Is Marijuana More Addictive Than Alcohol?

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

No it should be legal. Period. End of discussion. You have no business telling me or anyone else that we can't use marijuana (or any other drug for that matter) no matter what the reason.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

I tried to make that point with my first post in this thread. Be prepared to be attacked by the masses.

Yes because debating a point is "attacking" them... *rolls eyes* Not once have I used an ad hominem against you and I've been actively staying civil with you. It would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy.

ETA: Oh and to further my courtesy I am going to let you know right now that I will be going offline shortly and probably won't be back on until tomorrow morning. But by all means please carry through with your sources. I will address them when I return.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

So what you are telling me is that you will post a bunch of sensationalized articles and expect me to backtrack and get the real message (which of course allows you to set up the trap that you were right all along about me dismissing your sources)? Gotcha. Glad we could clear that up.

Why are you so sarcastic? You just told me not to make assumptions, yet you go ahead and do it. This thread is going no where fast. Have fun with your groupies in here and enjoy your weed. I'm not getting off topic again by wasting my time with any of you.

We have you in here being sarcastic and a mod who is more sarcastic than you. It's a joke, this topic anymore.

I said I would prove my points and I will and you continue to be a jerk. So be it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

No it should be legal. Period. End of discussion. You have no business telling me or anyone else that we can't use marijuana (or any other drug for that matter) no matter what the reason.

I gotta draw the line at that one. There are substances out there, yes natural ones too, that shouldn't be on a legal market. Weed isn't one of them.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

No it should be legal. Period. End of discussion. You have no business telling me or anyone else that we can't use marijuana (or any other drug for that matter) no matter what the reason.

I gotta draw the line at that one. There are substances out there, yes natural ones too, that shouldn't be on a legal market. Weed isn't one of them.

Which ones? Hemlock? I am against any drug being illegal. Legalize and regulate, even the hardcore ones like heroin or coc aine. Prohibition is always a mistake.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

I tried to make that point with my first post in this thread. Be prepared to be attacked by the masses.

Yes because debating a point is "attacking" them... *rolls eyes* Not once have I used an ad hominem against you and I've been actively staying civil with you. It would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy.

ETA: Oh and to further my courtesy I am going to let you know right now that I will be going offline shortly and probably won't be back on until tomorrow morning. But by all means please carry through with your sources. I will address them when I return.

You can do as you please, I'm not the government controlling you. I'm sure you will, and I'm sure you'll have some sort of condescending, sarcastic remark as well. I'll take my time so don't hurry back.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not going there as it would be off topic and against the T&C. Let's just say that I've done extensive "research" and there's stuff out there that just shouldn't be. It is and that's fine BUT don't legitimize it. Weed should be, many others...no frickin way.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

Ignored by who, the multiple sources that confirmed that THC alters your brain until you need marijuana to feel right again because your brain stops making the correct chemicals to let you function?

Darn, How do I unstar you? I starred you by accident!

I disagree with you 100%. All scientific evidence points towards it being safe.

originally posted by: AmenStop

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

Ignored by who, the multiple sources that confirmed that THC alters your brain until you need marijuana to feel right again because your brain stops making the correct chemicals to let you function?

Darn, How do I unstar you? I starred you by accident!

I disagree with you 100%. All scientific evidence points towards it being safe.

You can't unstar, I've done the same thing in the past. It happens. Anyhow "All scientific evidence"? Wow, you're quite sure of yourself aren't you?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

No it should be legal. Period. End of discussion. You have no business telling me or anyone else that we can't use marijuana (or any other drug for that matter) no matter what the reason.

I gotta draw the line at that one. There are substances out there, yes natural ones too, that shouldn't be on a legal market. Weed isn't one of them.

Which ones? Hemlock? I am against any drug being illegal. Legalize and regulate, even the hardcore ones like heroin or coc aine. Prohibition is always a mistake.

Can I ask your plans for regulating every known drug? I'm really curious, no bs. I would like to know how this can be done.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

No it should be legal. Period. End of discussion. You have no business telling me or anyone else that we can't use marijuana (or any other drug for that matter) no matter what the reason.

Yeah but there's an aside to that. You can use pot, yes. But then stay the heck away from me so I don't have to deal with you.

Just editing to add that I don't want drunks around me either, and we have public intoxication laws. Stoners are a bit more mellow and harder to see until you have to deal with them on a personal level. I wouldn't want someone high at work or at school or in a business meeting or in one of my classes, or working in the restaraunt I'm eating at etc etc etc.

originally posted by: amazing
Yeah but there's an aside to that. You can use pot, yes. But then stay the heck away from me so I don't have to deal with you.

Just editing to add that I don't want drunks around me either, and we have public intoxication laws. Stoners are a bit more mellow and harder to see until you have to deal with them on a personal level. I wouldn't want someone high at work or at school or in a business meeting or in one of my classes, or working in the restaraunt I'm eating at etc etc etc.

Your location says "Vegas". Do you live there? If so I just find this ironic. I mean Vegas is just behind NOLA for party capital of the States, right? Which doesn't address the addictiveness that we are discussing. Just interesting.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The one thing that I find interesting, and I want to thank you for that link to the chronological history of you know what, again the thing that struck me in this history, was the regularity with which the ones in power wanted the people not to take this drug. What could we learn from that?

My interpretation is that the use of this drug causes a causal relationship slip, and the people not thinking right, or more seriously, are less easily motivated. Again, what can we learn from this?

As to addiction, more like an adjunct.

Alcohol? I think we all know that does.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: amazing
Yeah but there's an aside to that. You can use pot, yes. But then stay the heck away from me so I don't have to deal with you.

Just editing to add that I don't want drunks around me either, and we have public intoxication laws. Stoners are a bit more mellow and harder to see until you have to deal with them on a personal level. I wouldn't want someone high at work or at school or in a business meeting or in one of my classes, or working in the restaraunt I'm eating at etc etc etc.

Your location says "Vegas". Do you live there? If so I just find this ironic. I mean Vegas is just behind NOLA for party capital of the States, right? Which doesn't address the addictiveness that we are discussing. Just interesting.

Yeah but here's an interesting fact about Vegas. We don't actually live in Casino's...they make houses and apartments for us here. Hard to believe. Even harder to believe, we don't live on the Strip or on Freemont street. There are actually residential neighborhoods with schools and grocery stores and parks. We have colleges here and libraries. LOL

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Absolutely not.

Having known some people who have smoked pot. (uhem!) They tell me that alchohol is far worse as a drug, and is ultimately more dangerous for the person drinking, and those around them. Who cares if pot was more addictive, its better for the person and for those around them. Alcohol makes people dangerous and angry, they drink and drive and murder people sometimes under its influence. Pot actually makes people more peaceful. The only thing that makes pot bad, is that it attracts stinking hippies, who try to be more profound and intelligent than they really are, and make one want to drink. Other than hippies, I see nothing wrong with smoking pot and am actually quite confounded as to why Alcohol is legal and pot is so demonized. It makes no sense at all....but then, government has never made any sense because it is run by psychopathic serial killers who wear suits and kiss your baby at elections, when they would rather eat them.

a reply to: amazing

Bwahahahahaha............ like us living in igloos up here. My point is that Vegas IS a pretty good definition of a party town. Canada's pretty cool though.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The word "addiction" has become far too broad and is actually misused constantly. Addiction means physical dependence with observable withdrawal upon stopping. This simply does NOT happen with pot. You might miss it, wish you had some, but you will suffer NO adverse effects from stopping chronic use. This is VERY unlike alcohol where you can actually die from withdrawal.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
they started putting caffeine in coca cola even though caffeine can be dangerously addictive...and has also killed more people than marijuana. because it makes coke sell. marijuana being put through the red tape has nothing to do with its health effects. it is all economy and business.

What do you mean? They have always put Caffeine in Coke-Cola.

Bad thing is they took out the Cocaine.

No I don't do coke or MJ, I prefer Pepsi and weed is not addicting, only to a weak or broken mind.

For the most part it just gets down to the fact, people in general, are weak minded, like sheep, they are so stupid they will believe what ever anyone tells them.

I think it should all be legal, you think it's not already?, for the rich or powerful, it sure is. The world is a lie.

There are good people, but you have to have faith, all stand before the Truth, a persons who's mind is in turmoil, because they are a false thing and have little or no faith.

Addicted to what, all I need do is over come my addiction to breathing and all of my problems are solved.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

im with you all the way on this.

there are some transformers out there that would probably would mellow out a bit had they had any earthly experience with the evil plant

ya know