chaos they can eliminate opposition to form an autocratic system.

Lindsey Graham is a secret communist? I've heard some of the, um, odder claims about Obama (He's a sooper seekrit comm'nist, socialist, moooslim whose father was Malcolm X and whose mother was trained in Moscow! Alex Jones/Andy Schlafly/Glen Beck told me!) but Lindsey Graham? Seriously? C'mon people, this is a non-story. It's nonsense. It's the latest example of people connecting the dots where no such dots exist and creating a conspiracy out of a series of unrelated facts. It isn't in the Hoax section because of some secret ATS deal with the US Government, it's here because it's a load of fetid dingoes kidneys.

a reply to: MKMoniker

THis report re-enforces a Kerry Cassidy whistleblower evidence to the same effect

originally posted by: learnatic
a reply to: MKMoniker

THis report re-enforces a Kerry Cassidy whistleblower evidence to the same effect

Isn't Kerry Cassidy the nutjob who claims that there's a sooper seekrit space program that battles alien AI's with other AIs, as China is in fact allied to black goo from space?

a reply to: amfirst1

"(Lindsey) Graham and Obama are from the same circles. They tend to agree on the larger agendas. I think they wanted to nuke to create anarchy and pose and saviors with a new communist style government."

Not exactly. Lindsey Graham represents Charleston, S. Carolina, where the (3 stolen nukes) were bound. So he had been tipped off, obviously. Only a little later did the story morph to "the nukes will be detonated unless we intervene against Syria."

Exactly how these "3 stolen nukes" were going to be used is still being debated. Most versions say they were to create a devastating EMP-wave to totally destroy our electronic and electrical infrastructure. (The fabled "nuke 'em back to the stone age".) We don't have any planes capable of taking the nukes that high up for one bomb to take out the entire U.S. with one EMP wave. And the Air Forces' low-orbiting SpacePlane, which has been up there for years, was recently brought back to Earth.

So they were going to have to settle for a low-atmo explosion (which may have occurred Nov. 4-5, 2014, due to spiked background radiation data) or just bombing a city like Charleston. I believe these were real events in the planning, and recent articles have revealed how exposed, vulnerable and loosely-protected our nuclear stockpile really are.

And these unbelievably evil plans came straight out of the White House, with help from elements in the Pentagon. (Team Obama does NOT want to ever leave the White House, and Valerie Jarrett was quoted in 2012 saying "This is out last election. There won't be another one.")

You probably will never get an admission from the government about these very real events. But the better elements in the Pentagon are taking remedial action, from reports and changes in how to guard/manage our nuclear stockpile. To changes in the military troops they are releasing due to budget constraints:

www.nytimes.com...
ARMY FORCING OUT OFFICERS WHO CAME UP THRU RANKS

a reply to: MKMoniker

But of course Valerie Jarrett would say that - Obama will retire in 2016 as he won't be able to stand again! You're contradicting yourself now - you pointed out how badly run the US nuclear forces are but then you attack Obama and the Pentagon for firing the officers who are responsible for the worst of the failings! There's still no proof, just the wild claims of people who love causing reactions like this! Good grief, what next - Obama's plans to replace the US people with evil robot versions of themselves?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

"You're contradicting yourself now."

Not really. I have a very good memory and can think quite straight. The real problem is how Team Obama has no hesitation rewriting-history. (Have you seen the latest incarnation of Bruce Willis' "Die Hard2"? The airport where all the action takes place has morph'ed from Denver to Dulles!)

And Valerie Jarrett, with her 30 aides and 30 Secret Service Agents, has "rewritten history" before. I first read that she had tried 4 times to get Obama to go after (an already dead since Dec. 2001) Osama bin Laden. Then the story morphed that VJ had in fact "stopped" Obama 4 times from going after bin Laden. Yeah right ...

So the controversial quote attributed to her before the 2012 Presidential Election, has morph'ed from someone overhearing her say it in the White House, to being repeated by her rep to Obama's Chicago campaign office before the 2012 election. But no one argues that it originally came from Valerie Jarrett herself. And the full quote is even more chilling:

aaenemies.blogspot.com...
VALERIE JARRETT: "AFTER WE WIN THIS ..."
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over, and we have two judges ready to go.”

(I'd say the exact quote of "No election to worry about after this is over, and we have two judges ready to go," says it all. Team Obama has NO intention of ever vacating the White House.)

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"... you pointed out how badly run the US nuclear forces are but then you attack Obama and the Pentagon for firing the officers who are responsible for the worst of the failings! There's still no proof, just the wild claims of people who love causing reactions like this!"

As far as the "fired officers", Yes, there has been steady trickle of firings of Air Force officers in charge of loosely-guarded nukes. But there is a huge difference between those AF officers, and the handful of top Army and Navy military officers who re-stole the nukes and detonated them in the Atlantic - TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

www.erikrush.com...
EX-CIA AGENT CLAIMS MILITARY OFFICERS THWARTED A TEAM OBAMA NUKE/EMP ATTACK THE FALL OF 2013
Obama ordered 3 nukes be transported in a major breach of protocol and safety regulations, with the intent to set off the three nukes to devastate all computer systems in the continental U.S., and throw America into total chaos.

2 Army Generals and 1 Navy Admiral reportedly took it upon themselves to stop the plan. The Admiral took one (or more) nukes several hundred miles off South Carolina and detonated it deep in the ocean. The 2 Army Generals made the other couple nukes disappear harmlessly too. All three have been fired.

a reply to: MKMoniker

I'm sorry, but I am still totally unconvinced. The sources seem to be certifiable in places, the comments have been analysed to death and still seem to be deeply weak and the entire premise is flawed. It's predicated on the fact that Obama is some kind of inhuman monster who has been plotting the death of millions of fellow Americans. Why is it that we keep seeing these kind of (no offense to the OP) insane threads throughout this website that claim that Obama is a communist/Kenyan/the son of Malcom X/sooper seekrit muslim??? What thread of madness is infecting people when it comes to this man? He's the President of the United States. Why the poison? Why the hatred? Why the insanity? I suspect that I know the answer and it's worrying me a great deal.

a reply to: MKMoniker

So wait....They detonated this nuclear weapon deep in the ocean, which would have completely absorbed the blast, but somehow people hundreds of miles away saw the flash, and it left a cloud that the ISS saw? How does THAT work?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MKMoniker

So wait....They detonated this nuclear weapon deep in the ocean, which would have completely absorbed the blast, but somehow people hundreds of miles away saw the flash, and it left a cloud that the ISS saw? How does THAT work?

Because: sooper seekrit Obama plot!

(Flees wailing in terror)

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

"It's predicated on the fact that Obama is some kind of inhuman monster who has been plotting the death of millions of fellow Americans."

Barack Obama himself has been a puppet from the beginning. Multiple unsavory Agendas saw him as their personal ticket to power, and did every underhanded/illegal thing to accomplish that. And Team Obama behaved from the beginning like the U.S. government (and treasury) was their personal playground:

1) Obama spent more money in his first year in office (2009) than any other President - ever.

2) Team Obama dragged their feet filling Inspector General slots, indicating a desire to do some very unsavory things while enriching themselves. (The State Department had NO IG the entire time Hillary was Secretary. After she left they finally hired an IG, and the first thing he found was $6 Billion unaccounted for under Hillary!)

3) Team Obama has also spent lavishly on shoring up their voter base. More people today are on welfare, disability and/or unemployment than ever before in U.S. history. AND they secretly rewrote the Welfare rules thru the Dept. of Housing - not Congress - so people could get welfare for just ... bed rest, or reading a motivational book.

4) Even with our economy crumbling, Team Obama sent $46 Billion overseas (only revealed by a Federal Reserve audit) to shore up foreign banks and companies. Doubtful it has all been paid back.

5) Team Obama has also sent billions to African countries to ... help teach their youth how to vote.

6) Also a historical first, several credit agencies have downgraded our Credit Rating. Meaning we are paying more interest on our ever-higher national debt.

So, No, Obama is not "plotting the murder of millions". But he and his Team have been busy from the beginning, stealing every penny they can AND trying to install a fascist government that they hope can shut down all elections. And one of their idiot ideas involved the "3 stolen nukes" to create an EMP wave to destroy our electronic and electrical infrastructure.

originally posted by: MKMoniker
Oama behaved from the beginning like the U.S. government (and treasury) was their personal playground:

Obama spent more money in his first year in office (2009) than any other President - ever.

A simple check shows that is just a silly made up anti Obama story.
www.forbes.com...

Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower........ It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

a reply to: MKMoniker

I'm sorry, but that's a load of total honk. Obama came to power just after Bush had signed the TARP Act, spending an ocean of money on crappy CDOs and CDSs which had blown Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers apart and which were threatening to destroy half the investment banks on Wall Street and beggar the other half, due to their stupidity and greed. The depression that followed was a savage one, so I imagine that there are a lot of people who were quite grateful for the unemployment payments. I also note that 'shoring up their voter base' failed in 2010 and 2014. Team Bush also sent large amounts of money abroad to places like Africa. And ever since 2010 the Republicans have, in their unwisdom, been blocking as many of Obama's nominees for posts in his government as possible, because... well, out of petulant spite. As for this plan to explode EMPs and shut down the elections - I see no proof whatsoever, other than to classify it as yet another wild allegation of attempted illegality on the part of the President of the United States. Where do these mad theories come from? Why are they being levelled? How can Obama now be a fascist? He seems to be doing a pretty bad job at it, having failed to shut Congress down, imprison his enemies and then ship them off to concentration camps!

a reply to: Zaphod58

Obviously, the nukes were detonated above the water - but away from land. Multiple witnesses saw a "flash" on that day which they reported to UFO sites. And the ISS photographed an orangeish donut cloud over that same spot in the Atlantic, as the cloud dissipated.

There was also a 4.5 earthquake recorded in that area of the Atlantic near our Eastern Seaboard, in an area that had no tectonic faults. This puzzled me at first, but after more research I realize that the 4.5 'quake was caused by the above-water nuke. Mainly since there are small quakes recorded all the time in the Atlantic, and most are probably just passing ships on the surface, or big submarines:

earthquaketrack.com...
EARTHQUAKE TRACK: NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN
Scroll down to see all the recent 1-3 magnitude quakes recorded in the North Atlantic. (If these were on land, they would be equivalent to a big truck passing by.)

Thanks for prompting me to clarify this aspect.

a reply to: MKMoniker

You have said repeatedly, and almost all of the stories claiming this happened have clearly said "2 Army Generals and 1 Navy Admiral reportedly took it upon themselves to stop the plan. The Admiral took one (or more) nukes several hundred miles off South Carolina and detonated it deep in the ocean. The 2 Army Generals made the other couple nukes disappear harmlessly too. All three have been fired."

Now that you've been called on it, you're back tracking.

I still want to know how the flash was seen several hundred miles away, over the curve of the horizon, and how the ISS missed the mushroom cloud, flash, and all the the other effects.

a reply to: Zaphod58

"I still want to know how the flash was seen several hundred miles away, over the curve of the horizon, and how the ISS missed the mushroom cloud, flash, and all the the other effects."

For starters, this story is still "officially denied" - which is why it's in [HOAX]. The ISS didn't "miss" the primary flash - it just couldn't release any data/photos besides the donut-cloud remnants. There are plenty of satellites up there too, besides the ISS, that track nuclear explosions. But it's doubtful the data ever gets released to the public:

www.quora.com...
COULD A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION BE SEEN FROM SPACE?
"Yes, instruments on satellites like the Bhangmeter are used to detect nuclear weapons detonations and enforce test ban treaties. Nuclear weapons have a very distinct "DOUBLE FLASH" signature. Instruments to detect nuclear explosions are installed on US military satellites, including GPS satellites, which can use the precise arrival times of the light from nuclear explosions to calculate where and when the explosion originated."

Then again, I just found this article, about a missile-launch SEEN FROM THE ISS (dated Oct. 11, 2013) around the time of the nuke detonation in the Atlantic (Oct. 8, 2014):

news.discovery.com...
MYSTERIOUS EARTH MISSILE LAUNCH SEEN FROM ISS - EARLY OCTOBER 2013
"Last night, ESA/Italian astronaut Luca Parmitano posted some bizarre photos via his Twitter account from the International Space Station. A mystery rocket contrail could be seen rising above the Earth’s twilight horizon.

"This oddity was all the more strange as there were no scheduled launches by NASA (due to the government shutdown) or from any U.S. commercial spaceflight company. Russia and Europe also had no scheduled launches at that time. Still, something had been fired into space."

(Did someone see the nuke-flash over the Atlantic, and think we were under attack? And launched a missile as a "warning shot"? The Navy did that a year or so earlier, 35 miles off San Diego, to "warn" the Chinese ship/sub that had tested their scalar weapons on our Cruise Ship in the Pacific which had started a crippling fire.)

The mystery of this VERY REAL event only deepens ...

According to this Fox News report from October 2013, the missile launch seen days after the nuke-detonation over the Atlantic near the Carolinas, was a yearly missile test launch from Russia:

www.foxnews.com...
ISS ASTRONAUTS SEE TEST MISSILE LAUNCH FROM RUSSIA
"A missile launch seen from space: an unexpected surprise!" Parmitano wrote in a post on Oct. 11. One of the Italian astronaut's photos shows a curving contrail left in the missile's wake and another features a wispy cloud formed in space after the missile disintegrated.

"Russia's Strategic Rocket Forces launched the missile, according to a blog post on RussianForces.org. The Topol/SS-25 missile launched from Kapustin Yar to the Sary Shagan test site in Kazakhstan.

"According to a representative of the Rocket Forces, the test was used to confirm characteristics of the Topol missile, to test the systems of the Sary Shagan test site, and 'to test new combat payload for intercontinental ballistic missiles,'" RussianForces.org wrote on Oct. 10.

(Again, the timing is a little suspicious, since Russia's previous test was in June 2012. So they obviously "test launch" the Topol whenever they want. And launching a few days after detecting the Oct. 8, 2013 nuke-explosion over the Atlantic, may have been a warning, since the Russian statement said the launch was "to test a new combat payload for intercontinental ballistic missiles." Did the Russians detect the nuke explosion near the Eastern Seaboard a few days earlier, and think we'd violated a Nuclear Accord?)

originally posted by: MKMoniker
And launching a few days after detecting the Oct. 8, 2013 nuke-explosion over the Atlantic, may have been a warning, since the Russian statement said the launch was "to test a new combat payload for intercontinental ballistic missiles.")

The Navy did that a year or so earlier, 35 miles off San Diego, to "warn" the Chinese ship/sub that had tested their scalar weapons on our Cruise Ship in the Pacific which had started a crippling fire.)

You have GOT to be kidding me. You SERIOUSLY think that nuclear missiles are fired as WARNINGS?! Because, you know, no one would EVER mistake that for an honest to god real missile launch, and I don't know, RETALIATE or anything. Give me a freaking break.

a reply to: Zaphod58

"You have GOT to be kidding me. You SERIOUSLY think that nuclear missiles are fired as WARNINGS?! Because, you know, no one would EVER mistake that for an honest to god real missile launch, and I don't know, RETALIATE or anything. Give me a freaking break."

Kindly re-read my last posts. The Russians decided to launch an intercontinental missile that was NOT armed with a nuclear warhead, but obviously "capable" of carrying such a killer payload ('to test new combat payload for intercontinental ballistic missiles,'" RussianForces.org wrote on Oct. 10.) Testing a "new combat payload" in a missile test is military saber-rattling for "We clearly detected your illegal nuclear test over the Atlantic near your Eastern Seaboard a few days ago, and wanted you to know we have similar or better nuclear weapons."

And the missile launch off San Diego a few years ago had no nuclear payload either. The MISSILE ITSELF was just a warning to the Chinese, "We know what you did, and this is to let you know we can find your craft if you ever pull this again. And next time, the missile may not be unarmed."

The main point here, is that the Russians detected the "stolen nuke" detonation over the Atlantic on Oct. 8, 2013, and really thought it was an official "test" - in violation of our nuclear treaties - instead of a scary "rogue nuke" event.

a reply to: MKMoniker

It doesn't matter if they're armed or not. Nuclear capable missile launches are announced ahead of time precisely to prevent misunderstandings. You don't casually launch a nuclear missile as a warning.

A missile launch in the 80s resulted in a retaliatory strike being ordered and the launch codes being given to the missile commander. Fortunately he chose to wait and saw it was just a satellite and didn't launch.

Launching ANY missile as a "we know what you did" warning is the height of stupidity.