Pennsylvania mother who gave daughter abortion pill gets prison

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Annee

Yes, seriously I would think so.

74 miles away isn't anything! Wait days for a pill to arrive or drive an hour away.

Speak for yourself.

I know you are extreme on this topic, . . .

Extreme?

I had a spontaneous 4th month abortion at age 21.

2 living children, daughters, followed.

Then I chose to abort my 4th pregnancy because I was going through a divorce. He was jealous of his own children. When a 4 year old says "How come daddy hates me". It is not right or the time to give him another child.

Did I mention my daughters emergency cerclage and my grandson's 7th month birth at 3 pounds?

Did I mention health issues? I was seasick for 6 years. Something was causing fluid buildup on my equilibrium, and doctors couldn't figure out the cause.

Extreme? Try knowledgeable.

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Please provide your personal experiences in this matter.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I don't doubt that religious right causes some problems, buy the right to choose will never be eliminated. Half of the clinics are closed due to safety and health issues, not politics.

According to The American Medical Association and American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists your argument is completely untrue. Judges, from state to state, have overruled these new laws, requiring admitting privileges and changing architectural requirements, time and time again, as unconstitutional.

Politicians and lobbyist have admitted that the goal is to end access to abortion. Concern for these women's health doesn't even enter the picture anymore.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

They can take the drugs at home if, after a good history and physical it is determined safe and they have follow up care to make sure there is no complications.

And this is why Pennsylvania law is so draconian, and causing otherwise conscientious mothers to become criminals.

You have no idea if the girl was or was not seeing her family doctor, who diagnosed her pregnancy, and would have been unable to prescribe the abortion, under Pennsylvania law. It's like you're just assuming the girl peed on a stick and her mom ordered random abortion pills from some internet veterinarian in China!

Giving your kid a drug that you bought over the internet with zero knowledge and training and then taking her to the ER when things get "ugly" is nowhere near the definition of "uber responsible." That's the very definition of "moronic."

Things never got ugly. The mother did more than make sure that her daughters needs were taken care of. Even if she had gone to the clinic 75 miles away, IF things DID get ugly, she still would have wound up in the same ER. I fail to see your (overblown) issue here.

This case is an example why it's more important for there to be easy and affordable access to Planned Parenthood and women's clinics, instead of this push to make access as convoluted, complicated and expensive as possible and to shut them down altogether.

The more the religious right pushes to close clinics, the more we'll see acts of desperation, putting young women's lives at risk.

And you ASSUME that this was all due to some Republicab conspiracy and not that the mom was an irrisponsible idiot, which, given her actions, is much, much, much more likely.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I don't doubt that religious right causes some problems, buy the right to choose will never be eliminated. Half of the clinics are closed due to safety and health issues, not politics.

According to The American Medical Association and American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists your argument is completely untrue. Judges, from state to state, have overruled these new laws, requiring admitting privileges and changing architectural requirements, time and time again, as unconstitutional.

Politicians and lobbyist have admitted that the goal is to end access to abortion. Concern for these women's health doesn't even enter the picture anymore.

Groups who resist more stringent standards because it reduces profits.

I find it amusing that to the left, Docs are just evil money grubbers who are in the pockets of big pharma--EXCEPT when it comes to abortion, then they are selfless altruists with only the best interests of the patient at heart.

news flash !

The continuing resolution that the House Appropriations Committee introduced yesterday and that the House Republican leadership is preparing to bring up for a vote on the House floor puts no limits on funding Planned Parenthood—the nation’s largest abortion provider—or any provision of Obamacare, including the regulations that force Christian individuals and organizations to buy or provide health insurance that covers abortion-inducing drugs.

House Republicans’ CR Funds Planned Parenthood and All Obamacare

a reply to: xuenchen

NEWSFLASH! "Obamacare" never has required anyone to buy or pay for abortions.

a reply to: Annee

Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

a reply to: NavyDoc


I find it amusing that a when "The American Medical Association" and "American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists" don't support your argument for the closing of abortion clinics, then they're just evil money grubbers who are in the pockets of big pharma.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If we are talking about RU486, it does require a prescription.

I stand corrected. Sorry about that.

I just realized how ridiculous it is that I've been arguing a women's issue with a bunch of men, who don't hold the MEN responsible for the pregnancy at all. EVERY pregnancy requires a man and he's not even a part of this dialog. The women involved are stupid, irresponsible, lazy, etc. But the men aren't even mentioned.

What a waste of time and energy.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

Spontaneous abortion. Look it up! Ignorance!

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Annee

Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

YOUR belief.

Not mine.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Annee

Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

I'm not a "fan" of abortion myself, but don't you think your statement is pretty harsh and out of line? We do not know the circumstances of her situation and I don't believe that sort of talk adds anything to the discussion.

just sayin......

ETA: A spontaneous abortion is also called a miscarriage.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Annee

Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

"Unborn child" is an oxymoron. A fertilized egg or a brainless embryo do not qualify for the definition of "child" or "children", they are "potential children".

Chanting, over and over "Abortion murders unborn children" isn't going to change the fact that people are bestowed rights only after they're born. The unborn have no right to life, and ending their existence through abortion isn't murder.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Masterjaden
Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide to murder your unborn child???

Jaden

Spontaneous abortion. Look it up! Ignorance!

Really hate to jump in here, but I've had both spontaneous and elective.

However, I continue my stand of ALL Living children need to be taken care of.

I do not ever support -- letting a pregnancy come to term -- just to prove something.

Well we know why you think how you do, my question, why did you decide

I think with that one answer we all know exactly why this is still an issue now!

Instead of going on one of my gasket blowing long winded T&C violating rants right now, I am simply going to leave.
For those of you that don't want to live in a world like this, with this, please take notice!

Spread the word, raise awareness, fight!!!

a reply to: windword

As soon as it becomes viable outside the womb, what then???

Jaden

I don't have a problem with it, lots of people would be better off dead.. I just think the double standard needs to go away.
No child support for a mother when the father chooses not to have the baby but the mother does... It's not murder if an unborn child dies regardless of whom decides to end the pregnancy, so on and so forth..

I'm tired of double standards in society...

a reply to: AnteBellum

Good for you...

Very disciplined of you...

I wouldn't want you to get upset about people deciding to murder their unborn babies being called out as such...

Again, I just want the idiotic double standard to go away... It's either murder or it's not, who decides to murder an unborn baby is neither here nor there and if a mother has the choice, then so should the father...

If he has as much or more of the responsibility for the care of the child if it's born, then he should have as much say as the mother as to whether it's born or not.

Jaden

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: NavyDoc
If we are talking about RU486, it does require a prescription.

I stand corrected. Sorry about that.

I just realized how ridiculous it is that I've been arguing a women's issue with a bunch of men, who don't hold the MEN responsible for the pregnancy at all. EVERY pregnancy requires a man and he's not even a part of this dialog. The women involved are stupid, irresponsible, lazy, etc. But the men aren't even mentioned.

What a waste of time and energy.

Buts that's not true. If a man wants the baby, he has no choice. If he does not want the baby, he has no choice. It's not his body after all. However, even if he did not want the child, he is held responsable for child support for the better part of two decades. He is held responsable without even a choice in the matter.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

No it's not...maybe medically, but not as the common vernacular of the term "abortion" is used. If you mean miscarriage requiring manual evacuation, then say so...

There is a difference.

One requires a choice, the other doesn't.

Jaden

originally posted by: Ironclad2000

Tell you what..

Since you are so against women having the right to "not be pregnant" and seem to want women to be forced to have unwanted children..

On the contrary, I'm all for a woman's right to "not be pregnant". There are ways of making sure you don't get pregnant, including but not limited to the unheard of and inhuman (lol) practice of abstinence.

Why don't you volunteer to raise all those unwanted children...

I'm actually about to purchase an old private school in Mississippi and turn it into an orphanage.

Good enough for ya... didn't think so.

Any of your business... nope.