You have all been duped.

NeonKnight...LOL I smell a little red warning possibly on the way. Wish I could hang around watch this but DH is digging out the truck so I can get to work as the car is going no where.....

People cool down.

If you can't discuss this topic without going at each other and trying to ridicule the other... Don't post.

Thank you very much.

[edit on 24-12-2004 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by NeonKnight

I love your tolerance of other peoples views, anyone who does not believe in your Govt/UFO/Media/Alien conspiracy is ignorant and waiting to grow up.

Lovely!

That's jumping to conclusions....

There is proof of that in Roswell 1947, of a strange metal, as thin as tin foil, that does not dent, burn or cut, and returns to it's original shape post-stress. It was handeled by dozens of people, as well as the air force and a colonel. Today, that technology is known as shape memory alloys.

Until you can produce it physically or through a confirmed photographic record of the object, all you have is anecdotal evidence.

Originally posted by NeonKnight

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

I guess no one responded, because the answer is obvious; media control and stigmatization of UFO/ET. If a government can silence an entire town, silencing media is small fry. You see and hear what they want you to see and hear - illustrated example: Iraq

Obvious? If that was the case, than shutting you and me down on a site like this is taking candy from a baby.

Again, ratings is everything, NOTHING would stop these ravenous reporters if there was a story there.

Sorry, I don't think you or anyone else is ignorant, (like you apparently believe of anyone that does not believe in UFO's and the tooth fairy), but there just ain't no story there Geraldo.

WHO DECIEDS WHAT GETS PRINTED, WHAT GETS BROADCSTED? THE REPORTER OR THE CHIEF EDITOR AND THE EXECUTIVES ABOVE?
�What could you do as a reporter if you found a hot story but your chief editor told you it was not something they would want to focus on?
�Would anyone ever read your story if you editor says no? and if no, then does it matter how many reporters we have or does it matter who owns the media and who they hire to run them?
�Does an editor obey what the chain of command tells him is the focus of the day in their reporting? Do you do what your boss tell you? and what happens if you rebel? ...do you get fired?

�Would anyone of us think it was a good idea if the media was owned by a small group of people?
�Would we feel this was a good way to insure broad reporting, free press?
�Could it ever happen in America that the mass media could be owned by a small group of people?
�Has the media already been bought up over the last 20 years?
www.corporations.org...
�How many of you would believe that the mass media today is only owned by 5 corporations as opposed to about 50 corporations in the mid eighties? Is this compatible with democracy? Who is going to tell us about this...the media?


A society of sheep in time will breed a govenment of wolves...


Sincerly

Cade

Originally posted by Cade

WHO DECIEDS WHAT GETS PRINTED, WHAT GETS BROADCSTED? THE REPORTER OR THE CHIEF EDITOR AND THE EXECUTIVES ABOVE?
�What could you do as a reporter if you found a hot story but your chief editor told you it was not something they would want to focus on?
�Would anyone ever read your story if you editor says no? and if no, then does it matter how many reporters we have or does it matter who owns the media and who they hire to run them?
�Does an editor obey what the chain of command tells him is the focus of the day in their reporting? Do you do what your boss tell you? and what happens if you rebel? ...do you get fired?

�Would anyone of us think it was a good idea if the media was owned by a small group of people?
�Would we feel this was a good way to insure broad reporting, free press?
�Could it ever happen in America that the mass media could be owned by a small group of people?
�Has the media already been bought up over the last 20 years?
www.corporations.org...
�How many of you would believe that the mass media today is only owned by 5 corporations as opposed to about 50 corporations in the mid eighties? Is this compatible with democracy? Who is going to tell us about this...the media?

WHO DECIDES WHAT GETS PRINTED, WHAT GETS BROADCSTED? THE REPORTER OR THE CHIEF EDITOR AND THE EXECUTIVES ABOVE?

According to Jonathan Kolber in:

DEAFENING SILENCE: Media Response to the May 9th Event
The deafening media silence following May 9th's Truth of Disclosure implies an intentional process of failure to explore and reveal the truth...it implies censorship...there is active suppression. This is corroborated by the witness claim of 43 intelligence operatives on major media payrolls.

We live in a controlled society, one in which the control is secretive yet masquerades as openness. Yet, as proven May 9th, this control can be overcome by the concerted efforts of determined groups of persons. We must seek such opportunities again.

Former Director of CIA, Admiral R.H. Hillenkoetter
Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens (Like Frosty) are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts, the Air Force has silenced its personnel.�The New York Times, Sunday, February 28, 1960: �Air Force Order on �Saucers� Cited,� p. L30. See also Disclosure, p. 58.

US Navy Pilot, Lieutenant Frederick Fox
There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept...(from Frosty)

[edit on 27-12-2004 by evilution]

For the Roswell true believers:
www.skeptic.com...

Pulling back to look at the big picture, one must appreciate the slapstick aspect of the story�s basic premise. According to UFO theorists, hyper-intelligent aliens, having crossed light years through the yawning interstellar void with their super-advanced technology, reach the Earth, only to promptly blunder into the desert floor�either once, or several times, or perhaps in a flock like lemmings or beached whales! (Others suggest that two of their ships collided, after cruising safely for umpteen light years!) These inconceivably sophisticated craft, perhaps capable of transcending basic physics, failed to avoid flattening themselves on the state of New Mexico as a result of: very scattered thunderstorms (verified by the actual weather data); confusion caused by our marginal 1947 radar; an inability to evade a primitive 1947 WSMR missile (there was only one there in the time that passed between events and interviews); [30] or, a collision with a balloon! Pulling back to look at the big picture, one must appreciate the slapstick aspect of the story�s basic premise. According to UFO theorists, hyper-intelligent aliens, having crossed light years through the yawning interstellar void with their super-advanced technology, reach the Earth, only to promptly blunder into the desert floor�either once, or several times, or perhaps in a flock like lemmings or beached whales! (Others suggest that two of their ships collided, after cruising safely for umpteen light years!) These inconceivably sophisticated craft, perhaps capable of transcending basic physics, failed to avoid flattening themselves on the state of New Mexico as a result of: very scattered thunderstorms (verified by the actual weather data); confusion caused by our marginal 1947 radar; an inability to evade a primitive 1947 WSMR missile (there was only one there in the time that passed between events and interviews); [30] or, a collision with a balloon!

After 55 years, there still isn�t a shred of evidence that a saucer crash occurred, but there is evidence far beyond a reasonable doubt that a series of regular terrestrial events did. The truth about Roswell is that it was always a marginal case, and for most of its history all interested parties agreed. Although it has been recently, and profitably built into a pop phenomenon, real evidence has only diminished with every investigation�including those by the most respectable UFOlogists. Small towns, enterprising individuals, and (most of all) book publishers and TV producers have kept the Roswell Industry alive, but the real-life foundation for the Roswell legend is now known in detail.

Roswell is the world�s most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim. It�s far past time for UFOlogists to admit it and move on. Those who hope to discover alien life are going to have to look where the aliens are�which is (if anywhere), somewhere else. Perhaps outer space would be a good place to start.

These interstellar traveling aliens crashed in the desert? LOL what a joke!

Yeah...what a joke?

We've had cars for a century, and yet we're still crashing them on a daily basis. Good technology is no protection from Murphy's Law my friend... We've gone from the Wright Brothers to Stealth Planes flying faster than the speed of sound. Guess what? They still crash now and then...

you know its amazing how the government managed to make 100,000`s of people claim they have been abducted.Hmmm... I wonder how government officials managed to dress up in really convincing alien suits,sneak into peoples houses,make as if their being abducted by aliens and putting these people in real convincing alien spaceships.Who would of know the government would have gone to so much effort.

Also its real amazing how government officials managed to convince people from all over the world.Oh yes and how do you explain loss of time?they must have mmmm.... set the clock ahead 2hours,3hours.

We are all intitled to our own opinions here but i most definatly disagree.Read the facts my goodfriend,you will see that the whole belief in E.T`s is toomuch of a big conspiracy to fake.Your looking at billions,possibly trillions used to fake this whole thing just inoredr to convert peoples attention.And then theres the fact of keeping them convinced,and making it so real.

So Neonknight

Are you saying that it is impossible for a spacecraft to crash?

Someone needs to tell NASA

While I will be the first to say there is no proof of the crash saying it has been disproved is just as false. I think any reasonable person would admit that there is a lot of unanswered questions and/or not answered very well. I have seen it "proved", I have seen it "debunked", I have seen the Debunking "Debunked".

The truth IMO is we will never know exactly what happened and I for one would not be happy with ANY explanation after the circle of lies not only from the Government but ALSO people just out to make a buck. Its like the person that lies to you over and over swearing each time that "this" one is the truth.

But to claim that its is impossible merely because ANY alien would be incapable of making a mistake or any UFO would be incapable of crashing is as ridiculous as those that claim it is "Proved" Because someone seen some tinfoil.

but nevertheless i respect your strong belief in your own opinion.It is possible to fake the whole thing wit greys,nordics etc,but i think its much to big evens for the most powerful government in the world to fake.

"Never underestimate the power of denial"

Even a simple line of questions, using logic as the method of asking, can be ignored if that's what it takes to keep oneself in the nice comfortable world view, where all evil is cleansed. It is the mind of a child, in a grownups body.


Sincerly

Cade

So Neonknight

Are you saying that it is impossible for a spacecraft to crash?

Someone needs to tell NASA

Amuk: Did you actually read the quote? Cmon, think about it!

once again, partial quotes from the Skeptic article:

According to UFO theorists, hyper-intelligent aliens, having crossed light years through the yawning interstellar void with their super-advanced technology, reach the Earth, only to promptly blunder into the desert floor�either once, or several times, or perhaps in a flock like lemmings or beached whales! (Others suggest that two of their ships collided, after cruising safely for umpteen light years!) These inconceivably sophisticated craft, perhaps capable of transcending basic physics, failed to avoid flattening themselves on the state of New Mexico as a result of: very scattered thunderstorms (verified by the actual weather data); confusion caused by our marginal 1947 radar; an inability to evade a primitive 1947 WSMR missile (there was only one there in the time that passed between events and interviews); [30] or, a collision with a balloon! Pulling back to look at the big picture, one must appreciate the slapstick aspect of the story�s basic premise.

Here is a super sophisticated alien race, able to cross vast interstellar distances, only to crash in the desert?

(Conviently near an US Air Force base, so a vast Govt/UFO/Alien/Conspiracy/Complex can arise and sell millions of dollars of alien related goodies at your local supermarket checkout counter?)

This is not NASA, this is a race that would have to be far, far more advanced than us. We've only been flying manmade craft for 100 years or so, these aliens would likely have thousands of years of space travel under their collective belts.

So I have several reasons I don't think we've been visited:

1. Backwaters of the Galaxy
   
   (We're hard to find.)
   
   
2. No Radio Signals Found by SETI
   
   (They are not so advanced to avoid a crash in the desert, but they ARE so technologically advanced to hide any hint of radio signals.)
   
   
3. Our Own Signals Have Traveled Only 100 Light Years
   
   (Unless ET lives in the general neighborhood of the Solar System, or he's been here all along. LOL)
   
   
4. Media Would Have Uncovered It
   
   (Ratings people, or does Kang and Kodos' mind-control-rays extend to everyone in charge at Science, National Geographic and Time.)
   
   
5. Any Coverup Would Already Be Exposed
   
   (It is the coverup that eventually becomes exposed. And if the Govt is actually controlling the media, than surely we would never hear ANY negative stories about the Govt. Oh thats right, the general media coverage of the Govt, is everything is just swell: we have the best Govt ever!
   
   

Originally posted by blackSt33L
but nevertheless i respect your strong belief in your own opinion.It is possible to fake the whole thing wit greys,nordics etc,but i think its much to big evens for the most powerful government in the world to fake.

I disagree. I think that with the resources the U.S. Government has at its disposal it's entirely possible to fake. Heck, most of the faking comes from either hoaxers or wrong perception of explanable phenomena, such as light problems in cameras, new types of aircraft, ball lightning, etc...

HOWEVER... this is not to say it's impossible for alien visitations to have happened either.

My overall view is this, the vast majority of UFOs are, in fact, military aircraft, such as stealth jets or new types of X-Planes using human-bred technology that appears amazing to those that are unfamiliar with it. This would explain the secrecy, the media suppression, and the $10,000 fine for military personell talking about UFO encounters. After all, you wouldn't want your black programs to be exposed. It's a lot easier to accomplish this if you can control the flow of information, or at least heavily influence it.

But, as Gazrok has already shown us in this thread about FOIA memos even the U.S. Government has admitted to some sitings that they are unfamiliar with. Does that mean the UFO discs were aliens, or were those discs merely the work of unaffiliated human enterprises? Who knows?...well, obviously they know, but they aren't talking.

So, in essence, there is finally some hardcore proof for unexplainable UFOs, but that is not the same as proof of alien visitation. And the only way we'll ever truly know the truth is to attain a position in intelligence or research high enough to gain access to the unblah'd files. We could wait for the Government to tell us the absolute truth, but honestly, judging from these posts, unless they said something to the effect of "We've been in cahoots with them since the 40's," no one would believe it. So if you really want to learn the truth, go get a few doctorates in everything from aerospace engineering to quantum physics, and work your way up to an ES-5 government research position and hope that, someday, you meet the qualifications to view an eyes-only document on the subject.

[edit on 12/30/2004 by thelibra]

There are currently in he neighborhood of 800 possible signals that SETI has picked up. Sure that doesn't mean definitly that these are alien civilisations, but alot of filtering and study has to be done before anyone can say yea or nay. I do agree that we may be a little off the beaten path, galactically and hard to find but not impossibly hard to find. The possibilty of visitation does exist, but I do concede that it would be rare at this time. But not forever.

Originally posted by NeonKnight

Media Would Have Uncovered It

(Ratings people, or does Kang and Kodos' mind-control-rays extend to everyone in charge at Science, National Geographic and Time.)

This is a special service to you NeonKnight, I'll post it again, there is no time for closed eyes, we are in this together, so let's stand together.

This is a simple line of questions, nothing hard:


WHO DECIEDS WHAT GETS PRINTED, WHAT GETS BROADCSTED? THE REPORTER OR THE CHIEF EDITOR AND THE EXECUTIVES ABOVE?

�What could you do as a reporter if you found a hot story but your chief editor told you it was not something they would want to focus on?

�Would anyone ever read your story if you editor says no? and if no, then does it matter how many reporters we have or does it matter who owns the media and who they hire to run them?

�Does an editor obey what the chain of command tells him is the focus of the day in their reporting? Do you do what your boss tell you? and what happens if you rebel? ...do you get fired?

�Would anyone of us think it was a good idea if the media was owned by a small group of people?

�Would we feel this was a good way to insure broad reporting, free press?

�Could it ever happen in America that the mass media could be owned by a small group of people?

�Has the media already been bought up over the last 20 years?
www.corporations.org...

�How many of you would believe that the mass media today is only owned by 5 corporations as opposed to about 50 corporations in the mid eighties? Is this compatible with democracy? Who is going to tell us about this...the media?

You can stand by your government and you'll be supporting the people when the government is, or you can stand by your country and you'll be supporting the people all the time. Those of us here providing the evidence are concerned and we want to speak up for the free world, we hope you are with us.

A society of sheep in time will breed a govenment of wolves...


Sincerly

Cade

NeonKnight, are you completely ignorant of the fact that both I and Cade have already covered and refuted your media argument.

[edit on 30-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Oh, the media would never expose alien existence, but investigations into Mena Arkansas, Whitewater, Iran-Contra, Oil For Food, and Watergate were all completly premedetative conspiracies that have been or were to some extent exposed by the media?

Originally posted by Frosty
Oh, the media would never expose alien existence, but investigations into Mena Arkansas, Whitewater, Iran-Contra, Oil For Food, and Watergate were all completly premedetative conspiracies that have been or were to some extent exposed by the media?

Unless you are absolutely oblivious of the differences. The above are phenomena made plausible by human nature. While, aliens, is a phenomena that is not recognised as a part of reality. It is in fact recognized as a fairytale. Further, when such conspiracies are exposed they are done by organizations with vested political interests.

What interest would the media have in exposing the aliens, other than a genuine drive to know the truth?

Originally posted by Frosty
Oh, the media would never expose alien existence, but investigations into Mena Arkansas, Whitewater, Iran-Contra, Oil For Food, and Watergate were all completly premedetative conspiracies that have been or were to some extent exposed by the media?

Since you have thoughts to share on the media issue, perhaps you would like to share your opinion on my questions on media function in our society? Look a little earlier in this thread. I would genuinely appreciate your thoughs on the subject. I hope you find the time to look them over.


Sincerly

Cade