Is Marijuana More Addictive Than Alcohol?

Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

I'm a Libertarian. I've never made that a secret and I've said it many times throughout my tenure here on ATS. All you'd need to do is read my post history to figure that out.

Though I still want to see some data that ISN'T the government that confirms your point of increasing addiction rates among teenagers and habitual users. Graphs AREN'T evidence without the supporting study. So don't use that cop out.

I'm not coping out, I never do. I will provide you evidence, as stated in my previous post. But, I'm sure you'll ignore that as well.

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
they started putting caffeine in coca cola even though caffeine can be dangerously addictive...and has also killed more people than marijuana. because it makes coke sell. marijuana being put through the red tape has nothing to do with its health effects. it is all economy and business.

^^^ nail on the head.
Any negative health effects are miniscule compared to benefits.
I would personally say alcohol is much more addictive, although any substance that alters your mood could technically be addictive to the right person.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Yes it is an awful point. In any case, explain to me why you or anyone else should have a say in what I put into my body. Regardless of health risks, where do you get off telling others that it's not ok to ingest a plant or are you just a fan of totalitarian tactics?

You haven't heard? Plants are bad. PHARMACEUTICALS ARE GOOD.

Who is saying anything about pharmaceuticals? You're a mod and you're derailing a thread, after we all have been warned. Says a lot about you.

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Yes because graphs are TOTALLY evidence of something being true. How do you know these graphs littering the internet aren't all derived from the same biased source?

Though for s#s and giggles, let's run with it. If marijuana is more addictive for teenagers, then wouldn't it make sense to legalize it? As of now, with drug dealers, there is no quality control or regulations restricting the sellers. You could be five years old and if you walk up to a drug dealer, stick some cash in his hand, he'll give you a bag of weed. If it were legal and sold in stores, there would be legal repercussions for honoring that transaction.

Yes, they do. It's proven science, by doctors. I'm not quoting every source right now, I don't feel like it. But I will later when I'm in front of my workstation and not my laptop. I bet you'll come back with "Well, these doctors don't know squat" or something of the like.

I really don't like when people decide my reactions for me then use that as a reason not to post sources. There is a word for that. Now what was it...? Hmmm... Oh yeah! Strawman.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

Make sure they are STUDIES and not some article written by some bureaucrat in a federal office somewhere.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

Ignored by who, the multiple sources that confirmed that THC alters your brain until you need marijuana to feel right again because your brain stops making the correct chemicals to let you function?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Yes because graphs are TOTALLY evidence of something being true. How do you know these graphs littering the internet aren't all derived from the same biased source?

Though for s#s and giggles, let's run with it. If marijuana is more addictive for teenagers, then wouldn't it make sense to legalize it? As of now, with drug dealers, there is no quality control or regulations restricting the sellers. You could be five years old and if you walk up to a drug dealer, stick some cash in his hand, he'll give you a bag of weed. If it were legal and sold in stores, there would be legal repercussions for honoring that transaction.

Yes, they do. It's proven science, by doctors. I'm not quoting every source right now, I don't feel like it. But I will later when I'm in front of my workstation and not my laptop. I bet you'll come back with "Well, these doctors don't know squat" or something of the like.

I really don't like when people decide my reactions for me then use that as a reason not to post sources. There is a word for that. Now what was it...? Hmmm... Oh yeah! Strawman.

Far from strawman. I like to lay out my information in a viable way where I can utilizes all of my sources and the correct environment, not sitting at my shore house watching tv. Like I said, when I get around to it, I will provide you with the sources and all the information needed to solidify my argument. I'll use the sources I see fit, I can't read government hating mind as to what sources I can and can't use. Every source I use will be stated.

i perform mentally and physically better on weed

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

Ignored by who...

You.

the multiple sources that confirmed that THC alters your brain until you need marijuana to feel right again because your brain stops making the correct chemicals to let you function?

No. What is so difficult to grasp between "addictive" and "habit forming"?

Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

a reply to: OptimusCrime

Well then don't make assumptions about what I will and won't accept. You've barely talked to me about this subject and I've only dismissed one of your sources, that is not indicative of a pattern. I will tell you flat out though, that you better only post scientific studies (primary sources). Articles or government websites are secondary sources and tend to sensationalize the findings. So start there. If you do post articles or government websites, I will backtrack their sources to the primary source and see what they are ACTUALLY saying.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: OptimusCrime

originally posted by: intrepid
Are you under the belief if you say something it becomes automatically true?

originally posted by: OptimusCrime
Now you're grasping at straws. It's more accessible for everyone if it's legal and it won't stop a teenager to get their hands on it.

That's a fact.

If anything, it will make it easier.

Hardly. Go anywhere booze is sold and see how easy it is for kids to get booze. Not so easy from legal avenues.

Whether it's legal or not, it alters your chemicals in your brain and can be addictive, correct?

No. It's been shown to your NUMEROUS times that it isn't addictive BUT can be habit forming. Intentional obtuseness isn't going to change these FACTS!

It's addictive, that's already been established.

Only in some people's state of unreal reality. The facts have been IGNORED.

Ignored by who...

You.

the multiple sources that confirmed that THC alters your brain until you need marijuana to feel right again because your brain stops making the correct chemicals to let you function?

No. What is so difficult to grasp between "addictive" and "habit forming"?

It's addictive. Sorry to tell you.

Marijuana Addiction

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Marijuana Addicts

It is the nature of addiction that addicts don't believe they are ill. Marijuana addicts, in particular, tend to believe that they must be “OK” since there are much worse drugs, and other people whose lives are much worse off as a result of their using. That is denial.

Sounds a lot like some people in here.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Well then don't make assumptions about what I will and won't accept. You've barely talked to me about this subject and I've only dismissed one of your sources, that is not indicative of a pattern. I will tell you flat out though, that you better only post scientific studies (primary sources). Articles or government websites are secondary sources and tend to sensationalize the findings. So start there. If you do post articles or government websites, I will backtrack their sources to the primary source and see what they are ACTUALLY saying.

You're not my professor. I'm going to prove to you that everything about the numbers I have posted are correct. It's up to you to source check if you like. I may even call my specialist at UPENN to confirm what I will write. I'm fed up with this back and forth with you.

originally posted by: amazing
Again pot should be legal and readily available to those who are sick and need it. It's that simple. The side effect is dealing with more stoners. I don't know one pot head who's not the stereotype. They all claim not to be but they don't see themselves as others' do. Just remember..."Just because something is Legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do."

I tried to make that point with my first post in this thread. Be prepared to be attacked by the masses.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

Your links are an addiction center, who's purpose is to make money off of addiction, and an advocacy site like NA? Bwahahahahaha.... Next you'll tell me that the Oil lobby thinks that renewable energy sources are bad.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: OptimusCrime

Your links are an addiction center, who's purpose is to make money off of addiction, and an advocacy site like NA? Bwahahahahaha.... Next you'll tell me that the Oil lobby thinks that renewable energy sources are bad.

Of course they're addiction centers. I have no other way of getting through to any of you at this point other than posting addiction centers.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

So what you are telling me is that you will post a bunch of sensationalized articles and expect me to backtrack and get the real message (which of course allows you to set up the trap that you were right all along about me dismissing your sources)? Gotcha. Glad we could clear that up.