Did Obama or Shadow Government Try To Nuke Our Own Country Last Year?

a reply to: Zaphod58

"It doesn't matter if they're armed or not. Nuclear capable missile launches are announced ahead of time precisely to prevent misunderstandings. You don't casually launch a nuclear missile as a warning."

The Navy did - while the crippled Cruise Ship was being towed back to port. And everyone denied it - as expected:

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(2010) YOU TUBE - MYSTERY MISSILE LAUNCH WEST, 35 MILES FROM SAN DIEGO

And yes, I've read several lists of "programming errors" that almost launched nuclear weapons. And we all are grateful to seasoned commanders who wisely took the "wait and see" approach:

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FAMOUS SOFTWARE DISASTERS
"#4: Disaster: The Soviet early warning system falsely indicated the United States had launched five ballistic missiles. Fortunately the Soviet duty officer had a “funny feeling in my gut” and reasoned if the U.S. was really attacking they would launch more than five missiles, so he reported the apparent attack as a false alarm.

"Cause: A bug in the Soviet software failed to filter out false missile detections caused by sunlight reflecting off cloud-tops."

"Launching ANY missile as a "we know what you did" warning is the height of stupidity."

I agree. But Russia doesn't play by the same rules. And they are very pro-active when they detect a real-time threat - especially of the nuclear variety.

a reply to: MKMoniker

Wow. I've seen some absurd claims over the years but this one is way up there. When it comes to nuclear weapons EVERYONE plays by the same rules. That's how you keep from USING said weapons.

I'm not talking about failed computer chips. If a missile launch was detected and confirmed and there was no warning, that's totally different from a failed chip.

a reply to: Zaphod58

"I'm not talking about failed computer chips. If a missile launch was detected and confirmed and there was no warning, that's totally different from a failed chip."

Then take it up with the Italian astronaut on the ISS who sent the message and photo to Twitter.

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(Oct. 2013) RUSSIAN TOPOL MISSILE TEST SPOTTED FROM ISS

"Wow. I've seen some absurd claims over the years but this one is way up there. When it comes to nuclear weapons EVERYONE plays by the same rules. That's how you keep from USING said weapons."

You are forgetting the "human" part of the equation, who can and have "lost" nuclear weapons. (Not counting the "3 stolen nukes" addressed by this discussion, which was clearly a deliberate criminal act.)

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8 NUCLEAR WEAPONS THE U.S. HAS "LOST"

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(Nov. 2014) PENTAGON STILL IGNORING INQUIRIES ABOUT THEIR "LOST" NUCLEAR WEAPONS

a reply to: MKMoniker

What does that have to do with it? You think that they didn't tell anyone that they were launching it, because an ISS astronaut saw it? Neither side announces it publicly before it happens, but they tell the other governments ahead of time.

Yeah, and? Russia has lost a bunch of them too. As many as 50 weapons were lost in accidents during the Cold War. What does that have to do with anything?

Yes there's a human factor, but the people ordering the missile tests don't want to die just like the rest of us don't want to die. They're not stupid. Arrogant, condescending, and many other things, but they're not stupid. A single missile launch that's mistaken for a valid attack is going to be met with a total launch by the other side, and everyone loses.

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SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HAGEL PUSHED TO RESIGN
The official excuse is that he stayed silent during Cabinet and National Security discussions, preferring to speak to Obama one on one, instead of saying anything that might be "leak worthy." This might indicate a level of secrecy consistent with Ultra Black Ops projects, like the "3 stolen nukes," or subjects only between Obama and Hagel.

Hagel's also been criticized for being Obama's toadie in regards to the firing of the military's Best&Brightest, like the heroic officers from multiple branches who were fired last Fall for restealing the stolen nukes and detonating them harmlessly over the Atlantic. And a series of events this serious and ultra-secret could have certainly forged a bond between Hagel and Obama - especially if Hagel had a hand in it, or made Obama's wishes "happen."

Hagel, a former enlisted sergeant who served in VietNam, was probably more trust-worthy to Obama than a better qualified, top military officer. But along with that trust, came some incredibly serious and frightening issues last Fall, that may have been hatched between just Obama and Hagel.

Even the comments seems to indicate that people think there is a LOT more to this issue than what is being released. Is Obama firing Hagel as a scape-goat? Others think Hagel stood up to Obama, and refused to be just another "Yes" man. If so, why was he silent in the larger meetings?

The top name the media is pushing for a replacement is a woman who heads a Think Tank. So don't expect anyone better than Hagel as the next SecDef....

originally posted by: MKMoniker
detonating them harmlessly over the Atlantic.

You are very confused, you claimed that they were detonated

several hundred miles off South Carolina and detonated it deep in the ocean.

Now you are claiming they were detonated

over the Atlantic.

This is what happens when people make silly stories up, they get very confused about what they posted before, as it is just made up!

a reply to: hellobruce

This topic (like UFOs and ETs) is "officially denied" - which is why it is in the [HOAX] forum. So researching it has been long and arduous, with lots of circumstantial ("maybe - maybe not") evidence presented. I still think it is a true story (not a "made up silly story") around a real event. So there are MANY "confusing" elements to be sorted thru - like how the story has morph'ed from the goal being an EMP wave to kill the entire country's electronic infrastructure, to a threat to detonate if we didn't get into Syria's civil war.

And the exact information about a nuclear bomb detonation is classified, so I sorted thru the evidence presented (from the 4.5 earthquake on the Atlantic sea bottom, to the witnesses who saw and reported the "flash" as UFO reports) and finally decided that it must have been an above-water detonation. If I come across better evidence saying otherwise, I will post that too.

"Officially denied" events like this always have lots of inconsistencies, because there is a lamestream media black-out. And following a trail of leaks is primarily an exercise in finding corroboration.

And changing one's mind during a research project shows an open, facile mind - neither "confused" nor "silly."

a reply to: MKMoniker

So if it was above the surface now, how was it recorded on non government seismographs at over 6 miles underground?

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AIR FORCE DRUG PROBE SNARES 1st NUKE MISSILEER
"The Air Force is court-martialing a nuclear missile launch officer on drug and obstruction-of-justice charges stemming from a criminal investigation that led to the disclosure last winter of a separate exam-cheating scandal that implicated nearly 100 nuclear officers."

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(Nov. 14, 2014) KEY FINDINGS IN ASSOCIATED PRESS NUCLEAR MISSILE CORPS PROBE
"Over the past year and a half, The Associated Press has documented evidence of security problems, low morale and other troubles in the nation's nuclear missile corps."

- In April 2013, 19 launch officers in the 91st Missile Wing at Minot Air Force Base, North Dakota, were taken off duty and given weeks of remedial training after being found unfit to perform. The wing's deputy commander of operations complained of "rot" in the force. The officer in charge of crew training and proficiency was fired.

—The 341st Missile Wing at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, failed a safety-and-security inspection. Nine days later, the officer in charge of security forces was relieved of duty.

(This is an odd story, since AP is Team Obama's pocket-media - always ready with supposedly "explanatory," pre-written stories after Obama wins the 2008 and 2012 elections - and I've NEVER before heard of them being asked to conduct an inspection of the Air Force's nuclear forces, starting in April 2013.

(In fact, I've NEVER heard of a media supplier or wire service being asked to investigate a branch of the U.S. military, or allowed access to Top Secret military data like whoever did this inspection apparently had access to. But Team Obama has no problem "rewriting history."

(Is this "AP investigation" just a whitewash to protect whoever DID do the investigation? A civilian enterprise to act as a firewall around the "three stolen nukes" reality last Fall? If this AP investigation started last April, it must have been extremely secret and not very thorough, since I've already documented how there were transfers of key military officers in June through August 2013, to facilitate this almost-crises of stolen nukes.

(Or is this Drug Probe, Failed Inspections and Test Cheating Scandal in the Air Force over the past year and a half, just excuses to fire all parties to the "3 stolen nukes" scenario, without having to admit to the stolen nukes? Especially since they've included the white wash of the firing of Maj. Gen. Michael Carey "for embarrassing, drunken behavior in Russia" - when he was actually one of the top officers who risked everything to re-steal the nukes and detonate them harmlessly over the Atlantic.

(Or is this all just an attempt to white wash Hagel's possible involvement, now that he's been forced to resign as Defense Secretary? "Protect my career - since I was taking orders from YOU - or I'll squeal about the "3 stolen nukes" last year!" And Ashton Carter, Hagel's possible replacement, is more a diplomatic scientist, since he's never served in the military:

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ASHTON CARTER

a reply to: MKMoniker

Are you still beating this mound of equine bones?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

You obviously don't find it odd that a civilian wire service supposedly investigated a branch of the U.S. Military? When each branch has their own internal law/judicial enforcement and investigators? And the Navy's exam cheating scandal story was released by Homeland Security's "news wire" - NOT AP!

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(Feb. 2014) U.S. NAVY PROBES EXAM CHEATING AT SCHOOL FOR NUCLEAR POWER REACTOR OPERATORs
"Yet another military service is facing allegations of exam-cheating. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force launched a probe into a cheating scandal involving about 100 officersat Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, who are responsible for maintaining and operating land-based nuclear missiles.

"Now the U.S. Navy is investigating about one-fifth of its trainers at the school for naval nuclear power reactor operators in Charleston, South Carolina. The sailors are accused of cheating on written tests required to obtain certification as instructors at the nuclear propulsion school."

(And that Naval school is located in ... Charleston, South Carolina! Again, I think these "cheating scandals" were for the Air Force and Navy to get rid of anyone and everyone associated with or who participated in the October 2013 "3 stolen nukes" incident.)

originally posted by: MKMoniker
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

You obviously don't find it odd that a civilian wire service supposedly investigated a branch of the U.S. Military? When each branch has their own internal law/judicial enforcement and investigators? And the Navy's exam cheating scandal story was released by Homeland Security's "news wire" - NOT AP!

www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com...
(Feb. 2014) U.S. NAVY PROBES EXAM CHEATING AT SCHOOL FOR NUCLEAR POWER REACTOR OPERATORs
"Yet another military service is facing allegations of exam-cheating. Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force launched a probe into a cheating scandal involving about 100 officersat Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, who are responsible for maintaining and operating land-based nuclear missiles.

"Now the U.S. Navy is investigating about one-fifth of its trainers at the school for naval nuclear power reactor operators in Charleston, South Carolina. The sailors are accused of cheating on written tests required to obtain certification as instructors at the nuclear propulsion school."

(And that Naval school is located in ... Charleston, South Carolina! Again, I think these "cheating scandals" were for the Air Force and Navy to get rid of anyone and everyone associated with or who participated in the October 2013 "3 stolen nukes" incident.)

Given the many problems that has plagued the USA's missile arm, I think that the journalists at the AP are simply doing their jobs. They're not carrying out a formal investigation into the military, they're doing what any journalist would do and report on what the military was doing. John Oliver did something similar (and terrifyingly funny) a while back on Last Week Tonight - www.youtube.com...

a reply to: MKMoniker

They didn't "investigate" anything. They documented the AIR FORCE reports of problems.

a reply to: MKMoniker

You do realize that there is a world of difference between Nuclear Power and Nuclear Weapons, yes?

The schools in Goose Creek (not Charleston BTW), are for nuclear power plants located aboard ships and subs. They receive NO education on nuclear weapons.

That is a completely different school and rating in the US Navy. I know. I've helped handle those weapons.

Nuke ETs and Nuke MMs have NOTHING to do with nuclear missiles. Never have, never will. The would be completely clueless on how to handle the weapon. They are never involved in weapon transfers.

Try instead looking into the enlisted ratings that actually DO handle those weapons....

a reply to: Zaphod58

Because, as I've already shown, there are a hundred little-quakes every month in the North Atlantic, as the big commercial ships pass by on the surface, and are recorded in the 1-3 magnitude range. (If they were terrestrial quakes, it would feel like a big truck driving past.) USGS.gov's Earthquake Listings are only for land or big ocean quakes in the past day or so. They don't list every, small ocean quake like this site:

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EARTHQUAKE TRACK - NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN

"How was it recorded on non government seismographs at over 6 miles underground?"

(If you read the bottom of the page, ALL the seismic data comes from the "official" USGS.gov." This site was just created with better graphics and stats, to make earthquakes more understandable for the general public.

(The "kilometers depth" has always puzzled me, but geologists can triangulate to figure out the exact earthquake starting point. In the oceans, I don't know if USGS is triangulating from buoys and/or ocean bottom sensors, or even satellites. And even USGS occasionally gives out strange "starting points" for some earthquakes, like 0.0 to indicate it was ground-level, I guess.

a reply to: MKMoniker

I guess you missed or ignored the NON part of NON-governmental. There are a number of universities that have their own equipment that published it.

And a nuclear detonation has a totally different signature from an earthquake, that even untrained people can see.

a reply to: Zaphod58

"They didn't "investigate" anything. They documented the AIR FORCE reports of problems."

The article I linked to at Yahoo, had the headline "Key Findings in AP Nuclear Missile Corps Probe." And the first sentence read: "Over the past year and a half, the Associated Press has documented evidence of security problems, low morale and other troubles in the nation's nuclear missile corps."

Use of the word "probe" indicates more of an "investigation" than just a "here's-our-fax-number, send-us-anything-relevant."

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"In late January, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered an independent review of the nuclear force and summoned the most senior Pentagon leaders to discuss its missteps, leadership lapses and personnel problems."

I doubt Sec.Def. Hagel would have waited until January 2014 if AP was steadily reporting on lapses and dangerous conditions at nuclear Air Force bases. And I don't remember even seeing media stories on most of these incidents, mainly just the couple AF nuke bases, Malmstrom and F.E. Warren.

Although, historically, Minot AFB in North Dakota has had the most problems:

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MINOT AFB CLANDESTINE NUKES 'ODDITIES'
""We are, in fact, in a crisis right now," the commander, Lt. Col. Jay Folds, wrote in an internal email obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by the Air Force. The tip-off to trouble was a March inspection of the 91st Missile Wing at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., which earned the equivalent of a "D" grade when tested on its mastery of Minuteman III missile launch operations."

(NOTE: "an internal e-mail obtained by the AP and confirmed by the Air Force". So who was "feeding" the AP internal Air Force memos?)

It's possible some Congressmen paid AP to chronicle our domestic military bases with nuclear weapons, perhaps due to Intelligence that "something" was about to happen on American soil, that might be related to nuclear weapons. (Remember those "rogue" cell phone towers discovered months ago, all near a military base?)

a reply to: MKMoniker

Notice the key word that you're ignoring. DOCUMENTED. Not investigated, documented. The Air Force released the information themselves and the AP put it together. If you bother to read the stories as they were released everyone of them had an Air Force source.

Wow, now journalists have to be paid off to run stories? Especially big ones like this?

a reply to: eriktheawful

"You do realize that there is a world of difference between Nuclear Power and Nuclear Weapons, yes?"

Yes, of course. And since this "3 stolen nukes" story continues to be "officially denied", I look for possibly relevant events around the October 2013 detonation over the Atlantic, AND any and all "fall-out" later among the involved military personnel.

I find it hard to believe that the Navy's Goose Creek nuclear reactor schools never got a whiff of the Stolen Air Force nukes being shipped to Charleston. And, wanting to avoid national embarrassment (and global fear) about our shoddy handling of our nuclear weapons, these "cheating scandals" could have been created or expanded to get rid of the involved officers/enlisted in the well-buried "3 stolen nukes" incident.

a reply to: MKMoniker

I''m sorry, but what in the world would a Nuclear Propulsion school have anything to do with nuclear weapons?

Are you not understanding this?

I can speak with authority on this: NOTHING.

One is teaching sailors how a nuclear pile works. The other are weapons that are designed NOTHING like a nuclear pile.

By the way: I also live here in South Carolina.

Didn't see a nuke detonated off the coast, sorry. Even a small weapon would have been very, very apparent.